The Tempest thread (confirmed 100% weaponry free)

The Shield Blast is on the Nomad, not the Tempest. 

Well, the human leaders did go "durr what's that?" but to be fair, there was fuck all they could do since the Reapers bum rushed them en masse. Shepard made Earth a target so they struck there first (well, Batarians aside) and in force.

Though the point would still stand that apart from the nameless human admirals or whatever in 3, most human leaders (Anderson, Hackett, even TIM and Petrovski) have had better campaigns than their alien counterparts (if applicable). Hell even Udina organized a better ground invasion of the Citadel than Saren, without the use of a magical backdoor and he actually captured the Council, something Saren never managed (though that wasn't his goal)

Of course they had better campaigns; they're humans after all. Why with all that genetic "diversity" even our pencil pushing politicians are better military strategists than even life long, military focused aliens; it's just basic science really. 

But in all seriousness, why would the turian Primarch agree to be subordinate to a military commander who's only claim to fame is running away from the Reapers after they took his home planet? Shouldn't the person in charge of the military that has actually stalled the majority of the Reaper advance be considered for the one calling the shots?

But they could add the extra multiplayer mode instead. The game is CASH GRAB right from the start, what else to say...

It's funny, but we need Shepard to save Andromeda Initiative 

I'm sure the same can be said of crewmembers as well
What fleet? I wouldn't call 4 ships, a Nexus and fighters going to Andromeda a fleet.

Also, the Enterprise in one of the movies did leave space dock without it's weapons being installed leading ultimately to the death of Kirk in that movie.

I agree.  My point was that anyone or any number of people in a story can be logically illogical.  Writers do use illogic as a plot device to set up situations that further their plot line.  People are saying that 20,000 people would not risk leaving the galaxy unless they were sure that the expedition was well prepared.  However, really, the only thing Colonists are ever risking... whether they are just going to a continent here on Earth in the 1700s or to a new galaxy about 700 years into an imaginary future... is their own lives.  They risk the same staying to fight the Reapers.

Everyone here has completely ignored an earlier post of mine... What if the intention of the organizers was absolutely to install weapons; but that those weapons were just not shipped in time for their departure... because possibly their departure timing was moved up because of the Reaper threat (i.e. word leaking out about the happenings in the Arrival DLC) and they thought their best gamble was to leave sooner and not wait for the weapons rather than leave later and risk being trapped inside the galaxy by the Reapers?  Faced with two options that can cost you your life either way (and that's everything you have to risk at any time)... is either one really any more logical than the other?

Regardless of what the players, that Relay gets destroy and it does instantly kill more than 300,000 Batarians and wipes out an entire star system... with "only minutes to spare" in preventing a Reaper invasion.  It happens at least 6 months before the Reapers actually do attack in ME3.  Regardless of it's initial purpose, if I knew there was a chance at that point that those ships were ready enough that they could actually reach Andromeda, I might be inclined to say "F it... we're going, now!"

Also, I find unbelievable that the Andromeda galaxy (or the Milky Way for that matter) could be poor in resources. Maaaybe relatively to the Universe, sure, but in the Milky Way, in universe, we’ve explored only 1% of the stars. So we should still have the 99% rest to grab. Andromeda is an entire new galaxy to explore, where we would be less than 1 million people.
We could live with the scraps and be richer than a Croesus anyway.

And of course, both the Tempest and the Nomad are defenceless because they have hulls made of plot armour, which is refined from plot device ore, stronger than Silaris.

What do you mean not shipped in time? Were they building these so-called weapons in another location?

No one knew when the reapers would show up.

Right there with ya. Some of the cutscenes showing fighters maneuvering quicker/easier/faster than an F14 (and outside of a planet's atmosphere)... are just silly, imho. Rule of cool at work.

Armor plating could weigh quite a lot, too - which you'd want if you were ever going to engage in combat in the Nomad.

And speaking of weight (mass), I'm sort of hoping that things like gravity and atmosphere will be taken into account, especially since they'll have Frostbite's physics engine at their disposal.

I can imagine a desire to strictly limit the Tempest's (and resident Nomad's) overall weight especially since it's designed to land on planets. The only time I remember the Normandy ever landing directly on a planet was on Virmire, and that was the SR1 - otherwise it docks at spaceports and sends ground crews out in the Mako, Hammerhead, shuttle.

I can imagine wanting to land the Tempest someplace with a thin crust - like on ice or a lava field with a thin crust on top - and the planet's gravity along with the ship's overall mass being an important consideration. Also, wanting to be able to escape quickly from planets with high gravity / atmospheric conditions.

If I get my wish, gravity and atmospheric conditions will affect things like our rate of speed (on foot and in the Nomad), how high we can jump with the boots, how quickly bullets arrive at their targets, how long we can stay on the planet. I guess we'll see.



How is that any different than TIM being the apparent sole funding behind Cerberus - with all of its outposts and stations, numerous scientists and costly research techniques, a fleet, and an army that it believes to be capable of taking over the Citadel?

Most Council species have numerous dreadnoughts and other ships.




I don't recall ever seeing any codex entries or other in-world lore having to do with the usual process followed in colonization. We did see a number of colonies in TMW with minimal (if any) defenses. IIRC, part of the ME2 mission on Horizon involved initiating the newly installed GARDIAN laser systems. The colony had been founded in 2168, and it was just getting these defenses in 2185. The colonists on Feros formed their own militia to protect themselves. Etc.

Does the same contractor who builds planes for the military also build the weapons systems for them?  Didn't NASA have a Canadian contractor build the Canada Arm for the shuttle?  We all components for the International Space Station built in one place?

I assume this is what you meant?

While darkly humorous, the circumstances between this and the AI are quite different. The Enterprise here was simply doing a test of the engines, and got caught up in responding to a distress signal. They had no intention of actually going out and DOING anything. Let alone a six hundred year intergalactic colonization effort. Going out so unprepared was already eye-raisingly foolish for the Enterprise. To leave on a six hundred year intergalactic colonization effort with such inept preparation is, or should be, criminally negligent.

At the very least, go with option #3 and mount guns on what you do have! You know, like what the quarians did!