Are we racist for helping the Geth in ME3?

Wait, people actually helped the toasters?

EDI can be the Normandy and still be an individual: one does not exclude the other. This is especially given that, as I recall, EDI inhabits the Normandy in a fashion that, in a sense, makes it the equal to a body for her. To make a fanciful sentence: EDI is the soul, the Normandy is her body.

I'll have to admit I tuned out because of that word. I don't know what it means and didn't bother looking it up right away.

No. That would be like the thing where black people who are well-spoken and well-dressed are told they're "acting white".  It's a ridiculous argument to say that helping the geth is racist.  

I don't wipe them out because they're not like humans. I wipe them out so they don't wipeout the quarians

I never wipe them out just to wipe them out.  If I wipe them out there are two reasons.  One, because I didn't have enough points to enable peace between the geth and the quarians.  It's not even an "I like organics better" thing here.  It's a "geth have killed a lot of organics" and "Tali will be better of if her people live".  Second, I always choose Destroy (except one time when I tried out Synthesis) and there are seriously unfortunate casualties.  Not convinced they can't be restored though I also don't know who would bother.

Then that is arguably racist.

Same here. The biggest example of this homogenizing taking place is when EDI and Legion make mention of how they are "truly alive" once they become more like organics, as if they weren't valid forms of life beforehand. That makes absolutely no sense when you consider that the Geth were able to question the nature their own existence 300+ years prior to getting the Reaper upgrade, and that EDI was a vital part of the crew and had been accepted as such prior to gaining access to a sex-bot body.

This line of thought can also be seen with the more non-human aliens in the games as well. Shepard is broken up about one kid (supposedly) dying, or Thessia falling to the Reapers, his/her squad mates and Normandy crew are shocked and appalled at the Reaper invasion of various speices' home worlds and the prospect of fighting huskified members of said species, but they start cracking wise when fighting the reaperized children of the Rachni. Heck Joker makes a quote from the movie Aliens about nuking the sight from orbit after the Rachni situation and Shepard doesn't bate an eye, but the game is real quick to have him/her jump down Joker's throat after Thessia. Likewise, Shepard is allowed to say that the actions of an indoctrinated Hanar diplomat compromising their home world's defenses is something "They brought upon themselves" or flat out ignore the evacuation requests of the Elcor ambassador, but you can be damn sure the game will have him/her getting all misty eyed over Thessia and Tuchunka. 

I don't had a problem with the EDI/Joker romance. Once Joker had the attachment to EDI, via his feelings about his ship, it simply transferred to the new platform. I'd like to think that if I loved someone and they had a brain transplant to another body that I would still love them. In this respect, Joker probably thought he wasn't capable of having a romantic relationship and then the only thing he cared about suddenly becomes an option.

As for Synthesis, I tend to agree. The husks/banshees/etc must all wish they were dead. Even the Reapers themselves, free of Catalyst control, must realize what a horror show they are - composed of the melted down remains of countless races across the ages. I did read a fanfic in which EDI and the Normandy became separate intelligences. If the Normandy did feel like it's a vegetable I imagine you could remove the AI core and place it in a body. Or, conversely, it may not be looking for human senses and be fine as it is.

Synthesis shows something "shiny, happy" but it doesn't resonate with me. If they don't continue to evolve (and, according to the game, Synthesis is some mystical "end of evolution" point) they will eventually stagnate and die off from lack of change. They may be immortal in a sense but as synthetic beings they can probably shut down. At least, that's how I see it going. It might decades millennia, but there it is. They'd only survive by eventually exploring and interacting with =the horror= organics from other galaxies. Presumably any new species to arise in the Milky Way (or at least in range of the relays and the green magic wave) would have the same properties as those who underwent Synthesis. Or maybe nothing new arises because that would require evolution and, as we know, evolution is done.

Anyway, yeah, not a fan of Synthesis. I find it to be a false happy ending that actually takes away our ability to advance. Even if that were the undeniable end point of evolution, it's more about the getting there than the being there. (The journey, not the destination.) I get why people like it, because they want a paradise ending, but I'd rather be human and forge my own destiny. That said, I'm more than happy to study the remains of the Reapers and their technology to advance organics forward. I think a lot can be taken from it - assuming it doesn't indoctrinate us and have us melting ourselves down to create new Reapers. (It may be better to fling them into stars to completely annihilate them.)

Why? You are assuming they would all think and act exactly like you would think. By that logic there are a lot of animals that should absolutely hate themselves because they regularly pray on animals we as humans think are cute and cuddly and shouldn't be killed.



Based on what information? Our own planet has countless examples of species that haven't evolved in millions of years and were still capable of existing. The only problems happened when we humans start to interfere with their ecosystem and/or food supply. In that case they can't change fast enough to adapt to the rapid changes we impose that happen in decades rather then centuries or millenniums. Horseshoe Crab, Lamprays, Sharks, Turtles, crocodiles. All have done at best minimal evolution for all known fossil record of them.

This concept that they die off because of lack of change has no basis in anything. Even trying to use Mordin's statement as validation ignores that the Collectors were forced into stagnation and even then they continued to exist. Shepard literally blows them up to cause them to die off. I don't think a bomb is part of death by evolutionary stagnation.



How exactly does it take away our ability to advance?

If we were to finally achieve a world peace or at least close to it were open conflict and hating/abusing people because of their skin color, religion, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, etc. The entire point of it was the journey and billions of people who were killed and treated like shit was really the entire point?

Seems fairly...dark to say all those people dying was really the whole point of achieving the end of open conflict and hatred of people based on superficial reasons.

There are many ways to grow and physical evolution is only one of many ways.

Humans have not really physically evolved much for thousands of years. And yet we still have evolved a great deal in that time.

The Geth have not had much of a physical evolution since their creation but they still evolved none the less.

Game directly states the Geth evolved. And they their physical being. Not just mobile platforms have barely changed at all.