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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 20:37:29 GMT
I'm asking Fryda if her J'all reply was a joke or not. If not then we have our answer.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 30, 2017 20:38:36 GMT
It doesn't make any sense for the J to be pronounced as Y. Why would the in-game translation software do that when there's no cultural or historical reason on our part to do so? J are normally only Ys in English due to defaulting to that language's use of the Latin alphabet, but that clearly shouldn't be the case for Andromedans. The double-a means it's a long a, so the a in Bra or Father but longer. Gonna assume they have their own alphabet and what we use is a translation. Doi. How do you thinl the laguage barrier is overcome with the Angarans? I literally can't think of a scenario where it happens quickly and easily. I know the Nexus got there before the arks did and shit went down there. Enough for Sloane Kelly to be hanging around in a little port that also has Angarans in it. Could it be they already have a limited understanding of english? That being said the lady Angaran in the last trailer kinda made it out like they'd not really seen humans before. But I suppose that could just be because they were on their homeworld (?) That's my guess. Humans have been here for several years before we arrive. Intelligent aliens who know what's up (and who care about diplomacy and trade) probably learned the language asap.
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Post by jjdxb on Jan 30, 2017 20:55:32 GMT
It doesn't make any sense for the J to be pronounced as Y. Why would the in-game translation software do that when there's no cultural or historical reason on our part to do so? J are normally only Ys in English due to defaulting to that language's use of the Latin alphabet, but that clearly shouldn't be the case for Andromedans. The double-a means it's a long a, so the a in Bra or Father but longer. Unless they use J for spelling the way, say, the Polish do to transcribe "Ya" as in Jarek, or the wide variety of potential consonants the Chinese transcribe via Q, Z and X, because it is not a letter-based language. I don't know if BioWARE is still creating synthetic languages the way they did in Jade Empire, I don't think so, but well, you never know. It doesn't make any sense for the J to be pronounced as Y. Why would the in-game translation software do that when there's no cultural or historical reason on our part to do so? J are normally only Ys in English due to defaulting to that language's use of the Latin alphabet, but that clearly shouldn't be the case for Andromedans. The double-a means it's a long a, so the a in Bra or Father but longer. Gonna assume they have their own alphabet and what we use is a translation. Doi. If the Angarans use their equivalent of J, that would require them to have gone through exactly the same process as the Latin alphabet did in order for that to be the case, which is a little too hard to believe. And even if that was the case, I'd have to ask why an English based translator (and it's likely being done from our side, not like Chinese, who are themselves responsible for Pinyin) use the letter J to stand for the sound Y when we already have a dedicated letter for that? Especially when you consider we normally hear and not see languages first before we transcribe them. We in English only use J to stand for Ys in Slavic and Germanic words because they were already using that letter in Latin for that sound. For example, look at how we transcribe Russian. We don't use the letter J to mean Y, even though we leave the Polish and Czech J alone. Юрий is Yuri, not Juri.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 20:57:24 GMT
While joking about who voices Vetra in the MEA Twitter thread, we started talking about Argonians in The Elder Scrolls, and I realized why Angaran sounded so familiar to me. Only diff is Argonians are reptiles!
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Post by feainn on Jan 30, 2017 20:58:06 GMT
At least I'm not the only one who's extremely thirsty for Jaal...
(Hi, hello. It's been a while since I was on the old forum. Glad to see it's back!)
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Post by Joey on Jan 30, 2017 21:06:40 GMT
All I know for sure is I hope Jaal (if he is one of the m/m options) has a happy ending. I'm still mad about the Dorian ending in Trespasser. "Love ya, but I'm leaving you. We'll skype on a crystal...later bitch!" v.v Actually Dorian's inability to ever be serious during the romance scenes was a huge turn off in general-but that's off topic so..back to business. Jaal does have some similar things about him to Garrus, but he is a lot better looking! Having lips is a must for me, and thus he won that war out of the gate. I wish I could like your post more than once. Most M/M romances in BW games were non-serious. I'm tired of this. Give me something normal, BioWare! Now i demand 2 serious romances as a compensation for Inquisition's IB and Dorian.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 21:06:50 GMT
At least I'm not the only one who's extremely thirsty for Jaal... (Hi, hello. It's been a while since I was on the old forum. Glad to see it's back!) Welcome fellow Jaal fan
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Post by Crim on Jan 30, 2017 21:08:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 21:12:29 GMT
Yeah I was afraid that would happen
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Post by Panda on Jan 30, 2017 21:16:02 GMT
I'm not too into serious characters personally. But I'd like if Jaal became kind of rival character to Ryder, someone that challenged you and didn't warm up easily. Kind of someone you want to impress.
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Post by Pon.ee on Jan 30, 2017 21:18:41 GMT
Unless they use J for spelling the way, say, the Polish do to transcribe "Ya" as in Jarek, or the wide variety of potential consonants the Chinese transcribe via Q, Z and X, because it is not a letter-based language. I don't know if BioWARE is still creating synthetic languages the way they did in Jade Empire, I don't think so, but well, you never know. Gonna assume they have their own alphabet and what we use is a translation. Doi. If the Angarans use their equivalent of J, that would require them to have gone through exactly the same process as the Latin alphabet did in order for that to be the case, which is a little too hard to believe. And even if that was the case, I'd have to ask why an English based translator (and it's likely being done from our side, not like Chinese, who are themselves responsible for Pinyin) use the letter J to stand for the sound Y when we already have a dedicated letter for that? Especially when you consider we normally hear and not see languages first before we transcribe them. We in English only use J to stand for Ys in Slavic and Germanic words because they were already using that letter in Latin for that sound. For example, look at how we transcribe Russian. We don't use the letter J to mean Y, even though we leave the Polish and Czech J alone. Юрий is Yuri, not Juri. I think you're taking this faaaaar too seriously. It's a J because Bioware chose that name. People have already said that it means something in a particular language so why not just take it as it is?
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Post by feainn on Jan 30, 2017 21:19:51 GMT
At least I'm not the only one who's extremely thirsty for Jaal... (Hi, hello. It's been a while since I was on the old forum. Glad to see it's back!) Welcome fellow Jaal fan Thank you! And I've gotta ask, who's the pretty boy in your avatar?
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Post by Artemis on Jan 30, 2017 21:21:08 GMT
If the Angarans use their equivalent of J, that would require them to have gone through exactly the same process as the Latin alphabet did in order for that to be the case, which is a little too hard to believe. And even if that was the case, I'd have to ask why an English based translator (and it's likely being done from our side, not like Chinese, who are themselves responsible for Pinyin) use the letter J to stand for the sound Y when we already have a dedicated letter for that? Especially when you consider we normally hear and not see languages first before we transcribe them. We in English only use J to stand for Ys in Slavic and Germanic words because they were already using that letter in Latin for that sound. For example, look at how we transcribe Russian. We don't use the letter J to mean Y, even though we leave the Polish and Czech J alone. Юрий is Yuri, not Juri. I think you're taking this faaaaar too seriously. It's a J because Bioware chose that name. People have already said that it means something in a particular language so why not just take it as it is? They're not wrong though lol I find linguistics fascinating, too. One would hope a sci-fi video game series would put serious thought into the languages (including the naming systems) of the species they've created.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 30, 2017 21:22:25 GMT
Welcome fellow Jaal fan Thank you! And I've gotta ask, who's the pretty boy in your avatar? Youngling alert! I think that is James Dean...?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 21:22:45 GMT
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Post by Artemis on Jan 30, 2017 21:24:25 GMT
I'm not too into serious characters personally. But I'd like if Jaal became kind of rival character to Ryder, someone that challenged you and didn't warm up easily. Kind of someone you want to impress. I don't want him to be serious; I want him to take the relationship seriously. It's kind of a complicated distinction, sorry, probably am not explaining it well Hmm, as for me, I kind of want him to feel immediate curiosity/attraction to Ryder but to not be obvious about it. I'm going for the amused older lover (a.k.a. Solas) trope again lol! #sorrynotsorry #atleastthisonescanon
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Post by Pon.ee on Jan 30, 2017 21:24:35 GMT
I think you're taking this faaaaar too seriously. It's a J because Bioware chose that name. People have already said that it means something in a particular language so why not just take it as it is? They're not wrong though lol I find linguistics fascinating, too. One would hope a sci-fi video game series would put serious thought into the languages (including the naming systems) of the species they've created. Have they actually created a language for them though? I imagine we'll hear words from their language and maybe phrases like with the Quarians and their Bosh'tets but I don't think really they've fleshed out a language. (Except Qunlat) I found it really funny in the trilogy that when Thane says siha Shep is like "my translator is glitching". But at keelah se'lai no one bats an eye.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 30, 2017 21:25:32 GMT
They're not wrong though lol I find linguistics fascinating, too. One would hope a sci-fi video game series would put serious thought into the languages (including the naming systems) of the species they've created. Have they actually created a language for them though? I imagine we'll hear words from their language and maybe phrases like with the Quarians and their Bosh'tets but I don't think really they've fleshed out a language. (Except Qunlat) I found it really funny in the trilogy that when Thane says siha Shep is like "my translator is glitching". But at keelah se'lai no one bats an eye. Yeah, hate lazy sci-fi like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 21:26:57 GMT
Unless they use J for spelling the way, say, the Polish do to transcribe "Ya" as in Jarek, or the wide variety of potential consonants the Chinese transcribe via Q, Z and X, because it is not a letter-based language. I don't know if BioWARE is still creating synthetic languages the way they did in Jade Empire, I don't think so, but well, you never know. Gonna assume they have their own alphabet and what we use is a translation. Doi. If the Angarans use their equivalent of J, that would require them to have gone through exactly the same process as the Latin alphabet did in order for that to be the case, which is a little too hard to believe. And even if that was the case, I'd have to ask why an English based translator (and it's likely being done from our side, not like Chinese, who are themselves responsible for Pinyin) use the letter J to stand for the sound Y when we already have a dedicated letter for that? Especially when you consider we normally hear and not see languages first before we transcribe them. We in English only use J to stand for Ys in Slavic and Germanic words because they were already using that letter in Latin for that sound. For example, look at how we transcribe Russian. We don't use the letter J to mean Y, even though we leave the Polish and Czech J alone. Юрий is Yuri, not Juri. You've just demonstrated the complexity of using Roman script for rendering foreign languages (even lettered). It is all about conventions. If I am told that Angaran convention calls for Jaal to be read with the first "j" as in Jaheira, I'll do that. We'll probably see his transcribed name in the codex. In the past Bio's voice actors did pronounce some of the "fantasy" names in different fashions, depending on which actor read the script. It even landed a bit of aucenticity to it, and I don't mind it. Obviously, I would have loved it if we saw a lot more bacroom stuff created for Andromeda races than makes it into codecies, but I understand why not. I do love it, when BioWare stylizes their speech like with Voss.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 21:27:26 GMT
My first thought when I saw him was he might be a snob who thinks he's superior to the Pathfinder and wishes to use them for his own advantages, but then things chance as he gets caught up in their adventures.
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Post by feainn on Jan 30, 2017 21:29:06 GMT
Of course it is, how could I not realise?! Artemis; not too young, just blind!
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Post by Pon.ee on Jan 30, 2017 21:29:38 GMT
My first thought when I saw him was he might be a snob who thinks he's superior to the Pathfinder and wishes to use them for his own advantages, but then things chance as he gets caught up in their adventures. He can use me any day
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Jan 30, 2017 21:41:34 GMT
The more I look at Jaal the more I can see the attraction. He's definitely attractive and I'm curious about his voice and character.
Everyone who knows me from old bsn will know that I want everyone to get the love interest they want so I'm hoping if he is an LI (which seems likely unless it was confirmed), I hope he is bi!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 21:45:05 GMT
The more I look at Jaal the more I can see the attraction. He's definitely attractive and I'm curious about his voice and character. Everyone who knows me from old bsn will know that I want everyone to get the love interest they want so I'm hoping if he is an LI (which seems likely unless it was confirmed), I hope he is bi! So far there are unconfirmed rumors he is bi, and also in this trailer at 39 and 49 seconds we think that's him talking
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Post by Yaslana on Jan 30, 2017 21:50:39 GMT
He has lips, Garrus didn't - bonus! Hrmmmm kisses
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