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Post by naytnavare on Feb 25, 2017 6:43:28 GMT
YEAH! Honestly, they should have made a hermaphrodite race, personally. A masculine one. Truth is, I'd find a monogendered male race to be a bit 'same hat' in the ME universe as the Asari, but I would accept them. Not my 'prime' choice, but I'd take it. Gay male gamers need alien loving. I would love that, however this could be a double-edged sword, I don't know about lesbian/bi women opinions out there, but they have had asari LIs in every game and I find that very tiresome, it limits the options too much for my taste, for example, maybe if Peebee wasn't a LI, they could have got a female human in the squad (which is a thing they have been asking since forever) but with an asari in every game it limits their options for the so-called balance sake. I think the devs have to put to rest a little bit the asari for a few games, just my two cents. Which is why, if we can't have player-sexual LIs, then Cora should have been Bi, with PeeBee straight (to change the Asari trope, and give straight male gamers the balance 'needed' in a non-player-sexual 'spreadsheet).
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 25, 2017 6:49:30 GMT
YEAH! Honestly, they should have made a hermaphrodite race, personally. A masculine one. Truth is, I'd find a monogendered male race to be a bit 'same hat' in the ME universe as the Asari, but I would accept them. Not my 'prime' choice, but I'd take it. Gay male gamers need alien loving. I would love that, however this could be a double-edged sword, I don't know about lesbian/bi women opinions out there, but they have had asari LIs in every game and I find that very tiresome, it limits the options too much for my taste, for example, maybe if Peebee wasn't a LI, they could have got a female human in the squad (which is a thing they have been asking since forever) but with an asari in every game it limits their options for the so-called balance sake. I think the devs have to put to rest a little bit the asari for a few games, just my two cents. Part of me is worried they'll one day have an asari who is only romanceable by men despite all lore and history in writing them. And, odds are, considering the kinds of women they make straight, she would totally be my type too if/when they decide to do that. I know a lot of people have criticisms about the "kinds" of characters allowed to be m/m option, but f/f options get this often too. How many times have we seen f/f options be either "the nice friendly and/or shy girl who thinks you're tooootally pretty," "the promiscuous bi woman," or "the quirky funny girl," or some combination of the above? And it's extremely rare we ever get an f/f option who isn't super young or at least acts/appears super young. A lot of the female options that are in their 30s are straight, for some reason, despite many straight male gamers whining about "getting old women to fuck" and many bi/gay women being eager to romance older women (at least many of the ones I know). Oh and most of them are feminine too. Straight male players often get to choose whether to romance more feminine or more masculine women in Bioware games, but gay women almost never get to. Even Sera was pretty feminine (wearing a low cut, tight tunic-dress-thing that exposes her shoulders, eye makeup, etc).
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Feb 25, 2017 6:51:12 GMT
I would love that, however this could be a double-edged sword, I don't know about lesbian/bi women opinions out there, but they have had asari LIs in every game and I find that very tiresome, it limits the options too much for my taste, for example, maybe if Peebee wasn't a LI, they could have got a female human in the squad (which is a thing they have been asking since forever) but with an asari in every game it limits their options for the so-called balance sake. I think the devs have to put to rest a little bit the asari for a few games, just my two cents. Which is why, if we can't have player-sexual LIs, then Cora should have been Bi, with PeeBee straight (to change the Asari trope, and give straight male gamers the balance 'needed' in a non-player-sexual 'spreadsheet). I think a straight asari it would be a great story to tell, she would be the asari analogous to LGBTQ humans, and if that give to lesbians/bi women a well deserved female human in the squad, count me in!
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Post by PhatePhoenix on Feb 25, 2017 6:53:24 GMT
Oh but was it a joke and did he play as female Ryder. I hope it wasnt and I hope both Ryders can at least flirt extensively with Kallo. But I do like the idea of a "Let's Flirt" prompt, very simple solution to criticisms of "ninjamancing" At the beginning, he says he played as Rydette. And, I don't think it was a joke. Whether or not that flirting leads to anything, though, I am uncertain.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Feb 25, 2017 6:57:43 GMT
I would love that, however this could be a double-edged sword, I don't know about lesbian/bi women opinions out there, but they have had asari LIs in every game and I find that very tiresome, it limits the options too much for my taste, for example, maybe if Peebee wasn't a LI, they could have got a female human in the squad (which is a thing they have been asking since forever) but with an asari in every game it limits their options for the so-called balance sake. I think the devs have to put to rest a little bit the asari for a few games, just my two cents. Part of me is worried they'll one day have an asari who is only romanceable by men despite all lore and history in writing them. And, odds are, considering the kinds of women they make straight, she would totally be my type too if/when they decide to do that. If that happen it has to be well written and not just straight wanker story. I think it could be interesting if the devs have no plans to put to rest the asari as LIs, because you guys always have one and I find that unfair to be honest, they are great, I love Liara, Samara and I think I will love Peebee, but you guys deserve a human, it's about damn time!
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Post by davkar on Feb 25, 2017 7:11:33 GMT
I still don't get your pessimism. I mean I do, past experiences and all that, but if you combine the infamous "it has to make sense for the character" statement with what we know about the squadmates so far then it isn't too bad. PB: game lore, no question here, moving on. Cora: 4 years with hot alien space babes. Cmon... I can imagine one/some of the squadmates having "let's tease the human newbie" moments. Even if she wasn't turned then the seeds could be there. So yeah, she's the 'gameseller sexy poster girl', but I think she's a feasible option for Sara too. Liam: I got the impression that he's a malleable, puppy kind of guy. So if you go with the 'blue' and grey-but-mostly-good options he'll like the Ryders regardless of gender. Jaal: I don't really have a nug in this race, but I see no reason why he couldn't be a both option. Vetra: umm, I can't be impartial, so sorry, but I'm keeping her.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Feb 25, 2017 7:22:24 GMT
Thinking better about straight asari, the straight-washing its not a good thing because this species are a LGBTQ symbol and that is what's make them special, so I don't know, it's again a double-edged sword situation
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 25, 2017 7:26:06 GMT
Thinking better about straight asari, the straight-washing its not a good thing because this species are a LGBTQ symbol and that is what's make them special, so I don't know, it's again a double-edged sword situation A better solution would just be no asari squadmate at all, rather than making an asari squadmate straight. However, I don't trust them not to take that as an excuse to make all female squadmates straight as hell.
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Post by Dirk on Feb 25, 2017 7:29:25 GMT
I still don't get your pessimism. I mean I do, past experiences and all that, but if you combine the infamous "it has to make sense for the character" statement with what we know about the squadmates so far then it isn't too bad. PB: game lore, no question here, moving on. Cora: 4 years with hot alien space babes. Cmon... I can imagine one/some of the squadmates having "let's tease the human newbie" moments. Even if she wasn't turned then the seeds could be there. So yeah, she's the 'gameseller sexy poster girl', but I think she's a feasible option for Sara too. Liam: I got the impression that he's a malleable, puppy kind of guy. So if you go with the 'blue' and grey-but-mostly-good options he'll like the Ryders regardless of gender. Jaal: I don't really have a nug in this race, but I see no reason why he couldn't be a both option. Vetra: umm, I can't be impartial, so sorry, but I'm keeping her. The pessimism comes from the fact that they have not revealed anything about m/m romance (apart from its existence and flirting with Gil I guess). It's quite jarring when this is compared to other romances, especially for straight Scott, where the romance info is officially available. It's even more frustrating that the devs insist that we need to find the romance out by ourselves, unless you play straight Scott. This almost-2nd-class treatment of course causes distrust and so pessimism. The leaked info regarding m/m romance then worsens the situation. And here we are. Except for Vetra, I very much hope you are right. I could not see why any of these characters can't be bi. Having both Liam and Jaal available for m/m romance would make me very happy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 7:45:29 GMT
Vaaron Hunter @savetheking96 @tibermoon Can m/m fans get ANYTHING here. Literally every other orientation has. Our we at least going to get s sqaudmate m/m? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon @savetheking96 Cora/Scott is the only specific romance we've confirmed. Every sexual orientation has at least 1, if not multiple options. BioFan @biofanofficial @tibermoon @savetheking96 well actually... Michael Gamble @gamblemike @biofanofficial @tibermoon @savetheking96 don't worry about that guy, he's crazy
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Post by Natashina on Feb 25, 2017 7:50:33 GMT
I'm awake now. Time to grab coffee. A lot of it. @massbass Wait, their reaction to an obvious confirmation was to play cute again? Wow, that's, um, one way to do it.
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Post by Panda on Feb 25, 2017 7:59:24 GMT
APPARENTLY WE CAN INDEED FLIRT WITH KALLO. <snip> Skip to 2:24. It is mentioned passingly, briefly. Romance not confirmed. But. Flirt. Flirting? Flirt. [ CLEARS THROAT] Ah-hem. Excuse me. [ SCREAMS INTO A PILLOW] At least it sounds like my Plan B will come true.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 25, 2017 8:11:55 GMT
PandaWhat is your Plan B?
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Post by Panda on Feb 25, 2017 8:18:37 GMT
Panda What is your Plan B? Kallo for Norman and Peebee for Mandy. Plan A is Jaal for Norman and Vetra for Mandy.
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Post by zeowik on Feb 25, 2017 9:39:04 GMT
Vaaron Hunter @savetheking96 @tibermoon Can m/m fans get ANYTHING here. Literally every other orientation has. Our we at least going to get s sqaudmate m/m? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon @savetheking96 Cora/Scott is the only specific romance we've confirmed. Every sexual orientation has at least 1, if not multiple options. BioFan @biofanofficial @tibermoon @savetheking96 well actually... View AttachmentMichael Gamble @gamblemike @biofanofficial @tibermoon @savetheking96 don't worry about that guy, he's crazy Is there some implication here I'm missing?
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 25, 2017 9:57:30 GMT
Vaaron Hunter @savetheking96 @tibermoon Can m/m fans get ANYTHING here. Literally every other orientation has. Our we at least going to get s sqaudmate m/m? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon @savetheking96 Cora/Scott is the only specific romance we've confirmed. Every sexual orientation has at least 1, if not multiple options. BioFan @biofanofficial @tibermoon @savetheking96 well actually... Michael Gamble @gamblemike @biofanofficial @tibermoon @savetheking96 don't worry about that guy, he's crazy Is there some implication here I'm missing? I hope they're not calling someone crazy for wanting to know about m/m. There has to be some context we're missing, right?
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Post by Natashina on Feb 25, 2017 10:04:45 GMT
The context is that the person that confirmed that Peebee was a romance was a crazy man. It wasn't directed to the person that asked about m/m romances.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 25, 2017 10:08:49 GMT
The context is that the person that confirmed that Peebee was a romance was a crazy man. It wasn't directed to the person that asked about m/m romances. Thank you.
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Post by Evamitchelle on Feb 25, 2017 10:09:40 GMT
Is there some implication here I'm missing? I hope they're not calling someone crazy for wanting to know about m/m. There has to be some context we're missing, right? You can't see the picture here but Mike Gamble is referring to himself.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 25, 2017 10:09:43 GMT
The context is that the person that confirmed that Peebee was a romance was a crazy man. It wasn't directed to the person that asked about m/m romances. Thank you. No worries, glad I could clear that up for you. Edit: And what Eva said. He was calling himself the crazy man.
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Post by Rynnju on Feb 25, 2017 10:18:58 GMT
It's 2:00 in the morning where I am and I'm still awake thinking about how much I miss DA2's romance system (minus the rivalry thing. That was oddly implemented). I know it wasn't perfect, and I understand why people disliked it, but I still honestly think it was the best. There was SO much excitement about the LIs being available for everyone! There would be none of this intense anxiety like there is now. And, on another level, DA2's system boosted a TON of great fanwork! In my ideal world of ideals, all BioWare game companion LIs would be bisexual/pansexual and the romances outside of the main party a myriad of orientations. And a guaranteed LI with no sex scene, or at least an option to have an alternate scene in lieu of the sex scene, for people like Hanako Ikezawa.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 25, 2017 10:31:32 GMT
I'd love to have LIs have more cuddling as an on-screen option if the animation isn't too much of a pain. Honestly, there are times where it's better than sex, regardless of whether or not a person has a typical sex drive.
I remember the day that I got married. Fantastic day. We were married at the local Renaissance Faire, and I was pretty in my jade-green dress. However, my day started at 7:30am. I got married at about 1pm, got home at 6pm and then entertained family until almost 10pm. By the time that was done, all my husband and I wanted to do was sleep. Curling up with each other was better than any sex could have been that day.
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Post by Panda on Feb 25, 2017 10:46:05 GMT
I have been leaning towards diversity of sexualities of LIs myself, but if that means that there isn't diversity, but rather lot of unfairness and inequality with options there isn't really point. DAI at least promised to have at least 2 option for everyone and delivered so I wasn't really against it there, I liked that Dorian was gay, Sera lesbian, Bull pansexual etc. But diversity to me doesn't mean that most are straight and then there is one or two bisexual LIs so if that happens with ME:A what is the point.
And I guess if there was 4 bisexual LIs in the squad, but straight or gay LIs on crew members or outside of ship, both could be achieved. Core romances being open for both would likely be fairest option. Since for some reason it just seems that Bioware can't make it fair otherwise. They just seem unable to do 2/2/2 or some other fair division.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 25, 2017 10:53:58 GMT
I have been leaning towards diversity of sexualities of LIs myself, but if that means that there isn't diversity, but rather lot of unfairness and inequality with options there isn't really point. DAI at least promised to have at least 2 option for everyone and delivered so I wasn't really against it there, I liked that Dorian was gay, Sera lesbian, Bull pansexual etc. But diversity to me doesn't mean that most are straight and then there is one or two bisexual LIs so if that happens with ME:A what is the point. And I guess if there was 4 bisexual LIs in the squad, but straight or gay LIs on crew members or outside of ship, both could be achieved. Core romances being open for both would likely be fairest option. Since for some reason it just seems that Bioware can't make it fair otherwise. They just seem unable to do 2/2/2 or some other fair division. I hate how in order to have a smaller squad it seems like we have to have less gay/bi squadmates. It's such a stupid restriction.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 25, 2017 11:10:52 GMT
I have been leaning towards diversity of sexualities of LIs myself, but if that means that there isn't diversity, but rather lot of unfairness and inequality with options there isn't really point. DAI at least promised to have at least 2 option for everyone and delivered so I wasn't really against it there, I liked that Dorian was gay, Sera lesbian, Bull pansexual etc. But diversity to me doesn't mean that most are straight and then there is one or two bisexual LIs so if that happens with ME:A what is the point. And I guess if there was 4 bisexual LIs in the squad, but straight or gay LIs on crew members or outside of ship, both could be achieved. Core romances being open for both would likely be fairest option. Since for some reason it just seems that Bioware can't make it fair otherwise. They just seem unable to do 2/2/2 or some other fair division. I have been leaning towards diversity of sexualities of LIs myself, but if that means that there isn't diversity, but rather lot of unfairness and inequality with options there isn't really point. DAI at least promised to have at least 2 option for everyone and delivered so I wasn't really against it there, I liked that Dorian was gay, Sera lesbian, Bull pansexual etc. But diversity to me doesn't mean that most are straight and then there is one or two bisexual LIs so if that happens with ME:A what is the point. And I guess if there was 4 bisexual LIs in the squad, but straight or gay LIs on crew members or outside of ship, both could be achieved. Core romances being open for both would likely be fairest option. Since for some reason it just seems that Bioware can't make it fair otherwise. They just seem unable to do 2/2/2 or some other fair division. I hate how in order to have a smaller squad it seems like we have to have less gay/bi squadmates. It's such a stupid restriction. I don't think the smaller squad was relevant to the differentiation in romances. They likely didn't want to do a 2/2/2 division from the start. The fact that the DA team originally did it doesn't mean the ME team wanted to. If Jaal or Liam was/is bi, we'd have the biggest number of LGBT romances in the squad for a ME game, and I don't think it'd have been that hard to accomplish (in the case either isn't bi).
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