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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Feb 4, 2017 18:33:32 GMT
Just wanted to say I'm with LiaraShepard on the representation. While I believe it would be a bit much for characters to go out of their way to speak in flowery words about being "xobscuresexuality " why not include optional sex scenes or fade to blacks so people can headcanon or at the very least feel comfortable during a romance. One doesn't have to be ace to not want to see a sex scene or not want it in their romance.
I will also say why do people care so much that other people like romances? It doesn't hurt you or anyone else. I haaaate it when people get down on others for looking forward to bioware rlmances. So what? That's the only reason they play the game?? SO WHAT? It's their game, let them decide what content they care about, dude.
I see a lot of people be little others for being really invested in Bioware romances. It's something they enjoy and it pleases them? Unless a Bioware romance has caused someone to do something horrible or anything like that, why care? It doesn't bother you and I'm more than sure those majority who only care for the Bioware romances would not be little you for disliking them.
Sheeesssh some people need to chill.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 4, 2017 18:35:32 GMT
For the record, many gay people also have issues with movies being centered around problems with acceptance. Yes, I'm aware it happens a lot but it's not remotely my story. I think it's why I didn't identify with Dorian or Steve (the tears were too much - probably would have liked him more without them) but loved the Shepard/Kaidan romance. It was just these two guys getting together, no discussion of how anyone felt about in (other than that it's "a romance" not "gay romance") and no lifelong history of battling perceptions. Just two guys getting together. I suspect this also is true if FemShep romances Liara, Kelly or Samantha. I want representation but I'm not interested in seeing the sexual politics in the game. Now, if there were zero nudity in the game (none of that showers in underwear stuff, just avoid the full body shots) I'd be just fine. I'd also be fine with fade to blacks all around. Show some kissing and then cut to the cuddles. We could decide for ourselves if sex, and what type, actually happened. If nudity is showing up it should be equal, but I'd just as soon we have none.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 18:39:38 GMT
Just wanted to say I'm with LiaraShepard on the representation. While I believe it would be a bit much for characters to go out of their way to speak in flowery words about being "xobscuresexuality " why not include optional sex scenes or fade to blacks so people can headcanon or at the very least feel comfortable during a romance. One doesn't have to be ace to not want to see a sex scene or not want it in their romance. I will also say why do people care so much that other people like romances? It doesn't hurt you or anyone else. I haaaate it when people get down on others for looking forward to bioware rlmances. So what? That's the only reason they play the game?? SO WHAT? It's their game, let them decide what content they care about, dude. I see a lot of people be little others for being really invested in Bioware romances. It's something they enjoy and it pleases them? Unless a Bioware romance has caused someone to do something horrible or anything like that, why care? It doesn't bother you and I'm more than sure those majority who only care for the Bioware romances would not be little you for disliking them. Sheeesssh some people need to chill. I simply don't care. BW gives me games I only imagined as a child when I would draw my own stories comic-style. BW romances are a major draw for me and I am proud to admit it and could care less if anyone thinks poorly of me for that. On the subject of romances though, I prefer them connected to the story instead of just a quickie or random hook-up. Solas is a good example of that, same with Alistair. I have yet to see an ME romance actually play a part in the main story in that same way. I'm hoping with MEA we get that experience.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 4, 2017 18:49:38 GMT
For the record, many gay people also have issues with movies being centered around problems with acceptance. Yes, I'm aware it happens a lot but it's not remotely my story. I think it's why I didn't identify with Dorian or Steve (the tears were too much - probably would have liked him more without them) but loved the Shepard/Kaidan romance. It was just these two guys getting together, no discussion of how anyone felt about in (other than that it's "a romance" not "gay romance") and no lifelong history of battling perceptions. Just two guys getting together. I suspect this also is true if FemShep romances Liara, Kelly or Samantha. I want representation but I'm not interested in seeing the sexual politics in the game. Now, if there were zero nudity in the game (none of that showers in underwear stuff, just avoid the full body shots) I'd be just fine. I'd also be fine with fade to blacks all around. Show some kissing and then cut to the cuddles. We could decide for ourselves if sex, and what type, actually happened. If nudity is showing up it should be equal, but I'd just as soon we have none. I think it depends, coming out stories have a lot of variation but the mainstream media mostly only shows one or two ways. Sure fighting against society values is one but not all are about only people getting together either, sometimes is even more an internal fight. My favorite coming story is from the most cheesy show I ever watch Supergirl, mostly because I saw myself on the character struggles. If the writers want to make something good, they have a lot of material on coming out stories, it is not only one narrative. As for Dorian, I love it, all of it. I think sometimes is necessary to have that narrative too, especially being written by a gay man and video games have almost nothing in that aspect.
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Post by Ianamus on Feb 4, 2017 18:54:45 GMT
Yeah, while I liked Dorians personality I found his backstory and personal quest to be very poor. Dragon Age was supposed to be a setting where same sex couples were generally accepted, women had more political and military power than in real life and so on. I was excited about finally getting gay companions, but then Dorians entire story revolved around how his family didn't like the fact he was gay- just like 99% of stories featuring gay men in mainstream media. I really admire Gaider as a writer, but it felt like Dorian was a way of vetting some of his own personal issues rather than writing something new and unique that fir the setting. What makes it worse is that the reason given was something like "I wanted LGBT people to feel that their struggles are represented". Not all of us grew up in conservative families or communities. When I told my parents I was bi they were completely fine with it- hell, my dad was head of the diversity and inclusion group at his workplace. Stories like Dorians don't represent me or my experiences at all. It's particularly annoying since bi and lesbian female characters don't seem to be shoehorned into these stories as often. Sera's personal quest and backstory was completely unrelated to her sexuality, as was Samantha's.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 4, 2017 19:15:19 GMT
[...] The honest truth is that even the vast majority of asexual players simply wouldn't be interested in pursuing a romance in-game in the first place, so an LI catered for asexual players would be appealing to a minority of a minority. Making my way through the thread so not sure if this has been addressed but jut wanted to point out that an asexual person isn't necessarily also aromantic. An asexual person could be disinterested, repulsed, or indifferent towards actual sex but could still be keenly interested in finding a romantic partner.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 19:26:40 GMT
So I think that is the current state of affairs. And following SofaJockey's rules, I'll spoiler leaked info, but won't spoiler confirmed information. Confirmed: Scott - Cora Pee Bee is a romance option, but we're not sure for who Not Confirmed, but based on evidence: Pee Bee is bisexual and will be available for both Scott and Sara (from my leak)
Jaal is bisexual and will be available for both Scott and Sara (from the other leak)
Liam is a romance option (from a dev tweet that suggested this)
Scott will have a human male romance option who is yet to be identified but is not Liam (from my leak)
Other than this, I think it's all speculation without any solid evidence to support it.
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Post by Ianamus on Feb 4, 2017 19:28:59 GMT
[...] The honest truth is that even the vast majority of asexual players simply wouldn't be interested in pursuing a romance in-game in the first place, so an LI catered for asexual players would be appealing to a minority of a minority. Making my way through the thread so not sure if this has been addressed but jut wanted to point out that an asexual person isn't necessarily also aromantic. An asexual person could be disinterested, repulsed, or indifferent towards actual sex but could still be keenly interested in finding a romantic partner. I know, which is why I only said that a majority of asexual would not be interested in pursuing a romance. That may be just an assumption on my part, but I know several asexual people myself and none of them have any interest in romance at all. In fact, I have yet to actually meet a non-aromantic asexual person in real life, despite the variety of people I know.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 19:31:23 GMT
So I think that is the current state of affairs. And following SofaJockey's rules, I'll spoiler leaked info, but won't spoiler confirmed information. Confirmed: Scott - Cora Pee Bee is a romance option, but we're not sure for who Not Confirmed, but based on evidence: Pee Bee is bisexual and will be available for both Scott and Sara (from my leak)
Jaal is bisexual and will be available for both Scott and Sara (from the other leak)
Liam is a romance option (from a dev tweet that suggested this)
Scott will have a human male romance option who is yet to be identified but is not Liam (from my leak)
Other than this, I think it's all speculation without any solid evidence to support it. Come on BioWare We've been downstream without a paddle for too long now with all this speculation. Please put us out of our misery
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Post by Ianamus on Feb 4, 2017 19:45:07 GMT
So I think that is the current state of affairs. And following SofaJockey's rules, I'll spoiler leaked info, but won't spoiler confirmed information. Confirmed: Scott - Cora Pee Bee is a romance option, but we're not sure for who Not Confirmed, but based on evidence: Pee Bee is bisexual and will be available for both Scott and Sara (from my leak)
Jaal is bisexual and will be available for both Scott and Sara (from the other leak)
Liam is a romance option (from a dev tweet that suggested this)
Scott will have a human male romance option who is yet to be identified but is not Liam (from my leak)
Other than this, I think it's all speculation without any solid evidence to support it. Would you mind going into more detail about the supposed Jaal leak?
I remember somebody bringing it up, but at the time I assumed they had simply misunderstood your leak. I also remember them stating that Jaal's m/m scene contained no nudity, but it wasn't clear if they meant it didn't have any explicit nudity or that it didn't even have shirtlessness and was fully clothed.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 4, 2017 19:45:18 GMT
So I think that is the current state of affairs. And following SofaJockey's rules, I'll spoiler leaked info, but won't spoiler confirmed information. Confirmed: Scott - Cora Pee Bee is a romance option, but we're not sure for who Not Confirmed, but based on evidence: Pee Bee is bisexual and will be available for both Scott and Sara (from my leak)
Jaal is bisexual and will be available for both Scott and Sara (from the other leak)
Liam is a romance option (from a dev tweet that suggested this)
Scott will have a human male romance option who is yet to be identified but is not Liam (from my leak)
Other than this, I think it's all speculation without any solid evidence to support it. Come on BioWare We've been downstream without a paddle for too long now with all this speculation. Please put us out of our misery I agree that this is actually painful to watch(I am including myself too), it is like begging for scarps because people want to be assure there is representation and good one at that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 19:48:17 GMT
Its especially vexing given how there rule of not revealing them has been broken twice.
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Post by PhatePhoenix on Feb 4, 2017 19:49:37 GMT
Making my way through the thread so not sure if this has been addressed but jut wanted to point out that an asexual person isn't necessarily also aromantic. An asexual person could be disinterested, repulsed, or indifferent towards actual sex but could still be keenly interested in finding a romantic partner. I know, which is why I only said that a majority of asexual would not be interested in pursuing a romance. That may be but an assumption on my part, but I know several asexual people myself and none of them have any interest in romance at all. In fact, I have yet to actually meet a non-aromantic asexual person in real life, despite the variety of people I know. We're out there. Watching. Waiting. Wanting asexual romances in your video games. [ SLINKS BY]
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 19:50:51 GMT
So I think that is the current state of affairs. And following SofaJockey's rules, I'll spoiler leaked info, but won't spoiler confirmed information. Confirmed: Scott - Cora Pee Bee is a romance option, but we're not sure for who Not Confirmed, but based on evidence: Pee Bee is bisexual and will be available for both Scott and Sara (from my leak)
Jaal is bisexual and will be available for both Scott and Sara (from the other leak)
Liam is a romance option (from a dev tweet that suggested this)
Scott will have a human male romance option who is yet to be identified but is not Liam (from my leak)
Other than this, I think it's all speculation without any solid evidence to support it. Would you mind going into more detail about the supposed Jaal leak?
I remember somebody bringing it up, but at the time I assumed they had simply misunderstood your leak. I also remember them stating that Jaal's m/m scene contained no nudity, but it wasn't clear if they meant it didn't have any explicit nudity or that it didn't even have shirtlessness and was fully clothed. One of the other posters has a friend who works at Bioware and told him Jaal was a bisexual romance and that his romance with Scott had no nudity (another fade to black). I PM'd him to get more details and that's about all he could offer because he was nervous that he'd said too much (he didn't want to get his friend in trouble). I'm sure you can find which poster it was if you dig for it (I remember him from old BSN), but I think he's been laying low since then so as not to draw attention to his post.
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Post by PhatePhoenix on Feb 4, 2017 19:51:23 GMT
So I think that is the current state of affairs. And following SofaJockey's rules, I'll spoiler leaked info, but won't spoiler confirmed information. Confirmed: Scott - Cora Pee Bee is a romance option, but we're not sure for who Not Confirmed, but based on evidence: Pee Bee is bisexual and will be available for both Scott and Sara (from my leak)
Jaal is bisexual and will be available for both Scott and Sara (from the other leak)
Liam is a romance option (from a dev tweet that suggested this)
Scott will have a human male romance option who is yet to be identified but is not Liam (from my leak)
Other than this, I think it's all speculation without any solid evidence to support it. The worst part is seeing things on Twitter and not knowing if they are people who've seen something, or just people who are talking about the things we've discussed. [ LONG SIGH]
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Post by Mihura on Feb 4, 2017 19:54:23 GMT
Its especially vexing given how there rule of not revealing them has been broken twice. It was not twice, there were various twitts about Jaal, Liam and Peebee being confirm, also Cora with the video. I am not following all the news, now that I am thinking about it people asked about Liam already for MaleRyder or Cora for FemRyder? I know people asked about Vetra and it was a no comments response, makes me thing that she is indeed not a LI.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 19:57:48 GMT
Its especially vexing given how there rule of not revealing them has been broken twice. It was not twice, there were various twitts about Jaal, Liam and Peebee being confirm, also Cora with the video. I am not following all the news, now that I am thinking about it people asked about Liam already for MaleRyder or Cora for FemRyder? I know people asked about Vetra and it was a no comments response, makes me thing that she is indeed not a LI. Bioware would really want to piss off a huge chunk of the fanbase if Vetra isn't a LI. I think it is more likely they want to keep it a surprise as long as possible.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 4, 2017 20:23:50 GMT
It was not twice, there were various twitts about Jaal, Liam and Peebee being confirm, also Cora with the video. I am not following all the news, now that I am thinking about it people asked about Liam already for MaleRyder or Cora for FemRyder? I know people asked about Vetra and it was a no comments response, makes me thing that she is indeed not a LI. Bioware would really want to piss off a huge chunk of the fanbase if Vetra isn't a LI. I think it is more likely they want to keep it a surprise as long as possible. If that was true they could just say yes like the others and not specify anything else. Also Vetra is the last female companion, which makes me think that maybe she is not a romance because I doubt they are all LIs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 20:55:44 GMT
Bioware would really want to piss off a huge chunk of the fanbase if Vetra isn't a LI. I think it is more likely they want to keep it a surprise as long as possible. If that was true they could just say yes like the others and not specify anything else. Also Vetra is the last female companion, which makes me think that maybe she is not a romance because I doubt they are all LIs. Them saying yes would ruin the surprise.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 21:23:54 GMT
Would you mind going into more detail about the supposed Jaal leak?
I remember somebody bringing it up, but at the time I assumed they had simply misunderstood your leak. I also remember them stating that Jaal's m/m scene contained no nudity, but it wasn't clear if they meant it didn't have any explicit nudity or that it didn't even have shirtlessness and was fully clothed. One of the other posters has a friend who works at Bioware and told him Jaal was a bisexual romance and that his romance with Scott had no nudity (another fade to black). I PM'd him to get more details and that's about all he could offer because he was nervous that he'd said too much (he didn't want to get his friend in trouble). I'm sure you can find which poster it was if you dig for it (I remember him from old BSN), but I think he's been laying low since then so as not to draw attention to his post. I'm not even sure if Jaal will be a bisexual romance option. If the sex scene with Sara is more explicit and the gay scene with Scott a simple fade to black, it could also be the case, that he isn't a romance option for him... I mean, there were voiced dialogue lines that implied a bisexual Kaidan in Mass Effect 1 and he turned out to be only available for female characters (until Mass Effect 3). So maybe they never planned to make Jaal bi and that's why there isn't an elaborate sex scene with Scott. I don't hope that this will be the case, but it could still be possible...
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Post by Foelhe on Feb 4, 2017 21:33:29 GMT
It was not twice, there were various twitts about Jaal, Liam and Peebee being confirm, also Cora with the video. I am not following all the news, now that I am thinking about it people asked about Liam already for MaleRyder or Cora for FemRyder? I know people asked about Vetra and it was a no comments response, makes me thing that she is indeed not a LI. Bioware would really want to piss off a huge chunk of the fanbase if Vetra isn't a LI. I think it is more likely they want to keep it a surprise as long as possible. BioWare's going to piss off a chunk of the fanbase no matter what they do. Not ruling Vetra romance out, but if they do make her a romance it won't be because they're worried about the reaction from the turians' fans.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 4, 2017 21:38:18 GMT
If that was true they could just say yes like the others and not specify anything else. Also Vetra is the last female companion, which makes me think that maybe she is not a romance because I doubt they are all LIs. Them saying yes would ruin the surprise. That would made a lot more sense for Jaal actually. Do not get me wrong I would love for Vetra to be a romance for Sara, she has one of my favorite writers and is tall as hell but I am just reading the sighs here
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Post by Ianamus on Feb 4, 2017 22:01:43 GMT
One of the other posters has a friend who works at Bioware and told him Jaal was a bisexual romance and that his romance with Scott had no nudity (another fade to black). I PM'd him to get more details and that's about all he could offer because he was nervous that he'd said too much (he didn't want to get his friend in trouble). I'm sure you can find which poster it was if you dig for it (I remember him from old BSN), but I think he's been laying low since then so as not to draw attention to his post. I'm not even sure if Jaal will be a bisexual romance option. If the sex scene with Sara is more explicit and the gay scene with Scott a simple fade to black, it could also be the case, that he isn't a romance option for him... I mean, there were voiced dialogue lines that implied a bisexual Kaidan in Mass Effect 1 and he turned out to be only available for female characters (until Mass Effect 3). So maybe they never planned to make Jaal bi and that's why there isn't an elaborate sex scene with Scott. I don't hope that this will be the case, but it could still be possible... It does seem incredibly unlikely that Sara would get a romance scene with Jaal and Scott would get no scene at all, if he is an option for both. Usually the scenes are almost identical.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 22:24:44 GMT
I'm not even sure if Jaal will be a bisexual romance option. If the sex scene with Sara is more explicit and the gay scene with Scott a simple fade to black, it could also be the case, that he isn't a romance option for him... I mean, there were voiced dialogue lines that implied a bisexual Kaidan in Mass Effect 1 and he turned out to be only available for female characters (until Mass Effect 3). So maybe they never planned to make Jaal bi and that's why there isn't an elaborate sex scene with Scott. I don't hope that this will be the case, but it could still be possible... It does seem incredibly unlikely that Sara would get a romance scene with Jaal and Scott would get no scene at all, if he is an option for both. Usually the scenes are almost identical. But the person who claimed it, has said the sex scene with Sara has nudity and the sex scene with Scott hasn't. He said Scott has partially nudity with Reves, and no nudity with Jaal. And that's the reason why I think maybe they don't plan to make Jaal bi. Maybe the so called "sex scene with no nudity" ends with a fade to black, because it was never animated and not intended to make it into the final game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 22:34:56 GMT
Them saying yes would ruin the surprise. That would made a lot more sense for Jaal actually. Do not get me wrong I would love for Vetra to be a romance for Sara, she has one of my favorite writers and is tall as hell but I am just reading the sighs here They didn't even blink an eye about what you could do to Jaal, but the silence about Vetra is a bit worrying.
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