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Post by The Elder King on Jan 29, 2017 18:25:02 GMT
Yeah, I meant, and probably them as well, their Edmonton games/not MMO. Even Origins can be hard to beat. Using a straight Dwarf Noble male as an example, he can get with two female Dwarves in the prologue, Leliana and Morrigan as companions, Isabela in the whore house, Gheyna(IIRC her name correctly) in the Dalish camp. As well as two kisses in Redcliffe. Based on my count, that have a total of 14 between the four full romances, 9 flings and Anora. It's not that unbeatable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 18:25:58 GMT
I dunno if Peebee and Vetra's relationship will be necessarily romantic. I think people might freak if a character whom they couldn't romance (but wanted to) ended up with another (romanceable) companion. Maybe. It seems like every time companions end up together there's backlash from some corners of the fandom. Yup, some people went nuclear when they found out Garrus and Tali could have a romance if none of them were romanced. It makes me laugh, as the only way for that to happen would be if you literally didn't romance either Garrus or Tali, so why would people even be upset over it, as long as they romance Garrus or Tali, it doesn't effect them. Also Hanako Ikezawa I am still holding out hope you get your chaste romance, and that the devs eventually put us out of our misery Thanks, though with these leaks it seems more and more likely I will be getting the bottom of the barrel in regards to this. I'd argue its the outcome of a major portion of the development team being straight men. It is reflective in the past romance options in ME games, and looks like it is shaping up to be the same with Andromeda. Also could explain the implications that the m/m romance scenes are tamer to the others. I'd love it if a squadmate could be asexual or chaste for you, but it seems more likely only an NPC or crewmember romance will offer this. I still think/hope Kallo is the asexual option.
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Post by Cannibal on Jan 29, 2017 18:27:34 GMT
Even Origins can be hard to beat. Using a straight Dwarf Noble male as an example, he can get with two female Dwarves in the prologue, Leliana and Morrigan as companions, Isabela in the whore house, Gheyna(IIRC her name correctly) in the Dalish camp. As well as two kisses in Redcliffe. Based on my count, that have a total of 14 between the four full romances, 9 flings and Anora. It's not that unbeatable. Now add in the ~20 options from the whore house. I hope they bring that back again, though instead of Nugs we can get some Varrens going.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 18:27:50 GMT
If Jaal is bi there's going to be tons of '' who is the better Ryder to romance him with '' debates, aren't there. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the secret gay male Turian romance we know nothing about yet. I know you exist... don't fail me now!! *sweats* The devs better make them equal romances, with equal content. I don't want it to be quote for quote the same, but I don't want the m/m romance to have less content, or vice versa, ala Kaidan in ME3. If Jaal is bi there's going to be tons of '' who is the better Ryder to romance him with '' debates, aren't there. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the secret gay male Turian romance we know nothing about yet. I know you exist... don't fail me now!! *sweats* I just hope Scot won't get a smaller version of the Jaal romance; with fewer scenes than the female romance counterpart....they did that with Kaidan, I don't want to see it again. Yup. Ditto.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 29, 2017 18:29:27 GMT
Based on my count, that have a total of 14 between the four full romances, 9 flings and Anora. It's not that unbeatable. Now add in the ~20 options from the whore house. I hope they bring that back again, though instead of Nugs we can get some Varrens going. I doubt they counted the options in the brother
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 29, 2017 18:35:09 GMT
If Jaal is bi there's going to be tons of '' who is the better Ryder to romance him with '' debates, aren't there. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the secret gay male Turian romance we know nothing about yet. I know you exist... don't fail me now!! *sweats* I just hope Scot won't get a smaller version of the Jaal romance; with fewer scenes than the female romance counterpart....they did that with Kaidan, I don't want to see it again. If Jaal is bi there's going to be tons of '' who is the better Ryder to romance him with '' debates, aren't there. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the secret gay male Turian romance we know nothing about yet. I know you exist... don't fail me now!! *sweats* The devs better make them equal romances, with equal content. I don't want it to be quote for quote the same, but I don't want the m/m romance to have less content, or vice versa, ala Kaidan in ME3. I just hope Scot won't get a smaller version of the Jaal romance; with fewer scenes than the female romance counterpart....they did that with Kaidan, I don't want to see it again. Yup. Ditto. Oh right, it completely slipped my mind that even if Jaal is bi, one of the routes could still be lesser than the other. Though I would still like if bi romances in general would be quite different (but with the same outcome and same amount of content) depending on who you romance them with, but I guess that's a waste of resources or whatever. GAY MALE TURIAN PLZ.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 18:39:41 GMT
I think people are taking the 'more options than ever before' thing a little too literally. The ME team isn't known for thinking before they speak. I suspect it was an off the cuff remark that everyone is banking on. I maintain that they were thinking of 'full romances' only for past games and then including flings for this game. It wouldn't be the first time we were dead wrong about dev comments. #alternativefacts
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Post by Blue-Slates on Jan 29, 2017 18:42:59 GMT
If Jaal is bi there's going to be tons of '' who is the better Ryder to romance him with '' debates, aren't there. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the secret gay male Turian romance we know nothing about yet. I know you exist... don't fail me now!! *sweats* I just hope Scot won't get a smaller version of the Jaal romance; with fewer scenes than the female romance counterpart....they did that with Kaidan, I don't want to see it again. oh man I hope so too, but in the Gayliens thread it was a pretty common complaint, so I'm hoping that there was a big enough stink made about it early enough that BW was able to take note of it. It shouldn't be a habit to compare the two, but I think Iron Bull's and Josephine's romances were equal between genders (even if Bull only ever seemd to talk about women. I hope if Jaal mentions a liking for people, there are some dudes among that number).
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Post by fialka on Jan 29, 2017 19:03:15 GMT
I think people are taking the 'more options than ever before' thing a little too literally. The ME team isn't known for thinking before they speak. I suspect it was an off the cuff remark that everyone is banking on. I maintain that they were thinking of 'full romances' only for past games and then including flings for this game. It wouldn't be the first time we were dead wrong about dev comments. #alternativefacts Exactly. The 'more romances than ever' comment (and that tweet referencing an impressive-sounding romance chart) certainly gives me hope... but not too much hope. Because they've also said there's a lot of casual encounters and flings and such, and I suspect those are being counted as well? And those really don't interest me at all. And, Mass Effect has a history of creating extra options for the straight guys when they do. Someone ran the numbers once somewhere, and in each game in the trilogy, if you include the flings and min-romances, straight guys got about double the options for romances as the next biggest group, and more than every other group combined in some cases. (Actually lesbian players get the next largest quantity, interestingly, though they largely tend to be of the superficial variety - I suspect that's more 'hot bi chick' trope than an attempt at being inclusive however). So... I suspect that plethora of extra romances might be for the straight guys this time around too... If that is just the flings and such that's fine, I just hope to see more balance among the real ones. But I'm not super optimistic. A little optimistic, though, maybe? At this point, I am pleased with the two options I'm reasonable sure I'll get, so more is just icing. I just hope the s/s options measure up to at least that this time, even if straight guys still get more. Also, I want to make sure it's clear that I don't advocate punishing straight male players for the previous imbalance by taking their options away or giving them less than everyone else or anything! I'd just like to see the distribution be a little more fair this time around.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 29, 2017 19:11:19 GMT
I think people are taking the 'more options than ever before' thing a little too literally. The ME team isn't known for thinking before they speak. I suspect it was an off the cuff remark that everyone is banking on. I maintain that they were thinking of 'full romances' only for past games and then including flings for this game. It wouldn't be the first time we were dead wrong about dev comments. #alternativefacts I think it's fair to be cautious, but they said that plenty of time. And as in general there seems to be more writing content in general. We'll see. It's not like I'm expecting 20 full romances, but I think there might be some good romance paths outside the crew and squad.
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Post by darcon on Jan 29, 2017 19:16:13 GMT
For the Tali and Garrus thing I laughed when I caught them together, wasn't expecting it at all and was happily surprised during that one playthrough.
I think some issues come from recent times where some people think they have to fill imaginary quotas of diversity of everything so when you have people trying to make a good game with good characters they add in characters that seem more filler, I believe if they just make the game mostly everyone will be happy. You can't really please everysingle person and that is true, when playing through the omega dlc I thought finally I can have a female turian on the team or maybe even a LI. Yes I was disappointed but I know they can't please everyone with everything or you just fall flat.
With that in mind while I hope and hope that Vetra will be a LI for Scott I won't be up in arms if she is one for Sara (will play either character the same either way) and while I will be sad if she isn't a LI at all I can still hold out for her or another female turian in the next game now that they are finally showing off the opposite sex of the female races.
Seriously I thought it was odd when you know that Female Turians are as equal as the male ones in the universe but you never seen a single one. Even if I got that last part wrong they weren't barred from leaving their home worlds, hell we even have a female krogan as a engineer for the nexus.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 29, 2017 19:18:31 GMT
Thanks, though with these leaks it seems more and more likely I will be getting the bottom of the barrel in regards to this. I'd argue its the outcome of a major portion of the development team being straight men. It is reflective in the past romance options in ME games, and looks like it is shaping up to be the same with Andromeda. Also could explain the implications that the m/m romance scenes are tamer to the others. I'd love it if a squadmate could be asexual or chaste for you, but it seems more likely only an NPC or crewmember romance will offer this. I still think/hope Kallo is the asexual option. Yeah, it seems the chances of a squadmate being that are out. Cora is out via official trailers, and through leaks PeeBee and Jaal are also out. Liam is most likely out since he's probably going to be like Cora in that regard due to being the main human male. That just leaves Vetra and Drack, whom are more and more likely not going to be LIs at all. Then in the NPC side of things, the person who is supposedly Reyes is out, and another human female is out as well. That's 6 romances that aren't going to have it, including all the squad ones and probably most if not all of the crew ones. That leaves maybe a crew one or the ones not on the Tempest, which are probably the 'light' ones like I feared.
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Post by Kimberly on Jan 29, 2017 19:20:59 GMT
I think 2 options for everyone is good. If another group gets a little more than me, I'm not going to throw a tantrum. Ideally everyone, even people who want an asexual romance, would have it in one of the starting companions. That's probably not going to happen.
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Post by Italian_Pathfinder on Jan 29, 2017 19:35:39 GMT
TBH, I don't want a romance between Vetra and PeeBee. I have nothing against our not-romanceable squadmates starting a relationship with someone else but not our possible LI. I'll be disappointed if this is what they're going to do with PeeBee and Vetra.
As for the romance options, what if they haven't revealed all the squadmates yet? I remember a leak that mentioned 7 squadmates. Did someone ask BioWare if this is the entire team? Because some things could be different if they haven't revealed everyone. Here's my guess anyway: - Liam: Bi - Cora: Straight - PeeBee: Bi - Vetra: Straight - Jaal: Bi - Drack: N/A And if we have a 7th squadmate, I think it's a straight male for Sara Ryder. I assume gay and lesbian options are both with a crewmate.
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Post by Panda on Jan 29, 2017 19:38:44 GMT
If Jaal is bi there's going to be tons of '' who is the better Ryder to romance him with '' debates, aren't there. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the secret gay male Turian romance we know nothing about yet. I know you exist... don't fail me now!! *sweats* I don't think that has happened with bi/pan DA characters though so I'd say that it likely won't with ME:A's either. I know it did with Kaidan's, but it had disparity in romance between genders since the start, being f/m option at ME1 and only m/m at ME3. So as long as the romance doesn't have differences between the genders like DA's case there shouldn't be any debate to have.
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Post by Joey on Jan 29, 2017 19:53:51 GMT
TBH, I don't want a romance between Vetra and PeeBee. I have nothing against our not-romanceable squadmates starting a relationship with someone else but not our possible LI. I'll be disappointed if this is what they're going to do with PeeBee and Vetra. I had nothing against squadmates romancing each other until DA: Inquisition, where DorianxIronBull romance had better ending in final Trespasser dlc than DorianxInquisitor (my canon). That was a bit heartbreaking to be honest. Even more heartbreaking, when female players considered DorianxIB as a canon. So, yeah, I don't want this with squadmates I'm going to romance either.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 29, 2017 19:59:21 GMT
I'm pretty set with ME:A romances, thinking of romancing Vetra with sis!Ryder and Jaal with bro!Ryder. At the moment it seems like this might come true, but you never know. DAI sure had some LI surprises for me like race-gating. I still hope this plan holds ^^; The race-gating in DAI was probably time-based and then they tried to pretend there were legitimate reasons behind it Honestly the DAI team flopped big in the romance department, but that's dead and gone at this point. ME peeps are a different team AND this team is almost totally overhauled from the trilogy. Hard to say what they'll do, though the ME trend is to favor straight player characters and particularly straight male player characters. As for me I'm feeling moderately content?? This is a first I can't get excited about Reyes/whomever because we literally don't know who this person is. As for Jaal, I'm quite curious about him and VERY pleased there's a good chance he'll be available to my character. That's rare in a BioWare game (that I learn I get who I want LOL). I almost wish he were gay instead of bi because a gay alien would be interesting, plus it would be kind of funny to see a favorite pre-launch male character go to the guys for once instead of the girls lol!! As for my girl Ryder, I am leaning towards Peebee so was quite happy to hear she's bi. If Vetra is interesting she might sway me. Would love for Vetra to be lesbian for the reasons listed above regarding Jaal. I know so many gay, lesbian, and bi people in my life, and perhaps this is because I'm in academia (where people are more comfortable being out) that it is just weird when that's not reflected in media I consume.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 20:02:59 GMT
Having 2 straight males/females, 2 bi, 2 lesbian/gay would work best imo.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 29, 2017 20:04:27 GMT
In DAI we had for females: Cullen Solas Blackwall For males we had: Cassandra Josephine Dorian was gay and Sera was a lesbian Bull would be like PeeBee. He was for both sexes but that did not stop us females from getting lots of male LI, so why should PeeBee limit the female options for Scott? Wait that's wrong unless I'm misunderstanding it? Female character in DAI had: Cullen, Solas, Blackwall, Iron Bull, Sera, Josephine. Male characters had: Dorian, Iron Bull, Josephine, Cassandra. With Cullen and Solas being also race-gated. I'm also not seeing why Peebee doesn't count as a female LI; she is clearly coded female. If asari looked like men we would consider them male love interests. /shrug
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 20:08:05 GMT
In DAI we had for females: Cullen Solas Blackwall For males we had: Cassandra Josephine Dorian was gay and Sera was a lesbian Bull would be like PeeBee. He was for both sexes but that did not stop us females from getting lots of male LI, so why should PeeBee limit the female options for Scott? Wait that's wrong unless I'm misunderstanding it? Female character in DAI had: Cullen, Solas, Blackwall, Iron Bull, Sera, Josephine. Male characters had: Dorian, Iron Bull, Josephine, Cassandra. With Cullen and Solas being also race-gated. I'm also not seeing why Peebee doesn't count as a female LI; she is clearly coded female. If asari looked like men we would consider them male love interests. /shrug I was talking about straight males and how adding IB and Josie (I forgot Josie lol) makes 6, so people saying PeeBee being a female LI for Scott knocks down the chance of Vetra made no sense to me.
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Post by Rynnju on Jan 29, 2017 20:12:30 GMT
I see people say that Vetra may not be a romance so all the women on the squad aren't romance options, but isn't it a little too soon to say that? Who's to say we don't have another female squadmate that we don't know yet joining the team? If we have a Kett squaddie, which many suspect we may, who's to say it won't be a non-romanceable female Kett? I actually think that'd be pretty cool, since our other Andromeda squaddie is male.
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Post by AGECCR on Jan 29, 2017 20:16:25 GMT
TBH, I don't want a romance between Vetra and PeeBee. I have nothing against our not-romanceable squadmates starting a relationship with someone else but not our possible LI. I'll be disappointed if this is what they're going to do with PeeBee and Vetra. I had nothing against squadmates romancing each other until DA: Inquisition, where DorianxIronBull romance had better ending in final Trespasser dlc than DorianxInquisitor (my canon). That was a bit heartbreaking to be honest. Even more heartbreaking, when female players considered DorianxIB as a canon. So, yeah, I don't want this with squadmates I'm going to romance either. I wasn't fond of that pairing, tbh (Dorian/Bull). Isn't it usually Li's who hook up if not romanced? Fenris/Isabela, Garrus/Tali, Dorian/Bull, and I've heard Alistar/Leliana in some of the endings for Origin... I'm not going to get mad if it happens again, but I will admit to not playing other romances because I didn't want to see my Li involved with someone else.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 29, 2017 20:21:50 GMT
I had nothing against squadmates romancing each other until DA: Inquisition, where DorianxIronBull romance had better ending in final Trespasser dlc than DorianxInquisitor (my canon). That was a bit heartbreaking to be honest. Even more heartbreaking, when female players considered DorianxIB as a canon. So, yeah, I don't want this with squadmates I'm going to romance either. I wasn't fond of that pairing, tbh (Dorian/Bull). Isn't it usually Li's who hook up if not romanced? Fenris/Isabela, Garrus/Tali, Dorian/Bull, and I've heard Alistar/Leliana in some of the endings for Origin... I'm not going to get mad if it happens again, but I will admit to not playing other romances because I didn't want to see my Li involved with someone else. Fenris is my canon LI for male Hawke and Isabela is canon LI for female Hawke. So it made it extremely difficult to force myself to try and romance the other two characters. I managed, but I couldn't travel with the two of them in the party; it just irritated me too much. I don't like the Bull x Dorian romance at all, so even if I don't romance either I won't let them travel together. I don't know why BioWare does that. Most people are either fine with it or just loathe it. I don't think anybody's really clamoring for it to happen.
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Post by Elsariel on Jan 29, 2017 20:22:15 GMT
I had nothing against squadmates romancing each other until DA: Inquisition, where DorianxIronBull romance had better ending in final Trespasser dlc than DorianxInquisitor (my canon). That was a bit heartbreaking to be honest. Even more heartbreaking, when female players considered DorianxIB as a canon. So, yeah, I don't want this with squadmates I'm going to romance either. I wasn't fond of that pairing, tbh (Dorian/Bull).Isn't it usually Li's who hook up if not romanced? Fenris/Isabela, Garrus/Tali, Dorian/Bull, and I've heard Alistar/Leliana in some of the endings for Origin... I'm not going to get mad if it happens again, but I will admit to not playing other romances because I didn't want to see my Li involved with someone else. Same - I'm not too keen on that pairing at all. That said, that's the only team member pairing I don't like. I'm pretty cool with all other ones. There is just something about those two that kinda make me go "ugh". I don't get it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 20:24:11 GMT
I was actually less fond of Garrus/Tali because even if I romanced him she pinned for him. It made me feel horrible! Dorian and Bull don't pine if the other is romanced. They only hook up if they are both alone.
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