Jaal Ama Darav (Official Thread)

Haha no just the "Really? Ryder?"

Love love loved it Gwyvian !

medaifan daaamn I was right about the no bead eh? Fine looking Scott there!      Yeah that area is not only my fav, but recognize it? It's the first image you see when you wake from cryo! It's destined.

pieszka89 they tweaked all the animations in the game. Everyone is more expressive now! Jaal smiles a lot at Sara, etc... no awkward staring anymore when flirting. I've already noticed it with Cora especially. She's got a lot of new expressions!
witchcocktor I love your Ryder's hair style so much!

I woke up so grumpy this morning, and this is exactly what I needed!  Thank you! 

Nice! My attempts with this hair color were laughably pitiful. Congratulations for this success!

That is great. Thank you for info Lady C

Finally finished my run. What a journey. I might as well write down my thoughts on the romance.

Having a romanceable plot-important squadmate was so important. It made going through the game so much more enjoyable. A lot of the game is about exploring and doing it with your romanceable partner creates narrative. Having Jaal watch you die like two times right in front of his eyes, I mean, there's so much story you could write there already. Being plot-important and having a loyalty mission makes your romance seem like a big part of the narrative as well, and really helps flesh out you and your relationship. I felt connected to the story, to my Ryder, to Jaal.. it was really a nice feeling after being stuck with Reyes and Gil, who didn't offer such an experience.

The friendship/companionship options were a good addition, and it made sense. You wouldn't flirt with a completely strange alien the minute you see him, no matter how hot and interesting he is. The fact that you spend a portion of the romance developing trust and friendship added a layer to the romance that made the progress of the relationship more realistic. Slowburn is one of my favorite things, although it got frustrating after a while, only being able to bond on a platonic level, but when you got that first heart option, I was so hype. It was all worth the wait and effort, and that first flirt was hella, HELLA cute.

What made Scott x Jaal groundbreaking to me, was the open admiration and love Jaal has for Scott. He pined for me as much as I pined for him, and having him confess his feelings to me, I am really, really happy about that. Most m/m BW romances start with sex, and the romance aspect comes afterwards. But this time, it's a natural progression from friendship to flirting to lovers and finally, a fully commited, emotional and sexual relationships, where both people are equally invested. What was also nice was getting compliments. That's something that was missing in a lot of m/m romances as well. Jaal spares no time telling you how amazing and attractive you are, and it made me so happy. I like being complimented and I like real romantic romance. And this is the first time a m/m romance has given me both, and it is very apparent. And an all-around happy ending feels so good.. DLC better not fuck that up.

I'm also really happy that Jaal is definitely attracted to Scott sexually, and this is not just an emotional relationship. The email after the sex scene, he compliments your eyes, your arms and your mouth. Funnily two of those are very important in terms of giving sexual pleasure to someone lol.

When it comes to how Scott x Jaal is represented, and how the romance takes Scott's personality in consideration, I think everyone is going to have a different opinion on it. My personal take on Scott x Jaal, without knowing how different it really is from Sara's because I haven't watched that romance, is this: Scott and Jaal start from natural curiosity and wanting to build trust and companionship. I feel that they are both awkward at this point, and for a reason. After establishing trust and a friendship, Scott takes the drivers seat in their relationship, and Jaal kind of comes off as a giggling schoolboy, taken back by Scott's flirtation. Scott is a smooth talker, and I don't think Jaal was expecting such open flirtation from Scott at all, maybe because he thought aliens weren't as open with their feelings like the angara. I don't think it has anything to do with Scott being a dude, or that this is the first time Jaal is interested in a man. But it's Scott, his smoothness and him being so upfront that probably throws Jaal a bit off, even though he is receptive to Scott's flirts.

As their relationship develops and it's not just casual flirts anymore, but real feelings, Jaal takes initiative and confesses to wanting more, all while still retaining that kind of... innocence and submissiveness that he has had with Scott. He confesses, and is overjoyed that the feelings are mutual. That little victorious '' YES!! '' he has after Scott agreeing to a serious relationship with Jaal was honestly, darn cute. Afterwards, Jaal definitely takes some initiative in the relationship. Even Scott is happy how open Jaal is with him with his feelings after they enter a relationship.

The sex scene showcased a slight change of roles in their relationship, at least a little. The relationship started with Scott being more dominant, but now Jaal showcases his dominant side as well. Scott, while still not being a giggling schoolboy, is definitely fine with taking the more submissive role and letting Jaal swoon him and pamper him. But that of course lasts only so long and Scott is ready to ravage and be ravaged, pushing Jaal down with him into the water.

The relationships ends up being really passionated, and it does feel very mature, without skipping out on the cheesy romance, awkwardness and playfulness. I spit my drink when I was watching the post-sex discussion where they were both playfully calling each other '' the alien '' and then Jaal says that he wants to devour Scott. So it's not all serious feels, there is some playfulness (and obvious sexual affection) in there. I think Scott and Jaal bring out different sides out of each other than both of them didn't really know that existed.

Their relationship has so much mutual passion and pining, and it is very balanced, and it really feels like two aliens falling in love and two adult men falling in love. It doesn't skip out on drama, cheesiness, romance, sex, emotions... It's a very, very positive portrayal of m/m relationships, and a very healthy emotional and physical/sexual relationship. And thank god for that.

There are only two cons I've found.
1) This relationship should've been in the game from the beginning.
2) Not a big con, but I think it would've been neat if Jaal had Scott in his arms, but since the relationship is pretty balanced on who takes the more '' dominant '' role, it's fine.

All in all, 5/5 husband, 5/5 romance, 5/5 addition to the game. Thanks BW!

witchcocktor

I'm happy you love Jaal and I'm happy you got your gaylien!

Getting a gaylien is a big deal on its own but one who's romance you enjoy so much I'm sure it makes it better.

I know you guys don't need to hear it from me of all people (who has never been shy about my support for Bi Jaal and my gay agenda ) but I and SOOOO happy for this and everyone who's happy about this!

I'm salty guys, I'm trying to roleplay my Ryder as a peaceful out cast and I didn't shoot the Kett first time in counter but Ryder is claiming she didn't try a peaceful approach!m when she met Cora after the crash so I had to start over

I'm more than sure it wasn't the fact that people were sharing their love for Jaal that was the problem. It was doing it amidst people having hurt feelings and in the middle of all the homophobic crap people had to deal with when MakeJaalBi hashtag started up. And most of those people gushing about jaal were the same people claiming bisexuality would ruin him (including you) so yeah, seeing those people gush about him when they're advocating the bisexuality they wanted would ruin him, or even the people who were just homophobic turd bags gush about him in the middle of being upset, there would be some hostility.

And I don't need to remind you of the people you were protecting being homophobic and starting mess. It wasn't as though it wasn't warranted entirely

Well, right now it looks like you're painting yourself as the victim when no one but yourself decided to write all that nonsense you once put out there.

You shouldn't be put out that no one is being salty towards Jaal/Scott players like it was towards some Sara and Jaal players because it's not true. It was those who were being disgusting that got that treatment. My friends who all wanted Jaal and Scott never acted that way towards me because I was supportive. They were happy for me and glad I enjoyed it.

Whether or not you mean to blame Bioware or ME team whatever, you respect the reaction people gave YOU as did the 'straight female players' who were being jerks about the situation. It's honesty NOT Bioware' fault in that regard. Not implementing BI Jaal at first? Absolutely their fault. Hostility and anger towards certain players gushing about bi Jaal after saying things like gays don't deserve anything, or that Jaal is 'always going to be straight to me' or those who are were homophobic is On the people who started talking nasty.

Yeah if you start a new game, you'll see lots of new things! BW is keeping their word on a lot of things and we still have more patches to come, and hopefully more bugs that can be fixed!

Nope, it's not healthy. By voicing your "feelings" you're hurting others by your false statements (people who were treated like crap the most are m/m players who had to deal with homophobic and biphobic comments. Some of them were written by "friends" who were defended by you for no reason). And by writing a post like this you're showing that you're still holding a grudge against people who only wanted equal treatment by making Jaal bi.

It's better to let it go, but noooo.