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Post by naytnavare on Mar 3, 2017 22:08:42 GMT
If it makes y'all feel better, you can play Fire Emblem and romance Tharja/Rhajat and Niles...? Granted, NO EFFING IDEAL WHY SOLIEL AND FORREST ARE STRAIGHT LI ONLY, but at least there's some squad/team LGBTQ there. .... or Camilla... or Takumi. Leo. Hinoka. Effie. You know, there's a lot of LGBTQ characters or archetypes not given the full availability treatment. I revoke my statement.
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Post by disgustednoise on Mar 3, 2017 22:09:39 GMT
That 13 minute video has only made me love Cora more, hate you right now Bioware... Same. Cora is by far my pre-release fave. And while I would way prefer to romance her with Sara, I still love romancing Miranda in ME2, so at least I'll have Scott/Cora to fall back on if Liam isn't an option for Scott and they did a half ass job on the Gil/Reyes/Suvi NPC-mances. I just need some of that sweet, sweet human love for my personal canon. Even if it doesn't hit me in the all consuming feels like Shepard/Kaidan and Trevelyan/Dorian did.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 3, 2017 22:11:52 GMT
Yep, I really hate it when people use "realism" argument when it comes to lgbt content. People are willing to ignore other unrealistic in ME series, but when we ask for more lgbt content, it's almost as if the existence of lgbt people offends them. Indeed. People screaming "UNREALISTIC!!!" at the thought of numerous characters in a video game liking the same sex has always been a completely absurd argument to me. Complain about the lack of LGBT content and you get responses like, "Well, I know it sucks for you, but you have to remember that the devs are striving for realism here!" Meanwhile, Sara is bumping uglies with a purple squid cobra cat man and nobody cares. HA HA!!! Jaal will now forever be known to me as 'Purple Squid Cobra Cat Man'.
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Post by Crim on Mar 3, 2017 22:12:19 GMT
If it makes y'all feel better, you can play Fire Emblem and romance Tharja/Rhajat and Niles...? Granted, NO EFFING IDEAL WHY SOLIEL AND FORREST ARE STRAIGHT LI ONLY, but at least there's some squad/team LGBTQ there. I don't even know what this is.
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Post by disgustednoise on Mar 3, 2017 22:13:34 GMT
Since I don't have any hope left for m/m romance in the squad, I'm headcanonizing my fem!Ryder and I have found the perfect gift for it. Vetra, I'm looking at you :ulikeit: Some gay is better than no gay. I still prefer FemHawke/Isabela over the other possibilities in DA2.
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Post by ash on Mar 3, 2017 22:14:59 GMT
Indeed. People screaming "UNREALISTIC!!!" at the thought of numerous characters in a video game liking the same sex has always been a completely absurd argument to me. Complain about the lack of LGBT content and you get responses like, "Well, I know it sucks for you, but you have to remember that the devs are striving for realism here!" Meanwhile, Sara is bumping uglies with a purple squid cobra cat man and nobody cares. HA HA!!! Jaal will now forever be known to me as 'Purple Squid Cobra Cat Man'. What about monocle rat lobster? Seriously tho, if Jaal isn't bi and day one patch won't fix it, I'm gonna file a complaint to Bioware with considering straight-only Jaal as a bug.
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Post by naytnavare on Mar 3, 2017 22:16:56 GMT
If it makes y'all feel better, you can play Fire Emblem and romance Tharja/Rhajat and Niles...? Granted, NO EFFING IDEAL WHY SOLIEL AND FORREST ARE STRAIGHT LI ONLY, but at least there's some squad/team LGBTQ there. I don't even know what this is. Fire Emblem? Only the greatest, customizable strategy game of ALL time.
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Post by ash on Mar 3, 2017 22:20:37 GMT
I don't even know what this is. Fire Emblem? Only the greatest, customizable strategy game of ALL time. It also requires Nintendo 3DS. In some countries you'd be super lucky if you find it in some store in a shop that is located 2k kilometers away from your town and won't ship. Le sigh. Nintendo isn't exactly popular here. More like "barely known and all peeps who know about games for it played them with some help of an emulator". And 3ds has no working emulator for FE.
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Post by naytnavare on Mar 3, 2017 22:20:38 GMT
Since I don't have any hope left for m/m romance in the squad, I'm headcanonizing my fem!Ryder and I have found the perfect gift for it. Vetra, I'm looking at you :ulikeit: Some gay is better than no gay. I still prefer FemHawke/Isabela over the other possibilities in DA2. I headcanon my MHawke w/ Isabela and- nevermind. I enjoy the modicum respect I have around here. 🤐
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Post by naytnavare on Mar 3, 2017 22:21:36 GMT
Fire Emblem? Only the greatest, customizable strategy game of ALL time. It also requires Nintendo 3DS. In some countries you'd be super lucky if you find it in some store in a shop that is located 2k kilometers away from your town and won't ship. Le sigh. Nintendo isn't exactly popular here. More like "barely known and all peeps who know about games for it played them with some help of an emulator". And 3ds has no working emulator for FE. You ever wanna work something out, I can't afford to buy one for you, but I'll cover the shipping if you need a middleman!
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Post by ash on Mar 3, 2017 22:25:50 GMT
It also requires Nintendo 3DS. In some countries you'd be super lucky if you find it in some store in a shop that is located 2k kilometers away from your town and won't ship. Le sigh. Nintendo isn't exactly popular here. More like "barely known and all peeps who know about games for it played them with some help of an emulator". And 3ds has no working emulator for FE. You ever wanna work something out, I can't afford to buy one for you, but I'll cover the shipping if you need a middleman! Thanks for your kind offering, but I think I'll pass. I'm too shy to actually receive it. But there's a ray of hope that my next business trip will get me to Moscow, where I'll be able to grab it. Living in an almost third-world country with 2 cities aiming for being first-world ones is fun.
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Post by naytnavare on Mar 3, 2017 22:31:51 GMT
You ever wanna work something out, I can't afford to buy one for you, but I'll cover the shipping if you need a middleman! Thanks for your kind offering, but I think I'll pass. I'm too shy to actually receive it. But there's a ray of hope that my next business trip will get me to Moscow, where I'll be able to grab it. Living in an almost third-world country with 2 cities aiming for being first-world ones is fun. Let me know if you do get one? I'll friend code you so hard, it'll bruise your mailbox. ❤
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Post by Jaal Is Not Ojingeo on Mar 3, 2017 22:38:26 GMT
If it makes y'all feel better, you can play Fire Emblem and romance Tharja/Rhajat and Niles...? Granted, NO EFFING IDEAL WHY SOLIEL AND FORREST ARE STRAIGHT LI ONLY, but at least there's some squad/team LGBTQ there. I play that game (although, the Japanese version, so the character is Zero and I think Shara. I never got her lol). It's fun but suggesting this is kind of like 'if you're sad about Mass Effect, you can gay marry in the Sims.' Lol. Too bad few RPGs can really match to BioWare when it comes to romance paths.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 3, 2017 22:43:21 GMT
Since I don't have any hope left for m/m romance in the squad, I'm headcanonizing my fem!Ryder and I have found the perfect gift for it. Vetra, I'm looking at you :ulikeit: Some gay is better than no gay. I still prefer FemHawke/Isabela over the other possibilities in DA2. THIS ^ Isabela is my fav romance in DA2 :3
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 3, 2017 22:48:56 GMT
To be fair, Dorian, Anders, and Iron Bull can break some hearts too, and they're all m/m options. So can Zevran, when you play DA2 and HE CHEATS ON YOU BECAUSE THEY NEVER FIXED THAT BUG And Kaiden can die even before ME3 and again during ME3 before the romance content kicks in depending on our decisions. And the romance ends tragically in most possible outcomes, though that goes for all of them as well.
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Post by naytnavare on Mar 3, 2017 22:51:44 GMT
If it makes y'all feel better, you can play Fire Emblem and romance Tharja/Rhajat and Niles...? Granted, NO EFFING IDEAL WHY SOLIEL AND FORREST ARE STRAIGHT LI ONLY, but at least there's some squad/team LGBTQ there. I play that game (although, the Japanese version, so the character is Zero and I think Shara. I never got her lol). It's fun but suggesting this is kind of like 'if you're sad about Mass Effect, you can gay marry in the Sims.' Lol. Too bad few RPGs can really match to BioWare when it comes to romance paths. Fair point. I just want everyone to be happy. Also, of conservative-ass Nintendo (ot no ass, as the case may be) can have LGBTQ squad/teammates, Bioware can, too. Harumph.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 3, 2017 22:56:05 GMT
Pfft... Jaal is gonna break our hearts. Female gamers always get screwed over. Liam is a safer bet imo. To be fair, Dorian, Anders, and Iron Bull can break some hearts too, and they're all m/m options. While Dorian's romance can potentially break your heart it looks like his romance will carry over into DA4. There were very strong hints that The Inquisitor may play a role in upcoming games, even if they aren't returning as a playable character. And Dorian has been cemented as part of the overreaching story and will no doubt be featured when we go to Tevinter. So Dorian's romance, while we may not be actively involved in it, will traverse games, just as Solas' and Lavellan's may. Morrigan and Leliana's romance with the Warden didn't exactly carry over as the Warden was absent but I personally consider it to be romance content. An echo if you will. The same with Hawke and their romance.
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Post by Sarayne on Mar 3, 2017 22:56:57 GMT
I reiterate: But also: don't lose hope. There's been zero official confirmation on Jaal or even Liam. Just noncommittal tweets and leaks with so many variations they may as well start their own colony. It's hard to not lose hope, but yeah you're right, for now being negative helps me to have my feet on the ground in case of a big disappointment. VETRA IS SO TALL As a short person, I have always wanted to date someone much taller than me. So if the leak is true I will get my wish 😍
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Post by lightdrago3 on Mar 3, 2017 23:20:45 GMT
Came here excited at the prospect of Scott romancing Liam. Got to the last page disappointed and disheartened.
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Post by ash on Mar 3, 2017 23:21:49 GMT
Thanks for your kind offering, but I think I'll pass. I'm too shy to actually receive it. But there's a ray of hope that my next business trip will get me to Moscow, where I'll be able to grab it. Living in an almost third-world country with 2 cities aiming for being first-world ones is fun. Let me know if you do get one? I'll friend code you so hard, it'll bruise your mailbox. ❤ Of course! Tho that may be a looong shot. To be fair, Dorian, Anders, and Iron Bull can break some hearts too, and they're all m/m options. While Dorian's romance can potentially break your heart it looks like his romance will carry over into DA4. There were very strong hints that The Inquisitor may play a role in upcoming games, even if they aren't returning as a playable character. And Dorian has been cemented as part of the overreaching story and will no doubt be featured when we go to Tevinter. So Dorian's romance, while we may not be actively involved in it, will traverse games, just as Solas' and Lavellan's may. Morrigan and Leliana's romance with the Warden didn't exactly carry over as the Warden was absent but I personally consider it to be romance content. An echo if you will. The same with Hawke and their romance. Every romance from DAO but Zevran was "an echo" (Zev, out of them all, is actually with warden), but they all hope for a reunion. It's hard to bring Gray Warden back since they had no voice, 3 race options and tons of possible outcomes. So, maybe in DA4 we'll get a letter with Leliana/Morri/Alistair's reunion with them if they are not present in game? And to think about Hawke, I wouldn't drag my loved one with me too in that situation (and Hawke actually has well-reasoned explanation for every LI). But it is mentioned that they are still together and happy. I really don't know what to think about DA4 at this point. Everything they revealed so far seems to be about Tevinter, and Dorian looks like an important person there by the end of Trespasser. Considering they need to include options for: a) Dorian with no romance and no Bull; Dorian with Inquisitior; c) Dorian with Bull... Too much work. Probably another letter, or 1-quest-screentime for the inquisitor. Or a mere mention. And that's me being optimistic. There were no actual hints of Inquisitor being present in-game, only overreaching about their maybes. There are inquisitors who are living happily in Antiva with Josie, who are living simple life with Cullen. There was an option to say "nope outta here, I'm too tired, never again" at the end. It will be hard to bring them back as a character, way harder than Hawke, who ultimately had one ending. Easier than warden, but still.
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Post by riou on Mar 3, 2017 23:31:14 GMT
First, none of the sexualities has been confirmed for any of the characters that are being teased, so I don't know where you're getting the assumption that it has to be m/f or f/f. The people who are asking about m/m wants to know which characters that are available to them. Teasing about sexy time doesn't equal their gender preference. Second, the last game that came out had some great NPCs with some really good romance arc. Plus, if I remember correctly, M/f and F/f had one companion romance while M/m had two of them. With F/m having the most romance available as companion. Bioware has already stated countless time that the NPCs onboard the Tempest have just as content as the Squad member. Even some of the articles that came out praised the Npc onboard the Tempest. But, you guys are all adults with mind of y'all own. Keep thinking Bioware is personally attacking you, when they've been making LGBT characters just as important as the straight characters. Companion wise, Still hope you guys can at least get Jaal. I feel like I keep coming back to this point in this thread, and because I have responded to it multiple times, I feel that I have enough experience talking about the issue to try to simplify and clarify my position here.
When considering romance content, there is a difference between quantity, quality, and kind. NPC romances can have the same quantity of content as squad romances. NPC romances can have the same quality of content as squad romances. But NPC romances cannot have the same kind of content as squad romances.
As has been said before, there are certain kinds of events and interactions that can only take place in the field, and there is a certain level of depth of relationship that can only be developed through the constant contact that being a member of the squad can provide. Banter, reactions, and the sheer force of physical presence are, with few and limited exceptions, within the sole domain of squadmates, and, as such, can only be used as tools to develop a romantic arc with those squadmates. NPCs might get a few lines of dialogue spoken in the player's ear sprinkled throughout the game, but there is simply no comparison between the weight of interaction that NPCs have in the field when held against squadmates.
I hope that everyone gets at least one squad romance option. I hope the pessimism that I've seen in this thread turns out to be unwarranted. I want everyone to be fairly treated, and I want everyone to be happy with what the game presents them.
But the reality is that the marketing and developer comments have not come across as understanding of the concerns that have been raised in this thread. It took us two full games of drought before m/m options were even a possibility for Shepard, and while it would be disappointing if there was no m/m option for Ryder on the squad in Andromeda, it would not be a surprise.
Okay, now... /rant off
That was a bit longer than I expected. Time for happy hopeful thoughts.
The thing is, if the only difference between NPCs and Squadmates is the (non-romantic) field banter and their sheer presence, then that's a very small and shallow degree of difference that an NPC can make up for with extended interactions or more frequent ones. And while such interactions with a squadmate CAN be used to enhance a connection that leads to a desire for romance, whether that actually happens or not is up to the player, which makes saying that squadmates objectively have the better content by sheer virtue of being in your squad well, not very objective.
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Post by lurkinganon on Mar 3, 2017 23:45:01 GMT
I'm also putting most of my hopes of an M/M relationship with Kallo Jath.
The more I see and hear of Bro Ryder, I can't help but feel he and Kallo would make a cute couple.
Would it make everyone happy? No, people wanted Jaal and I'm aware of that (and I wanted Jaal as an option as well). But it would really ease my concern of them being afraid to write outside their comfort zone.
If they not only go with an alien/human m/m romance, But a sweet relationship with a Salarian guy that didn't end with boning as well.
So I'll be crossing my fingers for Scott/Kallo.
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Post by Jaal Is Not Ojingeo on Mar 3, 2017 23:47:19 GMT
I'm also putting most of my hopes of an M/M relationship with Kallo Jath. The more I see and hear of Bro Ryder, I can't help but feel he and Kallo would make a cute couple. Would it make everyone happy? No, people wanted Jaal and I'm aware of that (and I wanted Jaal as an option as well). But it would really ease my concern of them being afraid to write outside their comfort zone. If they not only go with an alien/human m/m romance, But a sweet relationship with a Salarian guy that didn't end with boning. So I'll be crossing my fingers for Scott/Kallo. Honestly, I'd expect them to start with Sara/Kallo or another salarian rather than Scott. They do not seem incredibly comfortable with writing out of their comfort zone...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 23:48:57 GMT
I'm also putting most of my hopes of an M/M relationship with Kallo Jath. The more I see and hear of Bro Ryder, I can't help but feel he and Kallo would make a cute couple. Would it make everyone happy? No, people wanted Jaal and I'm aware of that (and I wanted Jaal as an option as well). But it would really ease my concern of them being afraid to write outside their comfort zone. If they not only go with an alien/human m/m romance, But a sweet relationship with a Salarian guy that didn't end with boning as well. So I'll be crossing my fingers for Scott/Kallo. It's a shame only Sara flirted with Kallo in that one playthrough. I wonder if any Scott players tried? Maybe an article says so? I know one Scott player said he flirted with everyone, but never really named names.
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