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I must admit I don't really get why this has to be specified. I'm not asexual but I'd still very much like my romance options to revolve around...romance. Emotional support, encouragement of passions, sharing of tragedies and triumphs, TONS of cuddling and old fashioned twee gestures. If I want porn I'll just watch porn, not a badly animated video game cutscene. It should be left up to the player whether sex occurs or not, unless it's specifically important to that romance plot like with Bull. Which I sincerely hope never happens again, unless it's like a third or fourth option romance That said I also don't need (and sometimes prefer, but not always) sex in a video game romance, but I personally feel BioWare, especially ME, goes too far with "porno" aspect. I honestly don't need to see people rolling around in bed. BUT I know some people like it, and not for horny reasons, so... to each their own I guess! All we can hope for is variety (which makes the gated romances tougher because the "type" of romance you like may be for the wrong gender or whatever). I just don't get like, the people who were raging over Josie's romance 'not having sex', for example. Like, what do you need? A fuckin' codex entry detailing all the positions you've bonked in? If you're that desperate just get out the lube and boot up the googles, there's bound to be some Josie stuff on there. If you're playing a sexual inquisitor then you can assume that a relationship between two adults eventually involved sex if you want. As for Bull, fuck Bioware so hard for giving that early 'so you've never known true passion?' flirt that made me think his romance would be all about showing him the sweet side of courting and revealing a big softie. And fuck them further for not giving me a 'Um, no. I AM interested, but not on your shitty terms.' option. Just generally fuck Bioware, far too much fucking going on, fuck off with that.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 27, 2017 23:37:37 GMT
Also somewhat romance related; a purely lesbian asari makes a ton more sense than the bi-as-standard that we keep getting. They lived on their home planet for thousands of years with no dick-bearing sentients. You'd think the majority would be like 'WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THING? IT'S LIKE A MALE PYJACKS!' Bi or even straight asari who grew up in a multicultural colony, sure, but Thessia raised? Hmm.
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Post by Steelcan on Feb 27, 2017 23:38:01 GMT
"hey guys lets hire Natalie Dormer to be a voice actress for a sexless romance" -someone who shouldn't be employed
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 27, 2017 23:39:06 GMT
I'm hoping for Dr. Lexi to be one of the nonsexual romances. I really like what we know about her character so far. I must admit I don't really get why this has to be specified. I'm not asexual but I'd still very much like my romance options to revolve around...romance. Emotional support, encouragement of passions, sharing of tragedies and triumphs, TONS of cuddling and old fashioned twee gestures. If I want porn I'll just watch porn, not a badly animated video game cutscene. It should be left up to the player whether sex occurs or not, unless it's specifically important to that romance plot like with Bull. Sex or the implication of sex =/= porn. Sex is more than just a savage, primal act of lust, and I'd hate to have it cut out just because. For me, it's one of the pinnacles of romance, and I can hardly think anything as visually powerful to really showcase the vulnerability and attraction between two people.
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Post by Suaimhneas on Feb 27, 2017 23:41:07 GMT
"hey guys lets hire Natalie Dormer to be a voice actress for a sexless romance" -someone who shouldn't be employed I'd be surprised at them making her anything more than a fling tbh, I doubt they'll fork out the cash to bring her back for DLCs and such.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 27, 2017 23:43:15 GMT
"hey guys lets hire Natalie Dormer to be a voice actress for a sexless romance" -someone who shouldn't be employed I'd be surprised at them making her anything more than a fling tbh, I doubt they'll fork out the cash to bring her back for DLCs and such. They did for names bigger than her in past Bioware games, for example Lance Henriksen.
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Post by byne on Feb 27, 2017 23:43:26 GMT
"hey guys lets hire Natalie Dormer to be a voice actress for a sexless romance" -someone who shouldn't be employed I'd be surprised at them making her anything more than a fling tbh, I doubt they'll fork out the cash to bring her back for DLCs and such. She's not a squadmate, theres basically no reason you'd have to bring her back for DLCs unless they were Citadel style and had large parts just focusing on hanging out with the crew. And I mean Dormer cant be TOO expensive, Telltale hired her, I'm sure EA backed BW can handle getting her back for a DLC or two if they want.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 27, 2017 23:45:43 GMT
I must admit I don't really get why this has to be specified. I'm not asexual but I'd still very much like my romance options to revolve around...romance. Emotional support, encouragement of passions, sharing of tragedies and triumphs, TONS of cuddling and old fashioned twee gestures. If I want porn I'll just watch porn, not a badly animated video game cutscene. It should be left up to the player whether sex occurs or not, unless it's specifically important to that romance plot like with Bull. Sex or the implication of sex =/= porn. Sex is more than just a savage, primal act of lust, and I'd hate to have it cut out just because. For me, it's one of the pinnacles of romance, and I can hardly think anything as visually powerful to really showcase the vulnerability and attraction between two people. Despite the snark I'm not implying that, so much as saying that with the current level of animation they're not gonna be conveying a groundbreaking lovemaking scene like, say, that scene from Blue Is The Warmest Colour. You're probably not gonna get chills from watching Gil bump into Ryder. Just show them nude cuddling and going to sleep together, leave the complex stuff to the imagination and for those of us who are asexual or who feel like the sex happened too early for them to feel it was a natural progression they can just assume otherwise.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 28, 2017 0:00:46 GMT
Sex or the implication of sex =/= porn. Sex is more than just a savage, primal act of lust, and I'd hate to have it cut out just because. For me, it's one of the pinnacles of romance, and I can hardly think anything as visually powerful to really showcase the vulnerability and attraction between two people. Despite the snark I'm not implying that, so much as saying that with the current level of animation they're not gonna be conveying a groundbreaking lovemaking scene like, say, that scene from Blue Is The Warmest Colour. You're probably not gonna get chills from watching Gil bump into Ryder. Just show them nude cuddling and going to sleep together, leave the complex stuff to the imagination and for those of us who are asexual or who feel like the sex happened too early for them to feel it was a natural progression they can just assume otherwise. I was quite impressed with what Cora x Scott showed me. Not to mention, Fenris x Hawke was a scene I loved as well, and wouldn't have had that part of the romance any other way. So, should all the dialogue also be void of any talk of sex as well, then? If your point is that let's remove the sex and those who want it can headcanon it, are you also saying that the whole subject of sex should be removed?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 0:07:10 GMT
Also somewhat romance related; a purely lesbian asari makes a ton more sense than the bi-as-standard that we keep getting. They lived on their home planet for thousands of years with no dick-bearing sentients. You'd think the majority would be like 'WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THING? IT'S LIKE A MALE PYJACKS!' Bi or even straight asari who grew up in a multicultural colony, sure, but Thessia raised? Hmm. Asari by lore don't care about genders so no it would not make sense. They are a monogendered race that doesn't have a perception of gender like humans. Being "Male/Female" does not matter to them. They bond mentally so appearance does not really matter to them either.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 28, 2017 0:07:31 GMT
Despite the snark I'm not implying that, so much as saying that with the current level of animation they're not gonna be conveying a groundbreaking lovemaking scene like, say, that scene from Blue Is The Warmest Colour. You're probably not gonna get chills from watching Gil bump into Ryder. Just show them nude cuddling and going to sleep together, leave the complex stuff to the imagination and for those of us who are asexual or who feel like the sex happened too early for them to feel it was a natural progression they can just assume otherwise. I was quite impressed with what Cora x Scott showed me. Not to mention, Fenris x Hawke was a scene I loved as well, and wouldn't have had that part of the romance any other way. So, should all the dialogue also be void of any talk of sex as well, then? If your point is that let's remove the sex and those who want it can headcanon it, are you also saying that the whole subject of sex should be removed? Well ideally you'd have multiple dialogue options to imply either way, but I'm not a developer at Bioware.
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Post by KalleDemos on Feb 28, 2017 0:11:20 GMT
Also somewhat romance related; a purely lesbian asari makes a ton more sense than the bi-as-standard that we keep getting. They lived on their home planet for thousands of years with no dick-bearing sentients. You'd think the majority would be like 'WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THING? IT'S LIKE A MALE PYJACKS!' Bi or even straight asari who grew up in a multicultural colony, sure, but Thessia raised? Hmm. I think that Asari sexuality is more complicated than we think. While I agree that Asari being auto attracted to a gender that normally doesn't exist to them is odd it makes sense in a way. Asari do not reproduce sexually. There is no exchange of physical DNA so then it makes sense that Asari, who could potentially reproduce with anyone, would be attracted to traits beyond the physical to greater degrees than humans or other binary species are.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 28, 2017 0:13:06 GMT
I was quite impressed with what Cora x Scott showed me. Not to mention, Fenris x Hawke was a scene I loved as well, and wouldn't have had that part of the romance any other way. So, should all the dialogue also be void of any talk of sex as well, then? If your point is that let's remove the sex and those who want it can headcanon it, are you also saying that the whole subject of sex should be removed? Well ideally you'd have multiple dialogue options to imply either way, but I'm not a developer at Bioware. I guess I could live with that but I don't think that should be a priority, either. A Josephine-like romance where you have to fill in the blanks for a few characters goes a long way. But I'm not going to lobby for non-sex romances for every damn character.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 28, 2017 0:13:41 GMT
Also somewhat romance related; a purely lesbian asari makes a ton more sense than the bi-as-standard that we keep getting. They lived on their home planet for thousands of years with no dick-bearing sentients. You'd think the majority would be like 'WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THING? IT'S LIKE A MALE PYJACKS!' Bi or even straight asari who grew up in a multicultural colony, sure, but Thessia raised? Hmm. Asari by lore don't care about genders so no it would not make sense. They are a monogendered race that doesn't have a perception of gender like humans. Male/Female does not matter to them. Well I'm calling bullshit on that lore. If they want to embrace eternity with a dude, sure. But as a civilisation made up entirely of female-formed individuals, who's love lives and romantic culture have for thousands of years revolved purely around f/f interactions, them all finding male humans physically/sexually attractive is a big stretch.
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Asari by lore don't care about genders so no it would not make sense. They are a monogendered race that doesn't have a perception of gender like humans. Male/Female does not matter to them. Well I'm calling bullshit on that lore. If they want to embrace eternity with a dude, sure. But as a civilisation made up entirely of female-formed individuals, who's love lives and romantic culture have for thousands of years revolved purely around f/f interactions, them all finding male humans physically/sexually attractive is a big stretch. You didn't quote my whole post. They bond differently so appearance doesn't really matter to them... Edit: "There is some conflicting information regarding the gender of the asari. Asari are a mono-gendered species with no concept of gender differences. According to Liara, "male and female have no real meaning for us," and, if asked, says that she is "not precisely a woman." At the same time, asari are often viewed as an all-female race, including by the Codex and by the Galactic Codex: Essentials Edition 2183. To humans at least, asari appear female with breasts and voices that sound female. Even among the asari, individual asari are referred to using feminine pronouns like “she” and “her” instead of gender-neutral terms like “they" and "them." Asari also bear feminine titles like “huntress” and “matriarch” and asari offspring are usually referred to as “daughters.” However asari gender is defined, they are innately different from humans, for asari can mate and successfully reproduce with any other gender or species. Although they have one gender, they are not asexual and do in fact require a partner to reproduce. However, asari reproduction is very different from other forms of sexual reproduction. An asari provides two copies of her own genes to her offspring, one of which is passed on unaltered. The second set of genes is altered in a unique process called melding, also known as the joining. During melding, the eyes of the asari initiating the meld dilate as she consciously attunes her nervous system to her partner's, sending and receiving electrical impulses directly through the skin. A common phrase used before melding is "embrace eternity", presumably to help focus the partner's mind. Effectively, the asari and her partner briefly become one unified nervous system, sharing memories, thoughts, and feelings. The offspring is always an asari, regardless of the species or sex of the "father" and in the case that the offspring is of two asari, the father is the one who does not give birth. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Asari
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Post by Dirk on Feb 28, 2017 0:17:19 GMT
Well for me I hope for at least one m/m romance that features a great hot sex scene and sex talk. For the sake of people who do not prefer this, I hope there are romance options that are free of anything sex related too.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 28, 2017 0:20:39 GMT
Well I'm calling bullshit on that lore. If they want to embrace eternity with a dude, sure. But as a civilisation made up entirely of female-formed individuals, who's love lives and romantic culture have for thousands of years revolved purely around f/f interactions, them all finding male humans physically/sexually attractive is a big stretch. You didn't quote my whole post. They bond differently so appearance doesn't really matter to them... Edit: "There is some conflicting information regarding the gender of the asari. Asari are a mono-gendered species with no concept of gender differences. According to Liara, "male and female have no real meaning for us," and, if asked, says that she is "not precisely a woman." At the same time, asari are often viewed as an all-female race, including by the Codex and by the Galactic Codex: Essentials Edition 2183. To humans at least, asari appear female with breasts and voices that sound female. Even among the asari, individual asari are referred to using feminine pronouns like “she” and “her” instead of gender-neutral terms like “they" and "them." Asari also bear feminine titles like “huntress” and “matriarch” and asari offspring are usually referred to as “daughters.” However asari gender is defined, they are innately different from humans, for asari can mate and successfully reproduce with any other gender or species. Although they have one gender, they are not asexual and do in fact require a partner to reproduce. However, asari reproduction is very different from other forms of sexual reproduction. An asari provides two copies of her own genes to her offspring, one of which is passed on unaltered. The second set of genes is altered in a unique process called melding, also known as the joining. During melding, the eyes of the asari initiating the meld dilate as she consciously attunes her nervous system to her partner's, sending and receiving electrical impulses directly through the skin. A common phrase used before melding is "embrace eternity", presumably to help focus the partner's mind. Effectively, the asari and her partner briefly become one unified nervous system, sharing memories, thoughts, and feelings. The offspring is always an asari, regardless of the species or sex of the "father" and in the case that the offspring is of two asari, the father is the one who does not give birth. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/AsariYes, I did. Unless you edited it while I was posting. And who cares? It's not a contest. It's just tits and dragons spaceships. Plus, Asari clearly do have sex/a sex drive. That's just not how they procreate.
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You didn't quote my whole post. They bond differently so appearance doesn't really matter to them... Edit: "There is some conflicting information regarding the gender of the asari. Asari are a mono-gendered species with no concept of gender differences. According to Liara, "male and female have no real meaning for us," and, if asked, says that she is "not precisely a woman." At the same time, asari are often viewed as an all-female race, including by the Codex and by the Galactic Codex: Essentials Edition 2183. To humans at least, asari appear female with breasts and voices that sound female. Even among the asari, individual asari are referred to using feminine pronouns like “she” and “her” instead of gender-neutral terms like “they" and "them." Asari also bear feminine titles like “huntress” and “matriarch” and asari offspring are usually referred to as “daughters.” However asari gender is defined, they are innately different from humans, for asari can mate and successfully reproduce with any other gender or species. Although they have one gender, they are not asexual and do in fact require a partner to reproduce. However, asari reproduction is very different from other forms of sexual reproduction. An asari provides two copies of her own genes to her offspring, one of which is passed on unaltered. The second set of genes is altered in a unique process called melding, also known as the joining. During melding, the eyes of the asari initiating the meld dilate as she consciously attunes her nervous system to her partner's, sending and receiving electrical impulses directly through the skin. A common phrase used before melding is "embrace eternity", presumably to help focus the partner's mind. Effectively, the asari and her partner briefly become one unified nervous system, sharing memories, thoughts, and feelings. The offspring is always an asari, regardless of the species or sex of the "father" and in the case that the offspring is of two asari, the father is the one who does not give birth. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/AsariYes, I did. Unless you edited it while I was posting. And who cares? It's not a contest. It's just tits and dragons spaceships. Plus, Asari clearly do have sex/a sex drive. That's just not how they procreate. It's not a contest you're right. I'm just saying what's from the lore... I don't get why people are pushing for Asari to have gender preferences tbh. All it does is contradict one of the main aspects of their species.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 28, 2017 0:30:45 GMT
Well ideally you'd have multiple dialogue options to imply either way, but I'm not a developer at Bioware. I guess I could live with that but I don't think that should be a priority, either. A Josephine-like romance where you have to fill in the blanks for a few characters goes a long way. But I'm not going to lobby for non-sex romances for every damn character. Personally I think how they handled it in DAI was a good way or doing it, where there are three kinds of romances. A. Sexual romances. These are romances where sexual dialogue and scenes are required for the romance to continue. A few examples are Morrigan, Isabela, and The Iron Bull. B. Nonsexual romances. These are romances where sexual dialogue and scenes are not involved, either explicitly or ambiguously. A few examples are Bastila, Josephine, and Solas. C. Optional romances. These are romances that fall between 1 and 2, where sexual dialogue and/or scenes are optional. Of this spread, it would probably be best for Group 3 to have the largest amount of options with Groups 1 and 2 having about equal content to each other. For example if there are 8 romances, 2 are of Group A, 2 are of Group B, and 4 are of Group C.
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Post by Steelcan on Feb 28, 2017 0:34:23 GMT
OR since most people don't have an issue with sexual content they should just go ahead and put it in
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Post by hammerstorm on Feb 28, 2017 0:38:00 GMT
Asari by lore don't care about genders so no it would not make sense. They are a monogendered race that doesn't have a perception of gender like humans. Male/Female does not matter to them. Well I'm calling bullshit on that lore. If they want to embrace eternity with a dude, sure. But as a civilisation made up entirely of female-formed individuals, who's love lives and romantic culture have for thousands of years revolved purely around f/f interactions, them all finding male humans physically/sexually attractive is a big stretch. Well, what you think is not relevant. The lore is what's relevant, or "Word of God" aka the devs. No matter what we, the players are thinking, if it's not in the game or confirmed by the Devs (or whoever in Bioware that decide) it's not canon. And if we go by the idea that the Protheans modified the Asari, they may have made them so they don't have a strong preference in the physical sense, and instead they try to find people that have strong traits that will make the offspring better. Wow, that went in a more creepy direction than I had intended. :smh:
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 28, 2017 0:38:16 GMT
Honestly, if Bioware doesn't deliver on any m/m alien romances, we'd better get a gay male alien squadmate next game. Not bisexual, but gay.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 28, 2017 0:38:56 GMT
OR since most people don't have an issue with sexual content they should just go ahead and put it in If the various leaks are to be believed, the majority of romances will.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 28, 2017 0:41:31 GMT
Well I'm calling bullshit on that lore. If they want to embrace eternity with a dude, sure. But as a civilisation made up entirely of female-formed individuals, who's love lives and romantic culture have for thousands of years revolved purely around f/f interactions, them all finding male humans physically/sexually attractive is a big stretch. Well, what you think is not relevant. The lore is what's relevant, or "Word of God" aka the devs. No matter what we, the players are thinking, if it's not in the game or confirmed by the Devs (or whoever in Bioware that decide) it's not canon. And if we go by the idea that the Protheans modified the Asari, they may have made them so they don't have a strong preference in the physical sense, and instead they try to find people that have strong traits that will make the offspring better. Wow, that went in a more creepy direction than I had intended. :smh: What I think is perfectly relevant. We're discussing the validity of a fictional species, not whether climate change is real or arguing what temperature water boils at. Just because a dev says something totally makes sense doesn't mean it does.
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Post by byne on Feb 28, 2017 0:43:57 GMT
Asari by lore don't care about genders so no it would not make sense. They are a monogendered race that doesn't have a perception of gender like humans. Male/Female does not matter to them. Well I'm calling bullshit on that lore. If they want to embrace eternity with a dude, sure. But as a civilisation made up entirely of female-formed individuals, who's love lives and romantic culture have for thousands of years revolved purely around f/f interactions, them all finding male humans physically/sexually attractive is a big stretch. Its also a big stretch that humans would find turians and krogan attractive, and yet tons of people do.
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