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Post by Morrigan on Jan 24, 2017 6:10:56 GMT
I am assuming Andromeda is too far away from the Milky Way for a phone call, but would the people in the milky way be a able to see the settlements in the Andromeda galaxy?
It's an interesting idea - two civilisations, able to see each other, but not to visit.
Scrap that. I realise now that, because of the distance, it would take hundreds of thousands of years for light to travel from Andromeda to the Milky Way.
Different question: Would you build telescopes to look at Earth in the past? By travelling faster than light, we will have outrun time.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 24, 2017 7:49:57 GMT
If you look back from the Helius cluster, and assuming you had the requisite resolution, you'd be seeing light from the time of Australopithecus (and maybe some early Hobo Habilis, subject to scientific debate)...
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Post by etheblack on Jan 24, 2017 17:04:44 GMT
"hundreds of thousands of years"
More like 2.5 million years.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 25, 2017 2:28:43 GMT
Sorry if that was hostile. Wrote that in a tired state.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 25, 2017 7:35:07 GMT
Sorry if that was hostile. Wrote that in a tired state. Didn't strike me as so, just a scientific argument I was entirely unfamiliar with...
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Post by BadgerladDK on Jan 25, 2017 10:22:04 GMT
I keep seeing the thread as "Intergalactic Fleshlight" and then I'm sad it contains zero Asari.
Is there such a thing as subconscious false advertising?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 11:49:12 GMT
I keep seeing the thread as "Intergalactic Fleshlight" and then I'm sad it contains zero Asari. I know exactly what you're alluding to, and hate myself for it.
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Intergalactic Flashlight Morse are my favorite band!
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Post by dalinne on Jan 25, 2017 13:08:21 GMT
Intergalactic flashlight morse I thought this was a Geth Thread
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 13:15:53 GMT
Intergalactic flashlight morse I thought this was a Geth Thread Nah, Geth are more like desk lamps. Speaking of which -- check this out: Geth desk lamp[sketchfab]053a27e2fe4747deb61a0793ce169b9d[/sketchfab] Geth Lamp by Wiktor Wasowski on Sketchfab
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Post by fialka on Jan 25, 2017 13:56:33 GMT
Intergalactic flashlight morse I thought this was a Geth Thread Nah, Geth are more like desk lamps. Speaking of which -- check this out: Geth desk lamp[sketchfab]053a27e2fe4747deb61a0793ce169b9d[/sketchfab] Geth Lamp by Wiktor Wasowski on SketchfabI'm not normally into video game paraphernalia (not even the games themselves - digital all the way!) but this I would totally buy for my office were it a real thing.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 26, 2017 0:25:58 GMT
Sorry if that was hostile. Wrote that in a tired state. Didn't strike me as so, just a scientific argument I was entirely unfamiliar with... Really? Well to be technical it is my personal theory on galaxies in the cosmos as a whole and not some scientifically proven mumbo jumbo crap. Had a professor once who told me: "If you believe everything you hear you will never expand your mind. Question Everything -even the established doctrine of all things. Everything is open for debate and possibility to be disproven. For it is in that questioning, disprovement or confirmation that you don't only expand your mind. You obliterate the hindrances to the untold possibilities ready to elucidate you mind."Shame he is gone now. I am sure there is no mainstream scientist who would probably backup my personal theory though... I would be honored if this could be proven true; alas however it will take along time to prove. For to me it just makes a lot more logical sense to look at both sides and not just the one and have arrogant scientists who would just say this is the way it is. I am sure no one would walk up to a Time-Lord and say: "I know how time works." Seriously? You a human from 21st century Earth knows the intricacies and nuances of how time works backwards. forwards, sideways and slanted? I'm not normally into video game paraphernalia (not even the games themselves - digital all the way!) but this I would totally buy for my office were it a real thing. I am just glad no one wants a Reaper paper weight.
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Post by DragonRacer on Jan 26, 2017 2:26:47 GMT
I keep seeing the thread as "Intergalactic Fleshlight" and then I'm sad it contains zero Asari. Is there such a thing as subconscious false advertising? Thank God it wasn't just me...
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Post by Arcian on Jan 26, 2017 5:39:42 GMT
I am assuming Andromeda is too far away from the Milky Way for a phone call, but would the people in the milky way be a able to see the settlements in the Andromeda galaxy? It's an interesting idea - two civilisations, able to see each other, but not to visit.Scrap that. I realise now that, because of the distance, it would take hundreds of thousands of years for light to travel from Andromeda to the Milky Way.It would take 2.5 million years, to be exact. At the distances involved you wouldn't be able to discern any interesting differences on Earth. It has looked virtually identical for 50 million years so to discern any meaningful differences on the surface, you would have to travel 50 million light years away.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 26, 2017 5:54:43 GMT
I am assuming Andromeda is too far away from the Milky Way for a phone call, but would the people in the milky way be a able to see the settlements in the Andromeda galaxy? It's an interesting idea - two civilisations, able to see each other, but not to visit.Scrap that. I realise now that, because of the distance, it would take hundreds of thousands of years for light to travel from Andromeda to the Milky Way.At the distances involved you wouldn't be able to discern any interesting differences on Earth. It has looked virtually identical for 50 million years so to discern any meaningful differences on the surface, you would have to travel 50 million light years away. Not really. Too much water where it should not be. More like only 2 million. Forgetting that we traveled to it in 600 years. So the light that left when we did is already behind us. ...Unless you believe as do I: The light has already reached or will soon reach its destination after our arrival from our departure.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jan 26, 2017 7:02:54 GMT
First: This may not be what some scientist believe and if so read the Note to the end. Second: all images that are seen are a form in one way or another of light. Third: Supermassive Black Holes will be called: SMBH hereforth. So if you are looking through a super-futuristic telescope from Andromeda to Earth in the Milky Way galaxy. The light from Earth leaves Earth and is instantly slowed and contorted by the gravitational pull of Sagittarius A (MWG SMBH), local gravity wells and galactic matter and dust. Then once the light has left the restraints of the MW Galaxy; it enters void/empty/dark space. Where it slowly accelerates past the limits of the Milky Ways light speed limit without end till it reaches the perimeter of the Andromeda. At which point the travling beam of light begins to slow down once it encounters the Andromeda's material influence of the Andromeda SMBH. As it passes through and around the objects in the Andromeda to the point of you the viewers' telescope. This is what you see: hdwallsbox.com/wallpapers/m/37/earth-mass-effect-3-reapers-complex-magazine-m36339.jpg+600 YEARS NOTE: In the void/empty/dark space between galaxies it is UNKNOWN how gravity and light react. Void/empty/dark space are a TRUE VACUUM not a PLAIN VACUUM: A PLAIN VACUUM has no matter but IS STILL affected by the nearest gravity well of the nearest planet, star, black hole or SMBH. A TRUE VACUUM has NO matter and IS NOT affected by ANY gravitation pull of any kind.
Some would say that this is wrong and no matter where you go everything is the same. I would grant this if scientists were at this very moment outside the milky way galaxy looking in and saying that. The cold unburden truth is however: that mankind has only ever viewed everything from the Sun's and Sagittarius A gravity wells. The truth about the speed of light and gravity can only truly be told when both viewpoints can be seen and not just hypothesizing one while knowing the other.
The gravitational influence of the SMBH plus the matter of the galaxy itself in which the SMBH resides -is what makes the limits on gravity and light speed throughout said galaxy. This does mean that each galaxy has a different gravity base as well as a speed of light that differs based on the gravitational pull and overall matter in a galaxy. Think of void-space as a Mag-Lev train: -On a normal train gravity -the wheels are in contact with the tracks and are slowed by traction. -On a Mag-Lev train gravity -the wheels are not in contact with the tracks and are not slowed by traction. Well thought-out theory. I like what you have here. Except for one thing: Light is only influenced by gravity in that gravitational wells will deflect light. Light has a constant velocity, regardless of gravity. That's one of the fundamental laws of the universe. Going into a black hole or in the vacuum of space, light has a constant velocity. It does not have inertia. Now there is a theory that at the Big Bang light traveled faster and that's why the universe is as big as it is right now, but that theory is a bit out there. Even in that theory, the speed of light is still independent of gravity. Light also has no acceleration. It reaches it's velocity instantaneously.
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Post by Arcian on Jan 26, 2017 7:46:57 GMT
First: This may not be what some scientist believe and if so read the Note to the end. Second: all images that are seen are a form in one way or another of light. Third: Supermassive Black Holes will be called: SMBH hereforth. So if you are looking through a super-futuristic telescope from Andromeda to Earth in the Milky Way galaxy. The light from Earth leaves Earth and is instantly slowed and contorted by the gravitational pull of Sagittarius A (MWG SMBH), local gravity wells and galactic matter and dust. Then once the light has left the restraints of the MW Galaxy; it enters void/empty/dark space. Where it slowly accelerates past the limits of the Milky Ways light speed limit without end till it reaches the perimeter of the Andromeda. At which point the travling beam of light begins to slow down once it encounters the Andromeda's material influence of the Andromeda SMBH. As it passes through and around the objects in the Andromeda to the point of you the viewers' telescope. This is what you see: hdwallsbox.com/wallpapers/m/37/earth-mass-effect-3-reapers-complex-magazine-m36339.jpg+600 YEARS NOTE: In the void/empty/dark space between galaxies it is UNKNOWN how gravity and light react. Void/empty/dark space are a TRUE VACUUM not a PLAIN VACUUM: A PLAIN VACUUM has no matter but IS STILL affected by the nearest gravity well of the nearest planet, star, black hole or SMBH. A TRUE VACUUM has NO matter and IS NOT affected by ANY gravitation pull of any kind.
Some would say that this is wrong and no matter where you go everything is the same. I would grant this if scientists were at this very moment outside the milky way galaxy looking in and saying that. The cold unburden truth is however: that mankind has only ever viewed everything from the Sun's and Sagittarius A gravity wells. The truth about the speed of light and gravity can only truly be told when both viewpoints can be seen and not just hypothesizing one while knowing the other.
The gravitational influence of the SMBH plus the matter of the galaxy itself in which the SMBH resides -is what makes the limits on gravity and light speed throughout said galaxy. This does mean that each galaxy has a different gravity base as well as a speed of light that differs based on the gravitational pull and overall matter in a galaxy. Think of void-space as a Mag-Lev train: -On a normal train gravity -the wheels are in contact with the tracks and are slowed by traction. -On a Mag-Lev train gravity -the wheels are not in contact with the tracks and are not slowed by traction. At the distances involved you wouldn't be able to discern any interesting differences on Earth. It has looked virtually identical for 50 million years so to discern any meaningful differences on the surface, you would have to travel 50 million light years away. Not really. Too much water where it should not be. More like only 2 million. 2 million years is too short a time for visible changes to appear. The slowest continental plate, the eurasian plate, moves less than 2.5 centimetres per year. The fastest plate, the Cocos plate, moves around 21.5 centimetres per year. That means they would move 50.8 km and 434 km, respectively, in 2 million years. Considering the earth's circumference is 40,075 km, that equals to a continental drift of 0.12% and 1% of the earth's circumference, which is basically nothing. ... using faster-than-light travel. No shit, Sherlock? No, it won't. Your understanding of the universe is critically flawed. I'd suggest you pick up a science text book and educate yourself, but judging by your post history you have an irrational and deep-seated contempt of mainstream science and scientists.
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Post by vynticator on Jan 26, 2017 9:59:45 GMT
First: This may not be what some scientist believe and if so read the Note to the end. Ok, I'm almost certain no scientist believes what you think about light. If you have a unique belief about light, unsupported as it is by, um, evidence, this forum is probably not the best place to float it, and especially not as an answer to the OP. I know, science doesn't work by consensus, but you also don't get to make stuff up about gravity and light's 'acceleration'. No, not even in the Trump era. In fact, it's probably because of that wider issue that I feel obliged to censure you on this point. I don't mean to be rude. But science matters and truth matters, especially as you seem to by trying to assert things about our actual universe rather than just a ME fictional variant. OP: as you've realized, the distances we're talking about would mean you'd need FTL communications to keep links between galaxies. Even in the Mass Effect universe, the FTL travel requires devices placed by a magic precursor race. In Andromeda, I'm not sure about the lore, or why the journey takes 600 years, but taking that to be the case, there are limitations even to the FTL travel speed. I think there would have to be limits to the FTL communication, too. Even with a 600 year lag, instead of a 2.5mill lag, the whole process would be almost worthless.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 27, 2017 6:28:52 GMT
First: This may not be what some scientist believe and if so read the Note to the end. Ok, I'm almost certain no scientist believes what you think about light. If you have a unique belief about light, unsupported as it is by, um, evidence, this forum is probably not the best place to float it, and especially not as an answer to the OP. I know, science doesn't work by consensus, but you also don't get to make stuff up about gravity and light's 'acceleration'. No, not even in the Trump era. In fact, it's probably because of that wider issue that I feel obliged to censure you on this point. I don't mean to be rude. But science matters and truth matters, especially as you seem to by trying to assert things about our actual universe rather than just a ME fictional variant. Granted and no you are not rude. I will be fixing the "acceleration" fiasco below. I know. I know. I stated that acceleration brouhaha trying to explain ten things with one word -not something most people do is it? There were three stages that I had in my head that were supposed to be in that post that didn't even get posted -no matter now since condensed. Also censure is pointless since I didn't intend to "make up" things. I however do like to take the standard thought processes apart in my mind till it is a soup and then turn them inside out and inversed of reality to see what I can make work. Also if you know of a more open-minded to all possibilities forum for such thought that is credible, reliable and willing to listen and ask questions instead of hostile attack. Give me direction and I will post there -eitherway since all the hostility I think I will make sure instead of ever giving my opinion which everyone hates I will just write: "Different thoughts". I am perfectly fine with hostility to my beliefs. Well thought-out theory. I like what you have here. Except for one thing: Light is only influenced by gravity in that gravitational wells will deflect light. Light has a constant velocity, regardless of gravity. That's one of the fundamental laws of the universe. Going into a black hole or in the vacuum of space, light has a constant velocity. It does not have inertia. Now there is a theory that at the Big Bang light traveled faster and that's why the universe is as big as it is right now, but that theory is a bit out there. Even in that theory, the speed of light is still independent of gravity. Light also has no acceleration. It reaches it's velocity instantaneously. Since there are those here who will hate whatever I write that does not correspond to their viewpoint I will go ahead and take the time now to say thank you for your courtesy and respect. Yes. It has a constant velocity and NO acceleration. I goofed up the explanation badly. Trying to talk about how light interacts with matter and said that light slowed downed as it entered matter and sped up as exiting matter then to keep accelerating without limit to the true unknown limit. What I was trying to get across is that light INSIDE a galaxy slows down and bends/distorts {refracts} (that what you mean by deflect?) when interacting with matter and dark matter. Two objects which by their very nature are affected by gravity -even the empty spaces inside galaxies even have ionic particles that will interact with light photonic energy. This is not an issue outside of a galaxy however where there are not any of these hindrances and light can go at the maximum speed afforded to it by the beginning universe. I thought blackholes have the greatest gravity well I thought a black hole eventually captures light and eventually it gets consumed then jettisoned in gamma-ray bursts? Ironically this could explain the galaxies that seem to be moving away faster than the speed of light observed from the Milky-Way. Not really. Too much water where it should not be. More like only 2 million. *video snip* 2 million years is too short a time for visible changes to appear. The slowest continental plate, the eurasian plate, moves less than 2.5 centimetres per year. The fastest plate, the Cocos plate, moves around 21.5 centimetres per year. That means they would move 50.8 km and 434 km, respectively, in 2 million years. Considering the earth's circumference is 40,075 km, that equals to a continental drift of 0.12% and 1% of the earth's circumference, which is basically nothing. ... using faster-than-light travel. No shit, Sherlock? No, it won't. Your understanding of the universe is critically flawed. I'd suggest you pick up a science text book and educate yourself, but judging by your post history you have an irrational and deep-seated contempt of mainstream science and scientists. What exactly in my post history makes you see that I have deep-seated contempt for science? Science to me is the study of something through observation. Many of the scientific "theories" are in reality just hypotheses NOT true theories. A true theory must be observed, experimented and confirmed over and over from start to finish. Not easy if most theories take millennia to complete. What it is that I really don't like are the scientists who claims they have solved theories only to years later go back and have to revise it or say it is a failure. Or the ones who try to dumb science down for the laymen and go to far. As to my view on light and as to why it is not a facsimile see previous post. As to my understanding of the universe. No. It is not critically flawed - I was taught the same teachings in school as most the rest of you. However unlike most people who will accept things outright; -I will never just accept whatever I am told verbatim - I must question it, analyze it, dissect it -no matter what it is. Some people -myself in particular just need viewpoints to be more... universal and to be seen from all points of view at the same time. In this case being able to view light from the Milky-Way and the Andromeda galaxy simultaneously as well as the void-space between. All needs to be viewed separately and at the same time as part of the whole. As to plate tectonics. I only ask that if that is to short a time span for plate moving then would you please explain the ridge lines that look like they were grooved by the plates. It just seems to me that any plate of material that could gouge groves that deep would not take that long or trough created would fill in and not leave such a scar behind?
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