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Post by sandalisthemaker on Feb 24, 2017 22:17:52 GMT
Fryda has some nice words for those who feel left out/marginalized in the game: 🚀Fryda Wolff@frydawolff On this day Mass Effect: Andromeda goes gold, I'd like to present a wanky self-aggrandizing thread where I say a few words. About myself. 🚀Fryda Wolff @frydawolff@frydawolff I hope Andromeda takes you to places where you feel as included and considered as you deserve to be. I hope I do right by you. 🚀Fryda Wolff@frydawolff @frydawolff Because BioWare wants you to project whatever sort of person you want to be and look like, the fan base as a result is as varied 🚀Fryda Wolff@frydawolff @frydawolff BioWare games don't set limits on what kind of person you can be to play, nor what kind of person you can be in game. 🚀Fryda Wolff@frydawolff @frydawolff This is important. By trying to control the protagonist, you control the audience. And small scope means small audience. 🚀Fryda Wolff@frydawolff @frydawolff So instead of being honored to be your protagonist, I feel responsible as your protagonist. I have a responsibility to your view 🚀Fryda Wolff@frydawolff @frydawolff Between seeing the sheer variety of both followers and the limitless Ryders artists have sketched out, I think I get it now. 🚀Fryda Wolff@frydawolff @frydawolff I hope whoever you are and wherever you come from, especially if you feel marginalized and left out, you matter here.🚀Fryda Wolff@frydawolff @frydawolff That's it, that's what I wanted to say. I see you and I hear you and I'm thinking of you, too. Keep on spacing. 🚀🌈💖
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@frydawolff as a young black woman who loves the ME series primarily bc it allows me to create a hero who looks like me, this means so much 🚀Fryda Wolff @frydawolffRepresentation matters. Always has, always will. Too bad Fryda isn't a dev or one of the squadmate's writers.
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Post by not so salty shark on Feb 24, 2017 22:32:12 GMT
People can change. It's been, what, around 6-7 years since he said that about ME3? I'm not asking you to forgive and forget, only to try to see the potential that things might have gotten better. I don't blame you for being pessimistic one bit. I was late to the ME party (played the first time in 2014,) but I'm very familiar with the history. Including stuff about the ME team saying that Shepard couldn't get gay and things like that. It was more of shady jab really, I'm way over ME3 drama (5 years c'mon) Doesn't mean I'm just gonna nod and blindly buy what sounds like pre-emptive excuses for potentially obvious imbalance and the reasons for one. Taking "we'll see about that" approach, what info is coming out right now definitely doesn't make me optimistic, nor their refusal to even tweet a funny "Maaaaaaybe" gif to any squad m/m romance questions like they do for anything else. Looks just fishy Indeed. Their general avoidance of such questions really sounds the alarm that players who wish to engage in M/M squad mate romance are out of luck. The "we didn't want a video gamey feel to the romances" (in a video game LOL ) especially made me roll my eyeballs so hard I nearly fell out of my seat. Perhaps I'm speaking from the minority, but "player sexual" LIs really was the way to go and they shouldn't have let people moan it away from all future games with their cries of "UNREALISTIC!!!!" (again, in a video game LOL ) Like I said, if they chose to take that page from the original trilogy and neglect gay male romance in Andromeda I will help send a message to them by not giving them a single penny of my money. It's really just that simple.
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Post by sandalisthemaker on Feb 24, 2017 22:41:20 GMT
It was more of shady jab really, I'm way over ME3 drama (5 years c'mon) Doesn't mean I'm just gonna nod and blindly buy what sounds like pre-emptive excuses for potentially obvious imbalance and the reasons for one. Taking "we'll see about that" approach, what info is coming out right now definitely doesn't make me optimistic, nor their refusal to even tweet a funny "Maaaaaaybe" gif to any squad m/m romance questions like they do for anything else. Looks just fishy The "we didn't want a video gamey feel to the romances" (in a video game LOL ) especially made me roll my eyeballs so hard I nearly fell out of my seat. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Tom Taylorson mentioned something to this effect, and not a dev. Which is why I didn't get annoyed by the comment. Honestly, though, Fryda basically put the ME devs to shame IMO. With those handful of tweets, she came across as compassionate and understanding, unlike the utter callousness of the devs regarding concerned gay fans. Fans who have every right to be concerned considering ME's track record with gay and bisexual male squadmate LIs.
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Post by Salty Drell on Feb 24, 2017 22:43:57 GMT
It was more of shady jab really, I'm way over ME3 drama (5 years c'mon) Doesn't mean I'm just gonna nod and blindly buy what sounds like pre-emptive excuses for potentially obvious imbalance and the reasons for one. Taking "we'll see about that" approach, what info is coming out right now definitely doesn't make me optimistic, nor their refusal to even tweet a funny "Maaaaaaybe" gif to any squad m/m romance questions like they do for anything else. Looks just fishy Indeed. Their general avoidance of such questions really sounds the alarm that players who wish to engage in M/M squad mate romance are out of luck. The "we didn't want a video gamey feel to the romances" (in a video game LOL ) especially made me roll my eyeballs so hard I nearly fell out of my seat. Perhaps I'm speaking from the minority, but "player sexual" LIs really was the way to go and they shouldn't have let people moan it away from all future games with their cries of "UNREALISTIC!!!!" (again, in a video game LOL ) Like I said, if they chose to take that page from the original trilogy and neglect gay male romance in Andromeda I will help send a message to them by not giving them a single penny of my money. It's really just that simple. I'm with you on this, just except that if there's no m/m romance in the squad I'll still buy, but I won't pay full price.
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Post by Suaimhneas on Feb 24, 2017 22:45:27 GMT
It was more of shady jab really, I'm way over ME3 drama (5 years c'mon) Doesn't mean I'm just gonna nod and blindly buy what sounds like pre-emptive excuses for potentially obvious imbalance and the reasons for one. Taking "we'll see about that" approach, what info is coming out right now definitely doesn't make me optimistic, nor their refusal to even tweet a funny "Maaaaaaybe" gif to any squad m/m romance questions like they do for anything else. Looks just fishy Indeed. Their general avoidance of such questions really sounds the alarm that players who wish to engage in M/M squad mate romance are out of luck. The "we didn't want a video gamey feel to the romances" (in a video game LOL ) especially made me roll my eyeballs so hard I nearly fell out of my seat. Perhaps I'm speaking from the minority, but "player sexual" LIs really was the way to go and they shouldn't have let people moan it away from all future games with their cries of "UNREALISTIC!!!!" (again, in a video game LOL ) Like I said, if they chose to take that page from the original trilogy and neglect gay male romance in Andromeda I will help send a message to them by not giving them a single penny of my money. It's really just that simple. I truly don't understand the reluctance to at least acknowledge people's concerns. If we're a small enough minority that they feel like they can neglect us, why worry about offending us? Marketing or press I guess, backlash isn't as cumbersome when you already have people's money and the ability to say 'but next time!'.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 24, 2017 22:46:24 GMT
www.pcgamer.com/mass-effect-andromeda-lead-designer-ian-frazier-on-fulfilling-the-promise-of-mass-effect-1/?utm_content=bufferd2572&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=buffer-pcgamertwIn the beginning when we looked at the default character profiles, you talked about having different representation in there. How does that extend to the rest of the game in terms of depictions of romances, relationships between the player character and the aliens, between genders?We learned a lot from Dragon Age: Inquisition in that respect. Something that I think that team did very well was having a variety of different kinds of romances. And I mean that both in the sense of different sexual orientations, but also in how they're portrayed. You had everything from Josephine, the Disney princess romance, to the explicitly sexual Iron Bull, and some other ones like that. We've tried to do something similar. We have sort of a range of different options, in terms of the tone, the feeling of the romances you can pursue, and also there are ones that are more like flings, and ones that are more serious, and ones that are flings that could be serious depending on the choices you make. So we tried to have that mix, in conjunction with, of course, making sure that really everybody is represented to an extent. There are gay romances in the game, there are bisexual romances in the game, and so forth.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 24, 2017 22:49:22 GMT
Indeed. Their general avoidance of such questions really sounds the alarm that players who wish to engage in M/M squad mate romance are out of luck. The "we didn't want a video gamey feel to the romances" (in a video game LOL ) especially made me roll my eyeballs so hard I nearly fell out of my seat. Perhaps I'm speaking from the minority, but "player sexual" LIs really was the way to go and they shouldn't have let people moan it away from all future games with their cries of "UNREALISTIC!!!!" (again, in a video game LOL ) Like I said, if they chose to take that page from the original trilogy and neglect gay male romance in Andromeda I will help send a message to them by not giving them a single penny of my money. It's really just that simple. I truly don't understand the reluctance to at least acknowledge people's concerns. If we're a small enough minority that they feel like they can neglect us, why worry about offending us? Marketing or press I guess, backlash isn't as cumbersome when you already have people's money and the ability to say 'but next time!'. If they made an official announcement, even via tweet: "Sorry, there are no m/m romances in the main squad, but (blah blah blah bullshit response)" the press would likely be all over it. Even those who playtested it don't know for certain there are no m/m squad mates. But a definitive statement like that? What journalist wouldn't be licking their chops at such a thing?
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Post by Ianamus on Feb 24, 2017 22:56:53 GMT
I truly don't understand the reluctance to at least acknowledge people's concerns. If we're a small enough minority that they feel like they can neglect us, why worry about offending us? Marketing or press I guess, backlash isn't as cumbersome when you already have people's money and the ability to say 'but next time!'. If they made an official announcement, even via tweet: "Sorry, there are no m/m romances in the main squad, but (blah blah blah bullshit response)" the press would likely be all over it. Even those who playtested it don't know for certain there are no m/m squad mates. But a definitive statement like that? What journalist wouldn't be licking their chops at such a thing? They'll be doing that after release regardless. If they knew it would cause a stir then they just shouldn't have done it in the first place!
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Post by davkar on Feb 24, 2017 22:59:20 GMT
Quick backstory: I posted about this in one of the non-spoiler romance topics a while ago. While my male characters are obviously governed by my own rl preferences I have no trouble playing a female character. As I said there my very first, aka explorer playthroughs are the ones where the pc is 'me' (not really, just in first instinct LI and 'obvious good' choices in major quests). For the rest I'm a director-writer-viewer player. I like the female pcs too and I have no trouble romancing a guy. I don't feel gay doing that since my preference in those are the romance arc themselves and the performances. Garrus-FemShep is perfect and I liked the tears at the end of the Solasmance. Yes yes, but why is this important? Well after hearing his voice in the briefing today my interest in Liam just dropped to 30%. His personality might fix it, but since I have absolutely no interest in 'High Noon' (my nickname for Jaal, look at his poncho ) I don't really see any other viable options for Sara. So now the only option is either a hypocritesexual romance with PB/Lexi or a lonely cold-hearted getshirtdone badass birch.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 24, 2017 23:06:34 GMT
Some of the way the ME team are revealing the romances reminds me a bit too much of DA:I's marketing and not in a good way. They nickle and dimed out the information to the point where fans were damned near going crazy. Some romances were revealed, but not their sexualities. Others had their sexualities revealed, but not their name or whether or not they were considered party members. I will admit the character thread "prayer circles" were funny. "Please, let X be a romance/sexuality of my choice." I'm not judging fans for that though, since I was doing that for a bit with one character as well.
Doing this same bizarre tactic to the gay/bi male fans of the ME series feels like a poorly thoughtout move to me. Out of all of the various fanbases of BioWare games, gay/bi men that are ME fans have had the least amount of regard in terms of romances. The ME team hasn't instilled a lot of faith into gay/bi men in the past, and this isn't helping as far as I can see. The one plus side (and it's a small one) is that this won't drag out for months.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 24, 2017 23:11:48 GMT
Some of the way they are revealing the romances reminds me a bit too much of DA:I and not in a good way. They nickle and dimed out the information to the point where fans were damned near going crazy. Some romances were revealed, but not their sexualities. Others had their sexualities revealed, but not their name or whether or not they were considered party members. I will admit the fan-thread "prayer circles" were funny. "Please, let X be a romance/sexuality of my choice." I'm not judging fans for that though, since I was doing that for a bit with one character as well. Doing this same bizarre tactic to the gay/bi male fans of the ME series feels like a poorly thought-out move to me. Out of all of the various fanbases of BioWare games, gay/bi men that are ME fans have had the least amount of regard. The ME team hasn't instilled a lot of faith into gay/bi men, and this isn't helping as far as I can see. I understand your point, although they aren't going to confirm other romances as well, even Peebee being interested in girls after we knew about her background. The part where I agree with you is that we knew we'd get romances for straight men, straight women and lesbian (since Peebee was announced) in the team. People expected the same for gay men, but since the recent worrying leaks, I'd say it'd have been nice from Bioware devs (not Tom) if they straight out say there's a romance for gay men in the squad. Or denying that, in the opposite case.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 23:12:28 GMT
I couldn't agree with you more, Nat. It's just really poorly thought out and confirms my suspicion that the new ME team is not any more gay male friendly than the previous one. It's almost cruel how they are confirming straight romances, teasing straight and lesbian romances, and then telling gay males that they aren't discussing romances because they want us to experience it in game. Combine that with the fact that gay males are almost certainly not getting a squad romance (and the only one of the four main groups to do so), and it's not a pretty look. I'm waiting to see if I like the m/m options before I get too salty. There's a solid chance that I'll love them. Steve and Kaidan are both great romances, in my opinion. But I'll definitely make my dissatisfaction at this process and their general approach to m/m content known at some point.
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Post by Kimberly on Feb 24, 2017 23:12:50 GMT
Some of the way the ME team are revealing the romances reminds me a bit too much of DA:I's marketing and not in a good way. They nickle and dimed out the information to the point where fans were damned near going crazy. Some romances were revealed, but not their sexualities. Others had their sexualities revealed, but not their name or whether or not they were considered party members. I will admit the character thread "prayer circles" were funny. "Please, let X be a romance/sexuality of my choice." I'm not judging fans for that though, since I was doing that for a bit with one character as well. Doing this same bizarre tactic to the gay/bi male fans of the ME series feels like a poorly thoughtout move to me. Out of all of the various fanbases of BioWare games, gay/bi men that are ME fans have had the least amount of regard in terms of romances. The ME team hasn't instilled a lot of faith into gay/bi men in the past, and this isn't helping as far as I can see. The one plus side (and it's a small one) is that this won't drag out for months. I know. As a straight woman, it's been easier on me. I don't like the way they've handle the gay/bi romance info. Straight people are guaranteed to get options, multiple options. It they were gonna release any romance info, it should be gay/bi options.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 24, 2017 23:18:38 GMT
On the plus side, at least bi/gay men know that there is a guy for them on the Tempest.
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Post by Kimberly on Feb 24, 2017 23:21:11 GMT
On the plus side, at least bi/gay men know that there is a guy for them on the Tempest. You're still in the dark on who is or can be an asexual romance.
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Post by Ianamus on Feb 24, 2017 23:22:16 GMT
On the plus side, at least bi/gay men know that there is a guy for them on the Tempest. It's not much of a plus when pretty much everybody else has at least 2-3 on the squad and multiple aliens, and a gay Scott gets one guy on the ship. We always knew there would be at least one bi/gay male LI on the crew, and this the absolute worst scenario there could possibly have been knowing that. I'ts almost certain there's at least one romance that doesn't require sex on the crew at this point, so you'll probably be fine. None of the leaks have suggested otherwise, either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 23:22:39 GMT
This honestly sucks. As a straight woman I get Jaal, but all my male friends who want him don't and it's breaking my heart and making it harder to look forward to it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 23:26:39 GMT
They might as well just confirm Gil at this point. There are only five guys on the ship (Liam, Jaal, Drack, Kallo, & Gil). We know that one of them is gay/bi. There's mounting evidence that it's not Liam, Jaal, or Drack. Kallo is a salarian, so likely asexual. And Gil can flirt with Scott in the reviews. Just come out and confirm him already. Give us information about him. Show us a picture of him. Talk about his character. Give us an idea of how important he is to the plot. Instead, they literally highlight every guy EXCEPT for Gil. Just fucked up shit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 23:28:23 GMT
Yeah Gil really enjoyed Scott flirting with him!
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 24, 2017 23:28:42 GMT
It is weird that we don't know like, anything about this elusive Gil. Really just stinks of completely irrelevant character whose sole purpose is to be a gay romance (if even that).
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Post by Kian on Feb 24, 2017 23:29:30 GMT
It was more of shady jab really, I'm way over ME3 drama (5 years c'mon) Doesn't mean I'm just gonna nod and blindly buy what sounds like pre-emptive excuses for potentially obvious imbalance and the reasons for one. Taking "we'll see about that" approach, what info is coming out right now definitely doesn't make me optimistic, nor their refusal to even tweet a funny "Maaaaaaybe" gif to any squad m/m romance questions like they do for anything else. Looks just fishy Indeed. Their general avoidance of such questions really sounds the alarm that players who wish to engage in M/M squad mate romance are out of luck. The "we didn't want a video gamey feel to the romances" (in a video game LOL ) especially made me roll my eyeballs so hard I nearly fell out of my seat. Perhaps I'm speaking from the minority, but "player sexual" LIs really was the way to go and they shouldn't have let people moan it away from all future games with their cries of "UNREALISTIC!!!!" (again, in a video game LOL ) Like I said, if they chose to take that page from the original trilogy and neglect gay male romance in Andromeda I will help send a message to them by not giving them a single penny of my money. It's really just that simple. Yeah I'm in the same boat. At this point with all the info coming I lost all interest. I'm just waiting for confirmation (the data mining that comes with the pre-access) but I lost all my enthusiasm. Great strategy Bioware. Defending Bioware as often as possible in the forums and praising them to my friends really seems stupid at the moment on my part. But oh well. I'll still support the Dragon Age part of Bioware, at least they aren't making a conscious effort to exclude MM content, while at the same time stringing along people like me trying to trick them into buying and claiming incusivity all over the place.
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Post by naychan on Feb 24, 2017 23:30:59 GMT
This honestly sucks. As a straight woman I get Jaal, but all my male friends who want him don't and it's breaking my heart and making it harder to look forward to it. We dont know it on 100%. He still can be bisexual.
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Post by Ianamus on Feb 24, 2017 23:31:25 GMT
It does pose somewhat unfortunate implications that the only two crewmembers of the Tempest we've not seen are the gay man and the gay woman. We didn't even know they existed until a week ago.
Doesn't exactly indicate that they are the most important or plot-centric figures.
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Post by Gaston on Feb 24, 2017 23:32:31 GMT
Yeah, I'm not sure she's on the same level as Natalie Dormer in terms of popularity (with nerds at any rate). But yeah, just cross our fingers I guess. If they wanted to call the attention of nerds they would have tried to get Emma Watson a long time ago. Emma Watson wouldn't have time, she is too busy feeling sorry for herself over her failed HeForShe campaign.
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