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Post by hellionrex on Mar 2, 2017 0:06:55 GMT
😘 Seriously, though. Jaal needs to be bi so hard, and so hard bi. If he isn't, I'll have to avoid him, I can't deal with a bromance-y friendship full of subtext that leaves me pining then hurting cause subtext and queerbaiting is all I'm destined for in the fandoms I love at the moment. Out of curiosity, which fandoms/characters are you referring to?
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Post by Suaimhneas on Mar 2, 2017 0:07:48 GMT
I truly wish my biggest worry about my potential romance was his hair, but unfortunately I don't even know what he looks like. (Unless we get Bi Liam/Jaal... bioware plz) Nope. Sorry the whole bromance thing that was so very early on enforced in the trailer and by tweets pretty much rules this out. I just keep repeating what Mac said and I am even more sure there are no bi squaddies. But to compensate all our options will prob be Steves, or Steves out in the "wilds" Although I have to admit, the silence on Liam on Twitter is interesting. Oh who am I kidding of course he is straight, I had gotten over that ages ago. Sadly it was softened by the thinking Jaal was bi. Now that that is out, I am just... yeah, really, really, really running on fumes now. Oh totally, my hope is pretty much gone. The only thing keeping me going is the possibility of Gil, because of my crush on Renly Baratheon, and we literally know nothing about him. Still with no possibility of a squad mate romance it feels like we're missing out on a lot, and nothing they say can reassure me of that. Hopefully i'm proven wrong but meh.
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Post by hellionrex on Mar 2, 2017 0:13:40 GMT
I truly wish my biggest worry about my potential romance was his hair, but unfortunately I don't even know what he looks like. (Unless we get Bi Liam/Jaal... bioware plz) Nope. Sorry the whole bromance thing that was so very early on enforced in the trailer and by tweets pretty much rules this out. I just keep repeating what Mac said and I am even more sure there are no bi squaddies. But to compensate all our options will prob be Steves, or Steves out in the "wilds" Although I have to admit, the silence on Liam on Twitter is interesting. Oh who am I kidding of course he is straight, I had gotten over that ages ago. Sadly it was softened by the thinking Jaal was bi. Now that that is out, I am just... yeah, really, really, really running on fumes now. As much as I agree that the situation seems rather poor at the moment, we have no confirmation yet whatsoever. So no, he is not "of course straight." Not yet.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 2, 2017 0:13:56 GMT
I am not giving up hope just yet. Until the game is out or Bioware themselves deny it, I will still believe that at least three of Liam, Jaal, Gil, and Reyes will be m/m options.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 2, 2017 0:15:05 GMT
Oh totally, my hope is pretty much gone. The only thing keeping me going is the possibility of Gil, because of my crush on Renly Baratheon, and we literally know nothing about him. Still with no possibility of a squad mate romance it feels like we're missing out on a lot, and nothing they say can reassure me of that. Hopefully i'm proven wrong but meh. Yep, at least one squadmate/companion for every sexual orientation (counting asexuals as well) should be a sacred rule. It's common sense in twenty freaking seventeen.
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Post by saberchic on Mar 2, 2017 0:30:22 GMT
I am not giving up hope just yet. Until the game is out or Bioware themselves deny it, I will still believe that at least three of Liam, Jaal, Gil, and Reyes will be m/m options. As well you should keep believing. I've watched some people change their stories on the leaks, so I am taking what they say as rumor and speculation. I've said it before in other threads, but people should not take these rumors as facts; if the leaks aren't true, then a lot of people got worked up/had mental breakdowns/spazzed the hell out, etc. for no reason whatsoever. We haven't heard anything officially, and I would like to think that Bioware has kept going forward on inclusiveness in their games. At this point, we can only cross our fingers and hope.
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Post by naytnavare on Mar 2, 2017 0:31:08 GMT
Agreed. The idea that, for whatever reason, homosexual men don't have a squadmate LI, is ridiculous to me.
It's not a case of realism. Asari aren't realistic.
It's not a resource issue to have ONE male LI open to both, because, at the least, a lot of the work would be changing pronouns or animation edits.
It's not a 'too video-gamey' issue, BECAUSE MASS EFFECT IS A F***ING VIDEO GAME.
Gay players deserve rich, interesting and fully formed relations with viable main characters. It's what's right, it's what's profitable, it's what's just damn done. It's so far beyond reproach, we shouldn't have to debate, or worry. It should just effing be.
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Post by Natashina on Mar 2, 2017 0:41:26 GMT
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Mar 2, 2017 0:46:42 GMT
Agreed. The idea that, for whatever reason, homosexual men don't have a squadmate LI, is ridiculous to me. It's not a case of realism. Asari aren't realistic. It's not a resource issue to have ONE male LI open to both, because, at the least, a lot of the work would be changing pronouns or animation edits. It's not a 'too video-gamey' issue, BECAUSE MASS EFFECT IS A F***ING VIDEO GAME. Gay players deserve rich, interesting and fully formed relations with viable main characters. It's what's right, it's what's profitable, it's what's just damn done. It's so far beyond reproach, we shouldn't have to debate, or worry. It should just effing be. ^ this! Exactly this. I am not settling for some NPC romance when others get actual squad romances: Sara/Peebee, Sara/Jaal, Scott/Cora. Sure, nothing has been confirmed but nothing in the previews discredits any of the pairings I just mentioned. M/M is being left to flirt in some HUB. It is 2017, not 2004.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 0:51:32 GMT
Agreed. The idea that, for whatever reason, homosexual men don't have a squadmate LI, is ridiculous to me. It's not a case of realism. Asari aren't realistic. It's not a resource issue to have ONE male LI open to both, because, at the least, a lot of the work would be changing pronouns or animation edits. It's not a 'too video-gamey' issue, BECAUSE MASS EFFECT IS A F***ING VIDEO GAME. Gay players deserve rich, interesting and fully formed relations with viable main characters. It's what's right, it's what's profitable, it's what's just damn done. It's so far beyond reproach, we shouldn't have to debate, or worry. It should just effing be. ^ this! Exactly this. I am not settling for some NPC romance when others get actual squad romances: Sara/Peebee, Sara/Jaal, Scott/Cora. Sure, nothing has been confirmed but nothing in the previews discredits any of the pairings I just mentioned. M/M is being left to flirt in some HUB. It is 2017, not 2004. I haven't looked enough to know but if the speculation of Peebee interested in Angara was even remotely true, then wouldn't she be bi? Sorry if that derails anything! Continue on anons!
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 2, 2017 0:51:41 GMT
Man, I missed Darth Tobi. Well, if it turns out that the only m/m options are two human males, one a crewman and the other off world, then yeah, I will blame the writers to a certain extent, unless I know for certain they were writing with a gun to their head. What worries me is that this is a legit image that the devs have in their mind, that gay/bi men don't want alien romances. That's why I'm so loud about my need for gay alien romances, to combat all those '' ew no aliens '' comments that seem to be made oddly frequently by gay/bi men in this forum. I'm just super paranoid that the devs are lurking and taking notes ;_; If there are no gay/bi male aliens in MEA, alright, but I'm honestly going to ask the devs if male gayliens exist in the Mass Effect universe at all, because o gayliens in 4 games, something is definitely wrong there, like damn. Yeah, IIRC the only gaylien we've ever got was... one of Aria's thugs or smth. The turian with the human fetish? It's been a while. Still, the notion of a writer actually having to fight and campaign for their character to be bi just shouldn't happen, and its really, really troubling to me. People act like the writers always have control over the sexuality of their characters. People even use that to justify the character being straight rather than bi or gay. However, there's been numerous cases where a character was almost bi, and it ultimately didn't happen. Oftentimes, LGBT writers and LGBT allies have had to campaign for said content. Gaider did so for years. Like Safiya and Gann in NWN2. Their writers envisioned them as bisexual... and the execs said nope, so they're only romanceable by opposite sex PCs, even when one of them is... literally your reincarnated lover and the other falls in love with your mind more than your body. Not Bioware, but still.
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Post by cespar on Mar 2, 2017 0:52:22 GMT
😘 Seriously, though. Jaal needs to be bi so hard, and so hard bi. If he isn't, I'll have to avoid him, I can't deal with a bromance-y friendship full of subtext that leaves me pining then hurting cause subtext and queerbaiting is all I'm destined for in the fandoms I love at the moment. So if he isn't available to you, you will miss out on a chance learning about a new alien species?
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Mar 2, 2017 0:54:46 GMT
^ this! Exactly this. I am not settling for some NPC romance when others get actual squad romances: Sara/Peebee, Sara/Jaal, Scott/Cora. Sure, nothing has been confirmed but nothing in the previews discredits any of the pairings I just mentioned. M/M is being left to flirt in some HUB. It is 2017, not 2004. I haven't looked enough to know but if the speculation of Peebee interested in Angara was even remotely true, then wouldn't she be bi? Sorry if that derails anything! Continue on anons! I was more or less stating that Sara gets a f/f in the squad, in addition to an of course f/m, while Scott does not get a m/m and m/f option.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 0:58:03 GMT
I haven't looked enough to know but if the speculation of Peebee interested in Angara was even remotely true, then wouldn't she be bi? Sorry if that derails anything! Continue on anons! I was more or less stating that Sara gets a f/f in the squad, in addition to an of course f/m, while Scott does not get a m/m and m/f option. Ah I see. slinks into the dark and goes back to lurking
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Post by megs80 on Mar 2, 2017 0:58:46 GMT
I've not yet seen anything from the game that definitively states their won't be any Bi/Gay Squad-mates. I've seen some fans try to extrapolate from the very limited info available but that can only go so far. We don't know otherwise, and until we do I refuse to have my enthusiasm doused. Also given their line about more varied types of romance available in MEA I see no reason why there can't be asexual (Central/Plot relevant) options either. (Leaks could have been from an earlier stage of development, or there could have been some confusion)
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Mar 2, 2017 1:00:32 GMT
I've not yet seen anything from the game that definitively states their won't be any Bi/Gay Squad-mates. I've seen some fans try to extrapolate from the very limited info available but that can only go so far. We don't know otherwise, and until we do I refuse to have my enthusiasm doused. Also given their line about more varied types of romance available in MEA I see no reason why there can't be asexual (Central/Plot relevant) options either. (Leaks could have been from an earlier stage of development, or there could have been some confusion) I guess all we can have now is hope, even if it feels like a fool's hope. If Vetra and Peebee are both available for Sara and Scott, I will be insanely upset about things.
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Post by naychan on Mar 2, 2017 1:18:35 GMT
Sometimes I think Liam not LI, srsly. Could it be? Maybe he has a family. People not actively talking about him. But nvm. About our gaylien The problem is that no matter how good npc, cuz he still just npc. Have you seen how people talk about Jaal romance? "You will be surprised!" "Fantastic!" "You should try Jaal!" (this about alistair comparison) and more things like this. But it's not about NPC romances. and look this! it's amazing
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 2, 2017 1:26:05 GMT
I am not giving up hope just yet. Until the game is out or Bioware themselves deny it, I will still believe that at least three of Liam, Jaal, Gil, and Reyes will be m/m options. As well you should keep believing. I've watched some people change their stories on the leaks, so I am taking what they say as rumor and speculation. I've said it before in other threads, but people should not take these rumors as facts; if the leaks aren't true, then a lot of people got worked up/had mental breakdowns/spazzed the hell out, etc. for no reason whatsoever. We haven't heard anything officially, and I would like to think that Bioware has kept going forward on inclusiveness in their games. At this point, we can only cross our fingers and hope. True. Nothing is confirmed yet. Even if it turns out to be completely untrue the devs reaction to our inquiries and concerns should not just be brushed off. The bias in their responses ,or lack there of, to m/f and m/m questions from fans is deplorable.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 1:44:44 GMT
I've been seeing some preload screenshots. Hopefully the leaks start rolling in soon.
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Post by Crim on Mar 2, 2017 1:45:29 GMT
Sometimes I think Liam not LI, srsly. Could it be? Maybe he has a family. People not actively talking about him. But nvm. IMO, Liam doesn't have a controversial haircut and is less of a mysterious, new thing than Jaal. There's even less discussion of Drack. Maybe Liam's not an LI! I doubt that, though. ant look this! it's amazing Perhaps, but I don't wanna cuddle with those weird neck-pec-bicep things. I know that's space racist. I'm sorry.That's okay man, I can't bang anything that isn't an asari or a human. I'm okay with muh lite space racism.
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Post by naychan on Mar 2, 2017 1:45:44 GMT
Sometimes I think Liam not LI, srsly. Could it be? Maybe he has a family. People not actively talking about him. But nvm. IMO, Liam doesn't have a controversial haircut and is less of a mysterious, new thing than Jaal. There's even less discussion of Drack. Maybe Liam's not an LI! I doubt that, though. ant look this! it's amazing Perhaps, but I don't wanna cuddle with those weird neck-pec-bicep things. I know that's space racist. I'm sorry. We all have different preferences (or different tastes idk how say it). But I would like a choice in a game where we have aliens and humans. ^ ^
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 1:46:22 GMT
I've been seeing some preload screenshots. Hopefully the leaks start rolling in soon. It's harder to leak console stuff I heard, but it has happened before. Let's hope
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Post by PhatePhoenix on Mar 2, 2017 1:47:03 GMT
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 2, 2017 1:47:41 GMT
Sometimes I think Liam not LI, srsly. Could it be? Maybe he has a family. People not actively talking about him. But nvm. About our gaylien The problem is that no matter how good npc, cuz he still just npc. Have you seen how people talk about Jaal romance? "You will be surprised!" "Fantastic!" "You should try Jaal!" (this about alistair comparison) and more things like this. But it's not about NPC romances. and look this! it's amazing *clicking the right mouse button - saving image - done* Thank you, my life is complete now.
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Post by franklydeer on Mar 2, 2017 1:48:47 GMT
Man, all this waiting is driving me nuts. I feel like I'm actually getting less hyped for release the closer we get. I just want to know who I can romance before I start playing so I don't get too attached to a character. I got to have time, yo! Get all the disappointment out and then move on. (Five stages of grief pls) I know romance is just a small aspect of the game, and I'm probably much too invested in this than is healthy, but it's my favorite part and the way it's done is really unique to Bioware games. That's why they're some of my favorites! (And that's the reason for many other people, too.) Though, I do feel for the devs. I feel like they put off releasing the characters this time because people freak out and that's all that gets talked about for awhile... but now 75% percent of the questions they're getting asked are about romance. It's a lose-lose. (Though I would much rather take the freakouts over this. No personal bias there, nope, none!) Anyone got an estimate for when all the character options will finally be known? I'm trying hard to avoid spoilers (it's a minefield!) but do want to find those out before I play. :sob:
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