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Post by yeah rip on Feb 12, 2018 21:07:43 GMT
I remembered that they had NOOOOO IDEA what was actually going on with Morrigan, Flemmeth, Old God Baby, and really anything else that was going to happen in the series when they were making The Witch Hunt DLC. It's so charmingly vague and incorrect. Really? I could have sworn that some dev once said that the whole Flemeth thing was planned from the start.
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 12, 2018 21:42:48 GMT
Really? I could have sworn that some dev once said that the whole Flemeth thing was planned from the start. I've found a lot of writers like to say "oh yeah I planned this all along" when there's not exactly a way to prove them wrong. But just the fact that Flemeth went from "ragged peasant crone in a hut" to "anime-haired warlordess" between DAO and DA2 seems to imply pretty strongly otherwise, to me (as does the aforementioned vagaries about her). I think a lot of the setting was decided on during the production of DA2, but in Origins, it was just tossing a bunch of fantasy tropes against the wall for the sake of a classic tale, with no real plan for them.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 12, 2018 22:25:27 GMT
Really? I could have sworn that some dev once said that the whole Flemeth thing was planned from the start. I've found a lot of writers like to say "oh yeah I planned this all along" when there's not exactly a way to prove them wrong. But just the fact that Flemeth went from "ragged peasant crone in a hut" to "anime-haired warlordess" between DAO and DA2 seems to imply pretty strongly otherwise, to me (as does the aforementioned vagaries about her). I think a lot of the setting was decided on during the production of DA2, but in Origins, it was just tossing a bunch of fantasy tropes against the wall for the sake of a classic tale, with no real plan for them. She had a plan, even in Origins. And she was a dragon, you remember, who didn't really died, when the Warden "killed"... Everyone knew, she's not just a weird old woman without any purpose. Her idea was to save the Old God soul.
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Post by yeah rip on Feb 12, 2018 22:38:41 GMT
Really? I could have sworn that some dev once said that the whole Flemeth thing was planned from the start. I've found a lot of writers like to say "oh yeah I planned this all along" when there's not exactly a way to prove them wrong. But just the fact that Flemeth went from "ragged peasant crone in a hut" to "anime-haired warlordess" between DAO and DA2 seems to imply pretty strongly otherwise, to me (as does the aforementioned vagaries about her). I think a lot of the setting was decided on during the production of DA2, but in Origins, it was just tossing a bunch of fantasy tropes against the wall for the sake of a classic tale, with no real plan for them. I think it had more to do with the whole change in art style. It was always clear that Flemeth had some kind of bigger agenda. And even in DAO there were hints that there's more to the ancient elves than the Dalish believed. I have to replay the Elven temple section in the Brecillian, but I distinctly remember there being something about the ancient elves that fit into the revelations in DAI. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 12, 2018 23:01:19 GMT
I've found a lot of writers like to say "oh yeah I planned this all along" when there's not exactly a way to prove them wrong. But just the fact that Flemeth went from "ragged peasant crone in a hut" to "anime-haired warlordess" between DAO and DA2 seems to imply pretty strongly otherwise, to me (as does the aforementioned vagaries about her). I think a lot of the setting was decided on during the production of DA2, but in Origins, it was just tossing a bunch of fantasy tropes against the wall for the sake of a classic tale, with no real plan for them. I think it had more to do with the whole change in art style. It was always clear that Flemeth had some kind of bigger agenda. And even in DAO there were hints that there's more to the ancient elves than the Dalish believed. I have to replay the Elven temple section in the Brecillian, but I distinctly remember there being something about the ancient elves that fit into the revelations in DAI. Maybe I'm wrong though. There are some really interesting comments - when a Dalish Warden stumbles upon the eluvian with Tamlen, one of you will mention that the ruins are human (iirc specifically Tevinter?) but the writing is elvish. And if you take Sten to the Brecilian Forest, he notes that the Tevinters "were here, too? No wonder." And there's that Fen'Harel statue in the Dalish camp... I definitely think they always had plans for Flemeth. The story Morrigan tells you about her being a human woman, out for vengeance, possessed by an ancient spirit.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 12, 2018 23:09:41 GMT
I think it had more to do with the whole change in art style. It was always clear that Flemeth had some kind of bigger agenda. And even in DAO there were hints that there's more to the ancient elves than the Dalish believed. I have to replay the Elven temple section in the Brecillian, but I distinctly remember there being something about the ancient elves that fit into the revelations in DAI. Maybe I'm wrong though. There are some really interesting comments - when a Dalish Warden stumbles upon the eluvian with Tamlen, one of you will mention that the ruins are human (iirc specifically Tevinter?) but the writing is elvish. And if you take Sten to the Brecilian Forest, he notes that the Tevinters "were here, too? No wonder." And there's that Fen'Harel statue in the Dalish camp... I definitely think they always had plans for Flemeth. The story Morrigan tells you about her being a human woman, out for vengeance, possessed by an ancient spirit.Morrigan said, if I remember correctly, that at first, she thought Flemeth is a simple abomination... but she more than this.
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Post by TheodoricFriede on Feb 12, 2018 23:39:17 GMT
Really? I could have sworn that some dev once said that the whole Flemeth thing was planned from the start. Well, I'm fully inclined to believe that Femeth was always intended to be the vessel for Mythal. I just dont think they ever really had an ultimate plan for her. Witch Hunt sells a promise of her up to something big, and horrible, and a grand change. Ultimately all she did was save Hawke, and gently take back the Old Gods soul.
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Post by yeah rip on Feb 12, 2018 23:42:58 GMT
Replayed that temple section and here's what I found. You get this "conversation" when unlocking the Arcane Warrior spec. That destruction could be the Veil. Also off-topic, but this one of the reasons why DAO was a superior game in every way (jk). no but really
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 13, 2018 0:32:43 GMT
Replayed that temple section and here's what I found. You get this "conversation" when unlocking the Arcane Warrior spec. That destruction could be the Veil. Also off-topic, but this one of the reasons why DAO was a superior game in every way (jk). no but reallyOoooh! "Elves and humans both screaming and attempting to flee from some terrible presence." That's... significant. Thanks for these screenies. Might even be something to bring up in one of the lore threads.
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Post by olnorton on Feb 13, 2018 0:38:38 GMT
Somethings I just don't notice (again, usually the nose - which is probably why it gives me the most trouble) until the character turns their head just so in a cutscene. A couple of things. Do you know you can hold down the scroll wheel and drag, to view your head morph in the toolset from different angles? Also, sometimes with noses, and sometimes with eyes, the character creator will show a different nose or eyes than the one in your .mop file. Although the one you created will be there if you move the nose or eye slider. But lets assume the warden appears exactly as he/she looks in the toolset, but in the harsh Ferelden daylight your nose is just a little too long. You open the .mrh file you used to create your warden and shorten the nose. Then instead of exporting as a .mop you set "Export.mop file" to false, and export a .mor. Whenever I start a new game, I make a quick save. Then go into the ...Dragon Age\tools folder and click on GffEditor.exe Open File >Browse to your savegame.das Expand SAVEGAME_PLAYERCHAR and then expand SAVEGAME_PLAYERCHAR_CHAR and then scroll down and expand SAVEGAME_APPEARANCE. Then click on SAVEGAME_APPEARANCE_MORPH_NAME and write in the name of you .mor (in this case df_cps_p03.mor) Save the file. You won't need to edit you saved game again, from then on, any changes your make to the .mor will show in the game. * One proviso, if you enter the fade, your fade morphs will be distorted, so if you don't "skip the fade" you will need to remove the morph name from your saved game before you enter the fade, and put in back afterwards. While in the fade, you will look like your original character.
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 13, 2018 1:52:59 GMT
I got inspired by the topic vertigomez made here to rethink my approach to "canon". And so, after waffling around on Origins for the last several days, I think I'm going to start a trilogy run, with a whole new canon decided a whole new way: at random! I weighted the odds a bit to sort of fit some of the more "likely" options (like a Qunari guard being the one to catch the Elder One in the act), and then rolled the dice, and the Maker/Stone/Dumat/Elgar'nan chose: A female Rogue City Elf, a male Warrior Hawke, and a female Circle Mage! What will become of a world in which I don't decide the story in advance? (For that matter, will it collapse into nothingness fueled by my altitis? Hopefully not!)
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Post by Sokemis on Feb 13, 2018 2:22:34 GMT
What will become of a world in which I don't decide the story in advance? (For that matter, will it collapse into nothingness fueled by my altitis? Hopefully not!) Well to be fair, Kirkwall kinda collapses regardless. So at least that one won't be on you, lol (And rogue, female, City Elf )
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 13, 2018 2:36:06 GMT
(And rogue, female, City Elf ) Yeah, I totally lucked out with that one, since it was my first, and still one of my favorites (and the referenced topic even showed me that my preferred romance for it isn't quite as inconsistent as I thought).
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Post by olnorton on Feb 13, 2018 3:07:39 GMT
So Wynne was tired, showing her age, and getting grumpy. I said, don't be bashful, if your feeling sleepy, just say so, I'm happy to rest for a bit. (Truth be told, I was a little weary myself.) Next we were off to Orzammar to show Leliana the grand halls, but she was more interested in the nugs. CHAPTER 4: The Deep Roads. We were joined by Oghren, a warrior caste with a war cry so powerful, the darkspawn full down drunk.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 13, 2018 3:12:17 GMT
I got inspired by the topic vertigomez made here to rethink my approach to "canon". And so, after waffling around on Origins for the last several days, I think I'm going to start a trilogy run, with a whole new canon decided a whole new way: at random! I weighted the odds a bit to sort of fit some of the more "likely" options (like a Qunari guard being the one to catch the Elder One in the act), and then rolled the dice, and the Maker/Stone/Dumat/Elgar'nan chose: A female Rogue City Elf, a male Warrior Hawke, and a female Circle Mage! What will become of a world in which I don't decide the story in advance? (For that matter, will it collapse into nothingness fueled by my altitis? Hopefully not!) Woohoo! As fans it's easy to overthink this stuff, so sometimes the best thing you can do is throw caution to the wind and just see what happens. You never know what kind of world state you could wind up enjoying. Keep us posted if you feel like it, I'm curious to see how this turns out.
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Post by House Targaryen on Feb 13, 2018 5:24:38 GMT
Took care of the Red Templars in Sahrnia Quarry, freed the slaves and captured Suledin Keep. Joy
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 13, 2018 5:25:18 GMT
Okay, so phase 1, it's time for Kallian Tabris! Kallian is a proud Elf. The world wants nothing more than to keep her people down, but they live, they love, and in their own small ways, they fight. Of course, sometimes it's the fighters who get hammered back down. Her mother, Adaia was one of such fighters ( personal headcanon: Adaia was, in fact, one of the individuals who took the moniker of Red Jenny), and the humans tortured and killed her for it, something Kallian will never forgive. A part of her knows that not all humans are like that. Some of them even struggle as much as the Elves do. However, all she sees are those who look down on her, call her knife-ear, and use her family and friends as they see fit, so the tolerant part finds itself quickly drowned out. She's also the type to engage with her mouth first and her brain second, which, remarkably, gets her into less trouble than it probably should, since her mouth's pretty clever too. Of course, her sass-first policy maybe kept her from murdering the Arl in the middle of the Alienage streets, though it also maybe didn't stop her from accidentally telling off her betrothed. He didn't really deserve it, but she's got no real interest in men, and an arranged marriage only makes that more awkward. Not being one to just up and abandon her family over it, especially after her father used what little money he had to pay a dowry for the whole thing, though, she'll just have to hope he understands, for now. And also hope he doesn't mind finding daggers in things that have displeased her.
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 13, 2018 6:10:12 GMT
Had time for a little more. First the arl's son showed up, then Kallian managed to tick off her betrothed, and just when it seemed things couldn't get worse, an armed human showed up. It's probably a good thing the elder didn't let her take her frustrations out on him, though. As humans go, he actually doesn't seem like such a bad guy, and he was a friend of her mother's at that. He's got good character references, at least. He still wouldn't give her any straight answers, though, so lucky she doesn't have any daggers with her at the moment. She wouldn't want to make a bad impression, after all. Joining the Grey Wardens would let her protect her people and she wouldn't have to get married, either! Maybe it's something she should consider... ...okay, not like this. She didn't want the wedding, but she sure as hell didn't want it stopped like this. Soris? Need daggers now. Soris? ...shit. The humans kidnapped her, that's bad enough. They kidnapped Shianni, too, it's murder time. They killed an innocent woman who was begging for her life, okay, forget it, this is not getting any worse, it's time to murder everyone in here. Luckily, Soris brought her daggers. That makes it easier. Hands take too long, and Kallian has a lot of people to kill right now. And Nelaros, even after such a bad first impression, still fought for her in the others. He even died for them. She may not much have wanted to marry him, but she can't help but think she would've liked to know him despite that. It seems like they could've been friends. Kallian took the wedding ring he was still carrying, and put it on her finger. Even if she won't be committing her life to his, she'll commit her life to standing up for the same ideals that brought him here.
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Post by yeah rip on Feb 13, 2018 13:09:06 GMT
I got so fascinated with that dice idea that I had to try it. Rolled for Origins and got male dwarf noble rogue - my absolutely least favourite setup (aside from the class but I'm still playing as a rogue with my other character). Rolled for 2 - a warrior, my least favourite class in 2. Inquisition - male Qunari which is great, but mage... For a moment I thought about rerolling until I got the setup I could tolerate but then I realized that it would kind of defeat the whole purpose (I'm slow in the mornings). So basically, I dropped the idea. I'm so bad at this lol. I really feel like doing a male Qunari one day though, but I'm having a bad case of DAI fatigue right now. Just a thought of going through Hinterlands and Storm Coast and (ugh) Western Approach again makes me exhausted. And there's no real Harding romance to help me through I guess I'll just drag my boring ass back to Origins and romance Alistair with my female elf for a millionth time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 13, 2018 13:35:58 GMT
I got so fascinated with that dice idea that I had to try it. Rolled for Origins and got male dwarf noble rogue - my absolutely least favourite setup (aside from the class but I'm still playing as a rogue with my other character). Rolled for 2 - a warrior, my least favourite class in 2. Inquisition - male Qunari which is great, but mage... For a moment I thought about rerolling until I got the setup I could tolerate but then I realized that it would kind of defeat the whole purpose (I'm slow in the mornings). So basically, I dropped the idea. I'm so bad at this lol. I really feel like doing a male Qunari one day though, but I'm having a bad case of DAI fatigue right now. Just a thought of going through Hinterlands and Storm Coast and (ugh) Western Approach again makes me exhausted. And there's no real Harding romance to help me through I guess I'll just drag my boring ass back to Origins and romance Alistair with my female elf for a millionth time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Aside from warrior Hawke, I would've been psyched with that outcome. Different strokes! Rolling dice for character creation does sound like a fun idea, though. Hell, I'd let their appearance and personality be decided by chance too! Guess I know what I'm doing next...
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Post by Liadan on Feb 14, 2018 0:01:28 GMT
Finished my Baldur`s Gate playthrough and returned to my Maeve Brosca adventures. Had an encounter with a merchant that gave her a control rod for a golem. The catch was that the golem were in a village overrun by darkspawn. Fought the darkspawn and found the golem only to find out that the phrase to activate it didn`t work. Killed more darkspawn, helped save a girl from a possessed kitty and in the end the casteless dwarve girl managed to activate the golem and recruit her to fight the Blight. Then it was time to recruit the Dalish. The Dalish had their own problems and the keeper asked Maeve for help in stopping the disease that was turning his people into werewolves. Maeve and her companions went to the Brecilian Forest and discovered that the werewolves weren`t the mindless beasts that Zathrian made them believe, she even tried to talk and find a peaceful solution with them but with no sucess. The center of the forest, lair of the werewolves, was magical protected but Maeve managed to go through with some help from a talking Grand Oak tree. Before entering the Ruins they had a confrontation with some werewolves and Swiftrunner, who was saved by Witherfang. They entered the ruins and eventually found a way into the werewolve lair. The werewolves finally wanted to parley and escorted them to meet the Lady of the forest who explained the origin of the curse. They agreed to bring Zathrian to meet the Lady so they may talk. Zathrian agreed with the meeting but refused to break the curse, instead he wanted to attack the werewolves. Maeve sided with the werewolves and defended them against Zathrian`s attack. After being defeated Zathrian finally agreed to end the curse, the werewolves were human again and the Dalish were recruited. Back in camp Maeve couldn't resist the charming assassin.
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Post by olnorton on Feb 14, 2018 3:58:49 GMT
Something Caridin said bought back a memory to Shale, and she wanted to go to Cadash Thaig. She found her name and got closure. i.imgur.com/5unFNTu.jpgI told the assembly that Caridin left it for me to choose the next King. I wanted Bhelen to know his fate was in my hands. Well...If your exiled for killing your brother, you may as well kill one. i.imgur.com/2HulyEA.jpgBack at camp, Leliana sung us a song. A leisurely stroll on the mountain top, while in search for the Urn. Through it all, Leliana was always there for me. I wanted to return to the stone as a true Dwarven Princess, so a last minute costume change to slay the Archdemon. I enjoyed playing as a Dwarven Mage, and was surprised by how few times I got a Circle Mage option. The game treated me as a true child of the stone. I may even try a City Elf Maleficar next.
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Post by phoray on Feb 14, 2018 4:24:46 GMT
As fans it's easy to overthink this stuff, so sometimes the best thing you can do is throw caution to the wind and just see what happens. You never know what kind of world state you could wind up enjoying. I guess the random thing can be fun, but I'm systematically trying all the choices as it is. I think Random would just make my character be bipolar on the dialogue trees... unless it's for "major decisions only" and not dialogue? Lazarillo
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Post by phoray on Feb 14, 2018 4:28:50 GMT
I my even try a City Elf Maleficar next. Too bad no BM spec right off the bat. All those deaths at that jerks castle you could use to fuel some powerful spells
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Post by olnorton on Feb 14, 2018 4:37:32 GMT
Too bad no BM spec right off the bat. All those deaths at that jerks castle you could use to fuel some powerful spells Funny you should say that. I was just thinking the same thing.
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