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Post by traks on Jan 7, 2017 19:09:40 GMT
Hey fellow ME enthusiasts, I just had a thought: what if instead of the impending Reaper war (which not everyone was aware of) the destruction of the Alpha Relay played a role for the launch date of the Andromeda Initiative? May Jien Garson haven given the go because of people fearing a new war between the Batarians and the Humans after Shep or the alliance killed those 300k Batarians?
Could be a nice story wrinkle IMO. A tie-in to the trilogy, but not because of the Reapers. This way people are not really fleeing because of immediate danger, but might think that the timing to launch that "crazy" expedition is right because of potential upcoming unrest in the Milky Way galaxy. Many - including from the other races - might think that instead of getting caught in a conflict they didn't need it might be a good time to go on an exploratory ride no one has ever tried...
Thoughts?
Edit to clarify: I was referring to the launch of the arks and Nexus with this post, not the start of the project itself.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 7, 2017 19:23:07 GMT
I doubt it. A conflict between the Human Alliance and the Batarian Hegemony wouldn't be large enough to prompt the mission to launch before its scheduled date. More likely if the Hegemony's forces got too close to the project, they would simply move it somewhere else in the Milky Way until it was ready.
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Post by guanxi on Jan 7, 2017 20:34:36 GMT
The Alpha Relay explosion hastening the launch is plausible as the hegemony seemingly wasn't invited to participate as an avowed enemy of the council races and fearing reprisal is logical response given it would be a soft target for a terror proxy and it's a privately funded initiative so an attack wouldn't be regarded as a formal act of war against the major powers.
There are however plenty of extremely rich Batarian investors who made fortunes in the black market I hope some of them are major private investors who see a different future for their people and somehow made the trip with cargo ships full of henchmen as Batarians make the best mercs and pirates and multiplayer wouldn't be the same without them.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Jan 7, 2017 20:42:31 GMT
Ha! Who'd fear war with those slaver scum? Humans would mop the floor with those slimy four-eyed freaks!
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Post by DalishRanger on Jan 7, 2017 21:36:09 GMT
Doubtful, as the project took years to complete and set up and would need to be planned far in advance. The events of Arrival would have happened either right before the launch of AI or after it'd already launched.
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Post by traks on Jan 7, 2017 21:54:30 GMT
Doubtful, as the project took years to complete and set up and would need to be planned far in advance. The events of Arrival would have happened either right before the launch of AI or after it'd already launched. The question for me is not why to start an Andromeda Initiative as a scientific project, but why launching the arks between ME2 and ME3 in the ME timeline. IMO you need a strong reason why you would sign up for 600 years of cryo sleep to explore another Galaxy, when you could just as easily fulfill your adventurous side without the risk of not waking up, without basically catapulting yourself out of the present into an unknown future. You could just sign up for any colonization/exploration initiative in the Milky Way galaxy. That way you could always return if something goes wrong. Why is a population of 100k - all arks and the Nexus combined - signing up at that particular point in time? Searching the answer to that question brought me to the OP as one - not the only - reason.
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Post by Cypher on Jan 8, 2017 2:49:10 GMT
I doubt the Batarians played a role in anything. I do believe that certain people involved with Andromeda knew of the Reapers beforehand and accelerated the project or believed Shepard enough to push the project forward so that everyone could survive a pending extinction and that any goal of returning to the Milky Way would be to salvage what's left and rebuild.
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Post by armass81 on Jan 8, 2017 4:12:55 GMT
Um, no your explanation doesnt really make sense. Think about it. We have all the major races leaving too.
So are all the council races afraid of the batarians?
This is like if US, China and Russia all evacuated to the Alpha Centauri because they were afraid of some future war wih North Korea...
And I think the expedition leaves, was planned, way before the arrival. What do they have psychics in Citadel space now?
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Post by armass81 on Jan 8, 2017 4:24:04 GMT
Doubtful, as the project took years to complete and set up and would need to be planned far in advance. The events of Arrival would have happened either right before the launch of AI or after it'd already launched. The question for me is not why to start an Andromeda Initiative as a scientific project, but why launching the arks between ME2 and ME3 in the ME timeline. IMO you need a strong reason why you would sign up for 600 years of cryo sleep to explore another Galaxy, when you could just as easily fulfill your adventurous side without the risk of not waking up, without basically catapulting yourself out of the present into an unknown future. You could just sign up for any colonization/exploration initiative in the Milky Way galaxy. That way you could always return if something goes wrong. Why is a population of 100k - all arks and the Nexus combined - signing up at that particular point in time? Searching the answer to that question brought me to the OP as one - not the only - reason. As an exploration mission the premise makes little sense given the scale, unknown and dangers, and the fact we have mostly unexplored own galaxy also. Of course you would always find people willing to go, even if an ocean would be endless youd find someone whod want to see whats on the other side, as they say. I think the ultimate reason for greenlighting and hastening the project(and maybe finding the solution to intergalactic traveling too) would be the events at the end of ME1: Sovereigns tech researched, knowledge or rumors that the reapers could be coming, some rich or influental people in the galaxy research the event, believe the danger is real and want to haul ass and hasten this originally tought to be pipedream project as their only solution for continuance of their civilization. They gain access to Sovereigns parts, hire the best scientists in the galaxy to solve the problem, in 2 years time they come up wiht ODSY drive. Better than just inventing it out of a thin air, something even protheans were not capable apparently(who knows tough). All of this is kept secret from the public and the majority of the pioneers and settlers ofc. I think this would be the best choice. Do they go with it, I dont know, for the plots sake I hope so. Its not a perfect reason of course, but I think its loads better than going just cause its there or because of "resources".... that is stupid. And metagaming, we know the real reasons why were going right, it involves red, green and blue.
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Post by Cypher on Jan 8, 2017 4:55:29 GMT
The question for me is not why to start an Andromeda Initiative as a scientific project, but why launching the arks between ME2 and ME3 in the ME timeline. IMO you need a strong reason why you would sign up for 600 years of cryo sleep to explore another Galaxy, when you could just as easily fulfill your adventurous side without the risk of not waking up, without basically catapulting yourself out of the present into an unknown future. You could just sign up for any colonization/exploration initiative in the Milky Way galaxy. That way you could always return if something goes wrong. Why is a population of 100k - all arks and the Nexus combined - signing up at that particular point in time? Searching the answer to that question brought me to the OP as one - not the only - reason. As an exploration mission the premise makes little sense given the scale, unknown and dangers, and the fact we have mostly unexplored own galaxy also. Of course you would always find people willing to go, even if an ocean would be endless youd find someone whod want to see whats on the other side, as they say. I think the ultimate reason for greenlighting and hastening the project(and maybe finding the solution to intergalactic traveling too) would be the events at the end of ME1: Sovereigns tech researched, knowledge or rumors that the reapers could be coming, some rich or influental people in the galaxy research the event, believe the danger is real and want to haul ass and hasten this originally tought to be pipedream project as their only solution for continuance of their civilization. They gain access to Sovereigns parts, hire the best scientists in the galaxy to solve the problem, in 2 years time they come up wiht ODSY drive. Better than just inventing it out of a thin air, something even protheans were not capable apparently(who knows tough). All of this is kept secret from the public and the majority of the pioneers and settlers ofc. I think this would be the best choice. Do they go with it, I dont know, for the plots sake I hope so. Its not a perfect reason of course, but I think its loads better than going just cause its there or because of "resources".... that is stupid. And metagaming, we know the real reasons why were going right, it involves red, green and blue. Who says no one is exploring the Milky Way, though? People were sending ships out to North America before completely traversing all of Europe. Considering the fact that the Reapers were doing things for millions upon millions of years, there could possibly be thousands of relays all throughout the galaxy on the network and not active, and there could be teams of individuals traversing the galaxy to get a better map of the network before they start opening them up willy nilly. And just you have teams exploring one thing doesn't mean that you couldn't explore another. The trip to Andromeda makes plenty of sense if you consider that we didn't experience all of the information of the galaxy nor all of the races because the first three games were seen through the prism of combat versus one of exploration.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 8, 2017 4:58:44 GMT
People were sending ships out to North America before completely traversing all of Europe. Considering the fact that the Reapers were doing things for millions upon millions of years, there could possibly be thousands of relays all throughout the galaxy on the network and not active, and there could be teams of individuals traversing the galaxy to get a better map of the network before they start opening them up willy nilly. And just you have teams exploring one thing doesn't mean that you couldn't explore another. Wait, what? What are you talking about not all of Europe was traversed before heading to North America? Europe was completely traversed centuries before that.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 8, 2017 5:14:47 GMT
Ha! Who'd fear war with those slaver scum? Humans would mop the floor with those slimy four-eyed freaks! Heh, yeah, pretty much. The only concern about the batarians after what happened to the Alpha Relay is that the conflict would take away from their effort to prepare against the reapers, and nothing more.
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Post by Cypher on Jan 8, 2017 5:21:21 GMT
People were sending ships out to North America before completely traversing all of Europe. Considering the fact that the Reapers were doing things for millions upon millions of years, there could possibly be thousands of relays all throughout the galaxy on the network and not active, and there could be teams of individuals traversing the galaxy to get a better map of the network before they start opening them up willy nilly. And just you have teams exploring one thing doesn't mean that you couldn't explore another. Wait, what? What are you talking about not all of Europe was traversed before heading to North America? Europe was completely traversed centuries before that. Vikings were sending people to North America at the same time they were pushing further into Europe. They didn't just go in one direction, go home, and then go in the other direction is what I'm saying.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 8, 2017 5:49:16 GMT
Wait, what? What are you talking about not all of Europe was traversed before heading to North America? Europe was completely traversed centuries before that. Vikings were sending people to North America at the same time they were pushing further into Europe. They didn't just go in one direction, go home, and then go in the other direction is what I'm saying. You said people, not just vikings, so I thought you meant people in general. Humans had completely traversed Europe by the time the first ships were sent in the direction of the Americas.
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Post by Cypher on Jan 8, 2017 5:53:29 GMT
Vikings were sending people to North America at the same time they were pushing further into Europe. They didn't just go in one direction, go home, and then go in the other direction is what I'm saying. You said people, not just vikings, so I thought you meant people in general. Humans had completely traversed Europe by the time the first ships were sent in the direction of the Americas. If I were talking about it in that frame of reference, I wouldn't have mentioned it since North and South America were already settled at that point. But I see where my wording could mix people up.
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Post by hipi07 on Jan 8, 2017 9:06:06 GMT
The Alliance would most likely curbstomp the Batarians if an all out war broke out.
Mostly because the Batarians would surely start using terror tactics and it would only be a matter of time before they killed individuals of other races, by accident or not, who would join in on the Alliance's side and, as I said before, curbstomp the slaver scum. Batarians could never sustain a traditional all-out war against the Alliance, especially after Humanity became a Council Race.
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Post by deadgoon on Jan 8, 2017 9:54:19 GMT
The Alliance would most likely curbstomp the Batarians if an all out war broke out. Mostly because the Batarians would surely start using terror tactics and it would only be a matter of time before they killed individuals of other races, by accident or not, who would join in on the Alliance's side and, as I said before, curbstomp the slaver scum. Batarians could never sustain a traditional all-out war against the Alliance, especially after Humanity became a Council Race. It would depend on who was killed, & the numbers involved, if it was the Salarians or Asari then no i don't think they'd join the Alliance in ass whupping the Batarians, the Salarians & the Asari both have there own way of dealing with such things so they wouldn't rush into a war, but if it was the Turians oh my!, you bet your rear end thats a paddlin', the birds would not sit still for that & they'd be in there kicking ass regardless of what the Alliance was doing.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 8, 2017 10:12:38 GMT
I don't believe so. More plausible, could be that someone said: hey, what if Shepard is right and the Turian Councilor is just full of feces? Let’s say a race of destroyers is coming from the dark beyond the galaxy… - But what if he is right? - He/She can't be. - And if She/He is? The human Councilor seems to confirm the stories... -Time to set route to get the hell out of here pronto? -...Engine set and ready. -Engage.
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Post by traks on Jan 8, 2017 13:14:20 GMT
I don't believe so. More plausible, could be that someone said: hey, what if Shepard is right and the Turian Councilor is just full of feces? Let’s say a race of destroyers is coming from the dark beyond the galaxy… - But what if he is right? - He/She can't be. - And if She/He is? The human Councilor seems to confirm the stories... -Time to set route to get the hell out of here pronto? -...Engine set and ready. -Engage. Sounds good - and I was from day one a supporter of the Reaper war as the reason to leave - but a) Bioware has explicitly stated that it is not because they say that it wasn't common knowledge that the Reaper war was coming. So the purpose of this thread is: why in hell are so many people signing up for 600 years of cryo sleep etc. when presumably nothing is wrong for such a big group at home? That being said, of course I like your scenario.
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 8, 2017 13:56:45 GMT
I don't believe so. More plausible, could be that someone said: hey, what if Shepard is right and the Turian Councilor is just full of feces? Let’s say a race of destroyers is coming from the dark beyond the galaxy… - But what if he is right? - He/She can't be. - And if She/He is? The human Councilor seems to confirm the stories... -Time to set route to get the hell out of here pronto? -...Engine set and ready. -Engage. Sounds good - and I was from day one a supporter of the Reaper war as the reason to leave - but a) Bioware has explicitly stated that it is not because they say that it wasn't common knowledge that the Reaper war was coming. So the purpose of this thread is: why in hell are so many people signing up for 600 years of cryo sleep etc. when presumably nothing is wrong for such a big group at home? That being said, of course I like your scenario. "It wasn't common knowledge" being the important bit. It means someone is in fact in the know, other than Cerberus, Normandy Crew, Disbelieving Council and high ranking Council officers, SPECTRE and anyone who red the works of archaeologist Liara T’Soni (doctor Treeya for instance). So, while it surely wasn’t common knowledge, it wasn’t neither top secret. Maybe, with the excuse of being a mission to create a bridgehead in the Andromeda Galaxy, someone aimed to have a failsafe in case Shepard wasn’t the loony someone believed he/she was. And I find interesting how little do we know up until now about Jien Garson: I’m looking forward to discover who is and was in the Milky Way to have the kind of pull necessary to have the “all green” for something like the Andromeda Initiative.
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Post by ravenous on Jan 8, 2017 22:45:40 GMT
I could be wrong on this but I like to think that the reason for the AI to the Andromeda Galaxy is because the Reapers are coming and only a select few like the founder of the AI knows about the reapers coming, so she and others come up with the AI and then create the Arks and Nexus and some of the races Human, Asari etc join the AI to leave the milkyway galaxy to go to another galaxy that hopefully will never be visited by the reapers if the defense fails and all life in the milkyway is destroyed well the starfaring ones at least. I also think that they leave before ME3 so that way the reapers won't detect them and hopefully won't detect them traveling through dark space, to a new h ome
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 9, 2017 1:38:46 GMT
I could be wrong on this but I like to think that the reason for the AI to the Andromeda Galaxy is because the Reapers are coming and only a select few like the founder of the AI knows about the reapers coming, so she and others come up with the AI and then create the Arks and Nexus and some of the races Human, Asari etc join the AI to leave the milkyway galaxy to go to another galaxy that hopefully will never be visited by the reapers if the defense fails and all life in the milkyway is destroyed well the starfaring ones at least. I also think that they leave before ME3 so that way the reapers won't detect them and hopefully won't detect them traveling through dark space, to a new h ome Bioware has confirmed some of this. They said while most people are unaware of the Reaper threat, some people involved with the AI were and that it would be mentioned later in the game. So the AI may have started and publicly be the reasons promoted, but it seems during the last couple years there came a second secret reason for it. That may also explain why they launch after Arrival but before ME3 starts, since those in the know realize the Reapers are on the Milky Way's doorstep.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Jan 9, 2017 1:44:39 GMT
Alot of people are saying the war between the humans and batarians would obviously end with the batarians getting beat badly. And they are right it would. However batarians would use terror attacks. And alot of that might be destroying large but weak targets early on. Think of how much the arks and everything cost. Destroying it or damaging it would kill ALOT of people (people working on it and such) and destroy alot of work and alot of money would go down the drain so it could be a real worry for the ark people. I could see the batarians doing alot of stuff like having small groups put bombs in very populated places and some vital but less protected places early on. Like I said the batarians would be destroyed and relatively quick but they would initially do some damage and considering how much the arks cost and how long they take to make it is a legitamate worry.
That said I think it would more likely be because the reapers were coming and someone high up in the ark things knew and decided to launch as soon as possible. But it could also be a mix
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Post by The Twilight God on Jan 9, 2017 9:23:52 GMT
Hey fellow ME enthusiasts, I just had a thought: what if instead of the impending Reaper war (which not everyone was aware of) the destruction of the Alpha Relay played a role for the launch date of the Andromeda Initiative? May Jien Garson haven given the go because of people fearing a new war between the Batarians and the Humans after Shep or the alliance killed those 300k Batarians? Could be a nice story wrinkle IMO. A tie-in to the trilogy, but not because of the Reapers. This way people are not really fleeing because of immediate danger, but might think that the timing to launch that "crazy" expedition is right because of potential upcoming unrest in the Milky Way galaxy. Many - including from the other races - might think that instead of getting caught in a conflict they didn't need it might be a good time to go on an exploratory ride no one has ever tried... Thoughts? Edit to clarify: I was referring to the launch of the arks and Nexus with this post, not the start of the project itself.
The project was started and launched in response to the impending Reaper threat. End of story.
And before you reply I'd advise you do your research first. Know that I am the Official Mass Effect LoreMaster Supreme and you are wrong if you are in opposition to me. My knowledge is absolute. I am a (minor) GOD!!!
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 9, 2017 15:58:50 GMT
Who? Batarians? The ISIS of space? Pffft.
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