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Post by Serza on Jan 20, 2017 17:22:18 GMT
There's a metric fuckton of grey, people keep talking about the "good book" which is clearly whatever passes for the Holy Bible in the Witcher universe, and there's also a lot of dirt. Buildings often hold together so-so judging by looks and survival isn't easy. It's about as grim as I'd expect from a 12th century central Europe, which is kind of sort of there for Poland, which is supposedly the main inspiration for Sapkowski, upon whose novels the games are based. Often you can't say you chose the good over the evil. You can only shrug with a sad look on your face, and say that you did what you thought was best. Minor spoiler related to White Orchard and it's greyness - you should be past this part of the game by now. Example from the White Orchard: You can find a girl attacked by the Griffin you eventually slay in Tomira's (herbalist) hut. This is a very minor quest that takes about two minutes to even finish. It's actually unmarked far as I remember. She's clearly dying: blood pooling in her skull. You can either let her die in peace, or give Tomira a Swallow (health regen potion) to give to the girl. The potion is however meant for Witchers: The unmutated body of a normal person often can't handle Witcher's potions (Celandine, the chief ingredience of Swallow is actually venomous). If it doesn't work, she would die anyway, in horrifying pain.
If you give her the potion, she will heal but lose her mental faculties and become a vegetable.
And another from Skellige, one of the minor, two-minute contracts there, further displaying the massive grey grimness that is the Witcher's world: You may come upon a contract related to a curse. When you arrive to the site, you will find a Nithing - a physical object that draws the curse. It was set up by someone, and now is killing a child. You eventually find it's the father's former lover, and she tries to blackmail the man into abandoning his wife and child (they would become outcasts by this) and come back to the curse's caster: only then will she remove the curse.
You can either advise the man to return to the vile woman and turn his family into outcasts, shunned by society, or you can carve the caster's name in the Nithing. This will kill the caster, and it won't be a swift and painless death.
There is often no right choice. There is only what you think is right, based on your own morality. The lesser evil. That is ironic, because Geralt is known for saying "Evil is evil. Lesser. Greater. Middling. The degree is arbitrary. The definitions blurred. If I am to chose between one evil and another, I'd rather not chose at all." - word for word. He then proceeds to kill a man who is trying to hang a woman, and when the man asks in a shaking voice what is he doing, he replies "Killing monsters."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 17:27:48 GMT
Serza ArcadiaGrey Is TW3 that grim? I mean, twice or thrice now I've made what I think is the best choice. With the Dwarf and with the grumpy men that turned out to be raping bandits. And then I get smacked with a bad outcome. But if I'd chosen to let the arsonist bribe me and had done battle with the bandits, would the outcomes have STILL been bad? Like, is it "damned if you do, and damned if you don't " the whole game? Haven't played it yet, as I said I did play part of TW1 and I also started watching TW2 3 different times on YT then gave up. It just has this grim edge to it that I'd describe as 'Game of Thrones-y'. I freaking hate that, if I wanna be depressed I'll go watch the news, but when I'm immersed in a game world I'd rather everyone not be living unendingly miserable lives and I've always gotten that impression from TW. I'm fine with Deus Ex, Dishonored, ME, DA, WoW, Half Life, but TW is too far down that road for me, hence why I've been dithering about whether to play it or not.
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Post by Serza on Jan 20, 2017 17:52:34 GMT
Oh, yeah...
This is the Velen theme, heard throughout that region often. It's very... sad
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Post by phoray on Jan 20, 2017 18:18:38 GMT
SerzaOh, All I'd been told is that the Nilfgardiens had taken her with no explanation. ): Of course, helping got a bad outcome.
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 20, 2017 18:18:53 GMT
Serza ArcadiaGrey Is TW3 that grim? I mean, twice or thrice now I've made what I think is the best choice. With the Dwarf and with the grumpy men that turned out to be raping bandits. And then I get smacked with a bad outcome. But if I'd chosen to let the arsonist bribe me and had done battle with the bandits, would the outcomes have STILL been bad? Like, is it "damned if you do, and damned if you don't " the whole game? Actually, something good may come out of your successful avoidance of the tavern brawl and save you some trouble later down the road (probably any moment now). Overall, I'd say the game is fairly grim, but never without some rays of sunlight. Geralt can't prevent all the bad stuff from happening, but he can create a little justice here and there, make a few people's lives better, kick evil in the teeth ... a bit. You can't always win, but sometimes you can, and when you do, it's all the sweeter. But beware... some people and some things will lie to you and try to talk you into making bad decisions. Be ever vigilant.
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Post by dragontartare on Jan 20, 2017 18:19:32 GMT
SerzaArcadiaGreyIs TW3 that grim? I mean, twice or thrice now I've made what I think is the best choice. With the Dwarf and with the grumpy men that turned out to be raping bandits. And then I get smacked with a bad outcome. But if I'd chosen to let the arsonist bribe me and had done battle with the bandits, would the outcomes have STILL been bad? Like, is it "damned if you do, and damned if you don't " the whole game? I wouldn't say the whole game. There are quests that can end happily, and you can get a happy ending overall for Geralt, Ciri, and love interest, but a lot of the quests do have negatives no matter what you do. Sorta spoiler: If you see the Baron's quest line through to it's optional ending, you will get a healthy dose of "damned if you do, damned if you don't." If you ignore the quest and check on them later, you will see consequences for that as well. That doesn't bother me personally because the realism helps make the game relatable (much like with Hawke and Kirkwall, Geralt is just one man and there's only so much he can do), but if you want a game filled with sunshine and rainbows, then this is not the one. I do hope you are enjoying it enough to stick around
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Post by Serza on Jan 20, 2017 18:19:43 GMT
Yeah... Try visiting the Nilfgaardian army camp in the region of Velen. You'll find out what happened.
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Post by LightningPoodle on Jan 20, 2017 18:24:44 GMT
On the Witcher 3, the truth of it is is, there isn't a definitive "better". The world it is set in is on the brink of war. Death, disease and monsters sweep through the land and what they don't destroy, there are always men who wish to take what they want from others. You shouldn't expect anything to end happily ever after, for those are rare. You can only do what you feel is best at that time and at that place. Whatever the consequences of your decision, you must live with them.
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Post by Serza on Jan 20, 2017 18:26:46 GMT
Hear, hear.
The good dog summed it up perfectly. Speaking of which, what sorcery is a talking dog, exactly?
Call the Templars Temple Guard! Burn him on the stakes of Novigrad with the rest of them!
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 20, 2017 18:32:08 GMT
Like there isn't enough burning going on in Novigrad already.
Beware, for you know not the day or the hour...
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Post by Serza on Jan 20, 2017 18:42:55 GMT
Yeah... To think only six months ago, Sorceresses were regarded with respect, and even were the advisors to most Kings in the northern realms.
Of course, that's before Foltest and Demavend were assassinated, and before Henselt disappeared. Now only Radovid V. the Stern remains, and we all know the rumors...
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Post by LightningPoodle on Jan 20, 2017 18:46:55 GMT
C'mon. We all know there is a "good" choice when it comes to that decision. Nilfgaard!
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Post by phoray on Jan 20, 2017 18:52:18 GMT
^^^^ Only know Foltest anda bunch of Kings were killed last game. The rest of what you guys speak of is unknown to me. dragontartareI'm not giving up on it. It's my work weekend, can't touch the game again till Monday. I just didn't know if it's all bad stuff. In The Walking Dead, there is a scene where you and another man need to jump off a bridge. There are three dialogue choices. Choosing bottom right seemed good, "we have to jump off NOW" What that dialogue wheel didn't tell me is that apparently the NOW included me actually pushing the guy off. He breaks his leg and blames ne. I reloaded because that was unfair, the choice didn't say I'd do that. I go with the "go when you're ready" top right dialogue. This leads to me jumping off in a "well, I'm going and you're on your own!" He ends up breaking his leg ANYWAY. But the this time,heblames me for abandoning him. That whole scenario is a damned both ways choice that ticked me off.
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Post by dragontartare on Jan 20, 2017 20:54:22 GMT
^^^^ Only know Foltest anda bunch of Kings were killed last game. The rest of what you guys speak of is unknown to me. dragontartareI'm not giving up on it. It's my work weekend, can't touch the game again till Monday. I just didn't know if it's all bad stuff. In The Walking Dead, there is a scene where you and another man need to jump off a bridge. There are three dialogue choices. Choosing bottom right seemed good, "we have to jump off NOW" What that dialogue wheel didn't tell me is that apparently the NOW included me actually pushing the guy off. He breaks his leg and blames ne. I reloaded because that was unfair, the choice didn't say I'd do that. I go with the "go when you're ready" top right dialogue. This leads to me jumping off in a "well, I'm going and you're on your own!" He ends up breaking his leg ANYWAY. But the this time,heblames me for abandoning him. That whole scenario is a damned both ways choice that ticked me off. Ah. These are more...unforeseen consequences, rather than the game just lying to you. Mostly, anyway. Once you get to the last section of the game, though, you might want to engage in some meta gaming to get the ending you want, because I feel like it's not always clear which action leads to which consequence.
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Post by slimgrin on Jan 20, 2017 21:09:35 GMT
There's actually a lot of humor in the game, more than the previous two. Some of it's subtle, some is goofy and right in your face. I read an interview with one of the writers and they stated the importance of levity in such a grim setting.
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Post by phoray on Jan 20, 2017 21:52:51 GMT
dragontartareAt what point is the end game to which I should begin to meta? I dunno. I kinda want to keep spoiler free. Maybe make a save at the point you suggest, play through blind, then reload to the crucial point and THEN meta.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 21:57:44 GMT
I tagged W3 in the Origins to keep in mind if I run out of games to play, but it sounds rather depressing.
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Post by phoray on Jan 20, 2017 22:06:06 GMT
I tagged W3 in the Origins to keep in mind if I run out of games to play, but it sounds rather depressing. I'm ridiculously picky about games. At least the Witcher has had a strong enough story to keep me interested. Last two games I "tried" were Kingdoms of Amalur and Mass Effect one. I probably managed 6 hours of each before I abandoned them. The Walking Dead, I'm on the fence about abandoning after Season 3. And I'm intrigued by that Being Human AI robot game that's touted to have lots of branching storyline and not be lying like everyone else was. That's it. I don't have a pile of games waiting for me to play. Got 8+ more PTs planned of Dragon Age replays though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 22:11:28 GMT
I tagged W3 in the Origins to keep in mind if I run out of games to play, but it sounds rather depressing. I'm ridiculously picky about games. At least the Witcher has had a strong enough story to keep me interested. Last two games I "tried" were Kingdoms of Amalur and Mass Effect one. I probably managed 6 hours of each before I abandoned them. The Walking Dead, I'm on the fence about abandoning after Season 3. And I'm intrigued by that Being Human AI robot game that's touted to have lots of branching storyline and not be lying like everyone else was. That's it. I don't have a pile of games waiting for me to play. Got 8+ more PTs planned of Dragon Age replays though. Heh, my list is me3 x2, full MET run for Garrus, Andromeda and DA2. Plus, lots and lots of MP. So, yeah 2 or so years.... I was also curious about tides of numenoria and pillars of... and the cyberpunk 2077. And, that witches thing since everyone is in uproar how good it is. Undecided on it and Inquisition.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jan 20, 2017 22:13:15 GMT
dragontartare At what point is the end game to which I should begin to meta? I dunno. I kinda want to keep spoiler free. Maybe make a save at the point you suggest, play through blind, then reload to the crucial point and THEN meta. I believe that would be difficult since the decisions that influence the ending do occur at different points throughout the game, not just in the end game. There are about 5 main choices that have a big impact on the ending and a few minor ones that may come into play as well. This is only for the main story though, you'll see the consequences to quite a lot of your choices during the ending. I would actually recommend to just play the game and not care about metagaming on your first run. Just be vigilent when making decisions, the game will give you hints as to what choices might carry some weight, so it rewards paying attention in dialogues. You can read about alternatives and would have caused them after you experienced the game unspoiled for the first time. While not really obvious, the consequences that will happen are logical and reasonable so I doubt you'll find yourself in a situation where you will get an ending that you wouldn't or couldn't have expected at all. I did it this way and I am very happy I didn't read anything about it before I finished the game for the first time. There is still the possibility to metagame for a different ending on a replay if you choose to ever do one (as I do right now) or simply whatch a let's play or something later.
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 20, 2017 23:30:30 GMT
dragontartare At what point is the end game to which I should begin to meta? I dunno. I kinda want to keep spoiler free. Maybe make a save at the point you suggest, play through blind, then reload to the crucial point and THEN meta. I think you will be fine if you just do your thing, judging from one of your earliest posts in this thread. It's kinda hard to meta, since those decision points are all fairly far apart. You're just far, far away from the first one though, so for now there's no reason to worry!
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Post by phoray on Jan 21, 2017 1:41:27 GMT
I'm ridiculously picky about games. At least the Witcher has had a strong enough story to keep me interested. Last two games I "tried" were Kingdoms of Amalur and Mass Effect one. I probably managed 6 hours of each before I abandoned them. The Walking Dead, I'm on the fence about abandoning after Season 3. And I'm intrigued by that Being Human AI robot game that's touted to have lots of branching storyline and not be lying like everyone else was. That's it. I don't have a pile of games waiting for me to play. Got 8+ more PTs planned of Dragon Age replays though. Heh, my list is me3 x2, full MET run for Garrus, Andromeda and DA2. Plus, lots and lots of MP. So, yeah 2 or so years.... I was also curious about tides of numenoria and pillars of... and the cyberpunk 2077. And, that witches thing since everyone is in uproar how good it is. Undecided on it and Inquisition. For Garrus? I watched ME3 romance of Garus on youtube and I couldn't get past the...pincers and the space suit he still wears in his sex scenes. I'm thinking of doing a Text Only Let's play for ME3 like I did for Witcher 3 because I hated ME1 and thought I'd hate TW3. For the latter, I guess I technically don't know yet. MP means multiplayer, right? pillars of? "withches" thing?
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Post by phoray on Jan 21, 2017 1:43:54 GMT
AnDromedaryGileadanCool. I'll keep playing blind then. ^^ I don't see this as a game that I'd play more than twice. Once, Blind. 2nd, to get the perfect ending. But even the latter, I may just watch on youtube. Where have you found the replay value so far?
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Post by dragontartare on Jan 21, 2017 2:49:57 GMT
dragontartare At what point is the end game to which I should begin to meta? I dunno. I kinda want to keep spoiler free. Maybe make a save at the point you suggest, play through blind, then reload to the crucial point and THEN meta. If there isn't an ending you want, then just play and don't worry about metagaming. But if you end up like me and accidentally find out about some things that could happen and refuse to have them happen in your game, then that's a different story The things I'm thinking of don't occur until after you've finished all the main quests in Velen, Novigrad, and Skellige, so you don't have to decide any time soon.
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Post by dragontartare on Jan 21, 2017 2:52:07 GMT
AnDromedary Gileadan Cool. I'll keep playing blind then. ^^ I don't see this as a game that I'd play more than twice. Once, Blind. 2nd, to get the perfect ending. But even the latter, I may just watch on youtube. Where have you found the replay value so far? NG+ is fun so far if only to feel like a total badass But my plan personally is to do some side quests that I skipped the first time around.
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