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Post by Sartoz on Sept 17, 2016 16:24:52 GMT
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Battlefield 1 Beta pulled in 13.2 million players. That is a phenomenon number and EA is super pleased at the response. It appears the EA suits made the right call when they postponed ME:A. Plus, EA learned quite a bit about what the players liked, besides exposing bugs. It also allows them to tweak the game before launch.
So, would a similar Beta give Bioware the additional learning experience to adjust / tweak / fix the game before it's published? Remember that both games have Single Player campaign and a Multi-Player feature. With three platforms to program. I personally see it as a good idea.
Any pros or cons about a possible Beta, say 5-6 weeks before launch?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 16:44:46 GMT
For the multiplayer component of this game maybe but I don't think this is going to happen for SP. It would spoil part of the experience revealing stuff BW wants to use for their marketing campaign. I wouldn't hold my breath for a beta of ME:A. Battlefield is substantially an MP game so there is actually wise doing betatesting in advance but I'm not convinced this will be the case for Andromeda. I could be wrong of course.
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Post by Spectr61 on Sept 17, 2016 17:03:39 GMT
Did they beta test Battlefields' SP mode?
Also, the beta testers for pre-release DAIMP (not nearly as wide scale as BF), missed some incredibly obvious bugs (key not dropping glitch is only one example), so that example does not create a good track record.
However, 13 million or so testers, if they indeed provide good feedback (not guaranteed), and it is followed (also not guaranteed), then it could be a very good thing.
I joined the DAIMP Beta testers for the addition of the new characters, and others gave good input that was mostly heeded by the dev's before release. So that is encouraging.
What's not to like about a bunch of free testers troubleshooting your game for you? I hope BW listens.
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Post by nanotm on Sept 17, 2016 17:11:05 GMT
did they not do a pre release beta on the ME3 MP ? I could of sworn I read somewhere they did one, but it wasn't long enough, didn't have enough players involved and they didn't fix some of the bugs before it went retail as a consequence .... hopefully if the game is getting released in march we will see the MP beta start open testing in November and they will shut it down a week before the game launches having already fixed most of the bugs in it..... but that's just hope, I mean until we see the full price of the game for the deluxe edition (or whatever they cal it this time) nobody is going to pre-order it for beta game access, and besides beta game access might just give away too much of the SP stuff like game play and how to beat the tgame on insanity without trying
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 17, 2016 17:45:23 GMT
BF1 is a pvp multiplayer game with a rather high player count per match, so it stands to profit a lot from a public beta, as classes, maps and vehicles need balance testing. Of course, doing a public beta in the first place also requires that the publisher has confidence in their product, because a bad showing might well cost them sales later. Given how BF1 rolled in on a very positive hype train just because it dared to return to WW1 instead of being another run of the mill near-future military shooter, doing a public beta was probably a near no-brainer.
MEA's MP will likely be a co-op 4 player experience. No vehicles are present and classes don't need to be balanced against each other, they only need to be useful to take out the AI bots in some way. In my opinion that makes it a bit less likely that there will be a public beta. It might still happen though! Unless BioWare finishes their product last minute again and there's not any time to work on tweaks and fixes before release anyway.
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Post by Abramsrunner on Sept 17, 2016 18:37:28 GMT
We could see a ME:AMP demo 2-3 weeks before launch like ME3MP's demo back in mid-late feb 2012.
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Post by goishen on Sept 17, 2016 19:43:31 GMT
I don't really think that is necessary, nor will it give the team enough time to fix anything (besides tech stuff) that they really need to fix. It is possible that they can give us a beta (of the MP only) on N7 day. That would give them a solid five months, still would be a little scary working around there at that time... But I think they could do it.
The entire reason BF1 went into an open beta was because they wanted to solve any tech problems that they had. EA has been plagued by tech problems in the past (remember ME3MP disconnects?) Also, keeps their names in the news.
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Post by Adhin on Sept 17, 2016 20:19:13 GMT
I would 100% love it for the MP. EA definitely seems rather willing to do betas in general which I like. ME3 had one, but a lot of that was to get around peoples opinion that BioWare doesn't make MP games and to show 'no it's really good guys'. Was a lot of scoffing at the MP till that point.
Either way I'd love it, and it definitely can be a lot of help. Though the bulk of that is server testing. Either way me wanty beta.
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Post by nanotm on Sept 17, 2016 21:53:49 GMT
I would 100% love it for the MP. EA definitely seems rather willing to do betas in general which I like. ME3 had one, but a lot of that was to get around peoples opinion that BioWare doesn't make MP games and to show 'no it's really good guys'. Was a lot of scoffing at the MP till that point. Either way I'd love it, and it definitely can be a lot of help. Though the bulk of that is server testing. Either way me wanty beta. unless they get swamped with masses of extra demand I don't suppose they will need server testing, unless its a cross platform MP (which they have talked about wanting to make at EA for a few years) the server side should be almost exactly the same for as for me3 and dai, with updates pushed to the server by them, if they do try and cross platform it then I would hope the beta was out as open beta from November to work out the kinks rather than left till the last minute
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Post by goishen on Sept 18, 2016 2:20:02 GMT
I only hope if they do a beta, they put on the screen a big clickable button BUG REPORT. So that everybody knows that it's a beta. Not a tech demo/server stability thing that they're trying to pull off.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Sept 18, 2016 2:23:03 GMT
The only way I could see a beta of the "MEA SP campaign" happening (you'll see why I put that in quotes in a minute) is if the beta module was a completely isolated one-off that put us all in a familiar place, but with the new Frostbite engine and some of the new combat mechanics, leaving out anything that would compromise the novelty of the new game, but putting in enough to be a valuable test.
I could be something like Ryder Sr., in a visit to the Citadel, needs to loosen up and spend some time in the Armax Arsenal Arena. We never see Ryder Sr.'s face, since he always has an N7 helmet on. We see just the common area of the Citadel DLC that connects to the Arena. The Arena has been upgraded with some new sims, but all of the enemies are the old familiar ones, nothing from Andromeda.
As a nice easter egg, "Shepard" can be shown as having the highest score of 99999 on the leaderboard.
Not even really "MEA", more of a way to test out Frostbite and combat. And given how much work it would be to port even that little bit of the Citadel DLC, about a 1 in a 1000 chance of happening. Still, it is within the realm of possibility.
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Post by goishen on Sept 18, 2016 2:31:37 GMT
Yah, but ME:AMP would do that as well, plus test server issues. As long as they don't spoil any of the game? I'm golden. If they do, oh man. I'mma gonna be pissed. So when Blizzard beta tested their game(s), they tested it all at once. Ya know, they had different emails setup for their tech dept, for their story dept, for their connection dept, for their torrent dept., etc. Ya know, because you had people beta testing your game that were extremely intelligent about tech stuff, that weren't so great at the story element. You had people there that were great at the story element, but weren't great at either the tech stuff or the connection, you had people that were (because they had to be in order to play the game) great at the connection side, but weren't great at either of the other two. You had people that were great at torrenting (even though it was a new connection at the time) files, but weren't great at anything else. etc.
In other words, tl;dr, you have all sorts of people playing your game.
I dunno if BioWare is that big, or can even handle that kind'a workload, though.
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Post by Adhin on Sept 18, 2016 6:29:40 GMT
unless they get swamped with masses of extra demand I don't suppose they will need server testing, unless its a cross platform MP (which they have talked about wanting to make at EA for a few years) the server side should be almost exactly the same for as for me3 and dai, with updates pushed to the server by them, if they do try and cross platform it then I would hope the beta was out as open beta from November to work out the kinks rather than left till the last minute While I would agree with that in general, history has proven that thought process wrong every time a games been released. Anytime your setting up a new network/login server it doesn't seem to matter how 'it's just like the last time, we got this' it is... it's gonna fail. I don't think there is anyone out there that knows that better then EA/DICE at this point. It's happened with every battlefield/beta they've done since recent memory. Hell its happened with on the same platform which MEA isn't on the same platforms it was on. They can't just use what they used for ME3MP, they'll have to be setting up something new just for MEAMP. Granted they use P2P, someone hosts, everyone connects to them and all that. I'm just saying it's new - though familiar - territory on there end for this. Even if it's just some login server and match making routines a beta can help. Especially if it's a full open beta like EA has been doing recently where theres like 1-2 days of 'people who signed up' then it's just open to the public for a week and a half. That shits been fantastic, draws in a hell of a lot more people. The only major downside to it is having to section off the MP part for a beta it's self. It's like a demo to some extent, it'll never be as up to date as the game is upon the betas release so half the shit going wrong may of already been fixed. But it should be able to help test the login server stress and can drum up a lot of extra early sales.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Sept 18, 2016 8:17:10 GMT
Didn't the ME3MP beta got datamined and leaked the plot for SP?
That said I'm very very pro multiplayer beta, assuming EA and Bioware will actually use the feedback to improve their own game. It is a very good thing to test the systems before they are out, especially with the terrible Frostbite 3 that is limited and prone to glitches.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 8:31:31 GMT
I volunteer! I would love to beta! I don't care if it's shitty with bugs. SP or MP anything goes!
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Post by Adhin on Sept 18, 2016 9:09:32 GMT
Didn't the ME3MP beta got datamined and leaked the plot for SP? That said I'm very very pro multiplayer beta, assuming EA and Bioware will actually use the feedback to improve their own game. It is a very good thing to test the systems before they are out, especially with the terrible Frostbite 3 that is limited and prone to glitches. No, datamining doesn't reveal plot outside of maybe names for missions or items. Not unless they decide to hide the entire script in cryptic notes in the code anyway. The whole leaked script thing happened waaaay before the beta. Like half a year before the beta kinda thing. Was a bit uproar over it well before that. It's speculated why the delay existed in the first place to change the ending/reasoning of the Reapers or whatever. Dunno if that's the case or not, doesn't really matter either way. The Actual ME3MP beta was the month prior to release and I think went up to like a week prior to launch or something. I remember playing it almost up to launch which was awesome. It was basically a login/matchmaking test and a showcase to show everyone they could do MP since they hadn't since NWN back in 2002. And it worked if you ask me, let me know even if the whole ME3 story sucked I was gonna get my moneys worth. edit: had some confusing words in there, like plot instead of beta. -.-
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Sept 18, 2016 21:03:48 GMT
I would 100% love it for the MP. EA definitely seems rather willing to do betas in general which I like. ME3 had one, but a lot of that was to get around peoples opinion that BioWare doesn't make MP games and to show 'no it's really good guys'. Was a lot of scoffing at the MP till that point. Either way I'd love it, and it definitely can be a lot of help. Though the bulk of that is server testing. Either way me wanty beta. Yah, but ME:AMP would do that as well, plus test server issues. I'm convinced. I had forgotten that they already set a precedent for doing beta with MP. If they are planning MP for MEA at launch anyway, it's a no-brainer.
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Post by goishen on Sept 18, 2016 21:57:22 GMT
I'm convinced. I had forgotten that they already set a precedent for doing beta with MP. If they are planning MP for MEA at launch anyway, it's a no-brainer. You might be convinced, but as for me... I'll wait until I see it. They might do a MP beta in Jan-Feb sometime. They might release it on N7 day. They might not even do one at all.
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Post by maxon on Sept 18, 2016 23:42:42 GMT
The ME3 pre-launch came with MP and the SP Earth segment at the beginning of the game. IIRC.
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Post by Adhin on Sept 19, 2016 4:54:38 GMT
Yeah prior to ME3 launch we had a hell of a beta (that was pretty long if I recall) and a SP 'demo'. The demo part I would most definitely not expect. Demos are, much like betas, time consuming on the developers end. It's not as easy as just taking the game they have now and throwing it out there. They have to section off a piece of the game to do that and that takes a lot of time and resources. We're talking a few months to prepare it which means the code in there is a hell of a lot older then what there working with on top of maybe having gotten rid of some stuff that can effect things in away the main game wont ever see.
Anyway, a Demo does that but has to be cleaner because it's trying to sell you on the main game. It's also more difficult to test for considering it's story content and blah blah. It's really not worth doing demos 'before' a game is released. Add to that the whole early access thing on XB1 and I think Origin now? People will get to try the whole game now a week prior for like 5 hours or whatever.
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Post by Tetrabytes101 on Jan 4, 2017 15:53:16 GMT
So now that the game is nearly here dont you guys an gals think its time we had the beta/Demo? I dont know when the perfect time for gathering info from a beta is best but personally 3 monthes is not that long,unless there is a set time to do this in? Also will the beta/Demo be a level from multiplayer or a story driven scene ? Or even both.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 4, 2017 16:15:42 GMT
A beta for the multiplayer (on console) is planned, which you can discuss here: bsn.boards.net/thread/2080As far as there being a beta or demo of the Single Player game, that's another matter, we don't know yet. Though early release inclusion in 'EA Access' appears to be likely.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 4, 2017 16:20:12 GMT
I doubt it since there wasn't one for DAI
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Post by PhatePhoenix on Jan 4, 2017 17:04:18 GMT
There was a single-player demo for ME3, so, maybe? But that came out, like, a month or so before release, if that. It'd be nice to get a demo announcement today--heck, shadow-drop that thing tonight!
I played the ME3 demo so many times. If there is one for MEA, I hope I don't have to, like, have XBOX Gold or PS Plus or EA Access to play it. If I only get it for a week that way, fine. Deal.
If I'm remembering right, the ME3 demo was most of the level from Earth at the beginning with Anderson, and then fighting with Vega and Liara on Sur'Kesh. As a PS3 player, at the time it was the only way to see Kirrahe again (since he's dead for PS3 ME2). I'm assuming any demo will have some story element in it, not a lot of dialogue, maybe five wheels at most, and ending with a big fight. Companions will probably be Drack and, ah... PB? To get new players introduced to Biotic powers while still covering the heavy firepower. Unless Drack is also a Biotic, in which case it'll probably be Vetra as the gun-based powerhouse, and, again, PB.
I... can't remember if there was Character Customization in the ME3 demo? I know DA2's definitely didn't, but I kinda recall giving my demo Shepards purple hair? Either way, I'd like to see it in the demo so I can mostly figure out what my Ryder's will look like without spending three hours in the CC like I did with my Inquisitor.
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Post by cryptic137 on Jan 4, 2017 19:59:49 GMT
There was a single-player demo for ME3, so, maybe? But that came out, like, a month or so before release, if that. It'd be nice to get a demo announcement today--heck, shadow-drop that thing tonight!I played the ME3 demo so many times. If there is one for MEA, I hope I don't have to, like, have XBOX Gold or PS Plus or EA Access to play it. If I only get it for a week that way, fine. Deal. If I'm remembering right, the ME3 demo was most of the level from Earth at the beginning with Anderson, and then fighting with Vega and Liara on Sur'Kesh. As a PS3 player, at the time it was the only way to see Kirrahe again ( since he's dead for PS3 ME2). I'm assuming any demo will have some story element in it, not a lot of dialogue, maybe five wheels at most, and ending with a big fight. Companions will probably be Drack and, ah... PB? To get new players introduced to Biotic powers while still covering the heavy firepower. Unless Drack is also a Biotic, in which case it'll probably be Vetra as the gun-based powerhouse, and, again, PB. I... can't remember if there was Character Customization in the ME3 demo? I know DA2's definitely didn't, but I kinda recall giving my demo Shepards purple hair? Either way, I'd like to see it in the demo so I can mostly figure out what my Ryder's will look like without spending three hours in the CC like I did with my Inquisitor. please god, not another demo like the ME3 demo. it was probably the worst demo ever it was the tutorial (the bit where you leave earth, that has a gameplaytime of 5 minutes). + that got datamined like hell. that is probably a reason why pc players wont get anything. but i am still mad about no PC beta, the ME3 beta totaly convinced me to buy the game on release back then. it had strange reviews, so i wanted to wait
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