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Post by Panda on Feb 16, 2017 8:37:58 GMT
I wonder if these characters met in wilds are just flings/one-night stands. I doubt they are full romances, since unless they are with us in the ship, wouldn't romancing them properly require us go to where they are repeatedly. I mean I guess in trilogy LI in Citadel where we visit multiple times anyways would have made sense, but it still sounds bit incovenient. So I'm thinkin that these are just one night stands and not more. I think there'll be a mix of casual encounters and romance paths in the planets. The terms Mac used was 'light' romance, so I guess they'll have less content, but I don't think it'll necessarily be just sex. He also said his favourite one was on a planet, so I think there are good chances some of them go beyond casual sex. Unless Bioware has really changed their approach I don't see how majority of players would find option like that interesting though. Lot of players are against romancing crew members as well and just want squadmate LIs. It would have to be one hell of romance to rule over romances with squadmates.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 16, 2017 8:40:29 GMT
I think there'll be a mix of casual encounters and romance paths in the planets. The terms Mac used was 'light' romance, so I guess they'll have less content, but I don't think it'll necessarily be just sex. He also said his favourite one was on a planet, so I think there are good chances some of them go beyond casual sex. Unless Bioware has really changed their approach I don't see how majority of players would find option like that interesting though. Lot of players are against romancing crew members as well and just want squadmate LIs. It would have to be one hell of romance to rule over romances with squadmates. I'm not saying people will find them interesting over squad and crew, I'm saying that they didn't just do casual encounters, based on what they said.
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Post by Panda on Feb 16, 2017 8:56:58 GMT
Unless Bioware has really changed their approach I don't see how majority of players would find option like that interesting though. Lot of players are against romancing crew members as well and just want squadmate LIs. It would have to be one hell of romance to rule over romances with squadmates. I'm not saying people will find them interesting over squad and crew, I'm saying that they didn't just do casual encounters, based on what they said. Well I'm just wondering what is the point with these ^^
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 16, 2017 9:06:19 GMT
I'm not saying people will find them interesting over squad and crew, I'm saying that they didn't just do casual encounters, based on what they said. Well I'm just wondering what is the point with these ^^ I guess they are trying to improve/change their formula for romance? We'll know soon enough
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Post by PhatePhoenix on Feb 16, 2017 12:34:30 GMT
I'm not saying people will find them interesting over squad and crew, I'm saying that they didn't just do casual encounters, based on what they said. Well I'm just wondering what is the point with these ^^ Well, because you can only have so many squadmates. Also, for people like me who really like the idea of non-squad LI.
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Post by fialka on Feb 16, 2017 13:03:51 GMT
I'm not saying people will find them interesting over squad and crew, I'm saying that they didn't just do casual encounters, based on what they said. Well I'm just wondering what is the point with these ^^ Consider this scenario: Say the Kett are divided into two factions, and while crossing paths with the Archon you also run into a rebel group. You get to know their leader fairly well, through extended dialogue, and maybe s/he even tags along on a couple missions. You can eventually visit his/her base, and a romance blossoms. Might be a fun option for people wanting a Kett romance, assuming we don't get a Kett squadmate. Here's another: if you played the trilogy, you might recall a Quarian by the name of Kal'Reegar. He actually developed quite the following among the fanbase, just from his one scene during that Geth fight, and his few lines of dialogue on the Flotialla during Tali's loyalty mission. Now what if we could have gone back to the Flotialla, to trade, maybe grab a side quest where Kal works with us? And that develops into a romance where you get to go on a date, have a romantic scene, and so on. How many Kal'Reegar fangirls (and boys) would have loved that opportunity? How many people would have loved the opportunity to have a real romance with Aria, for that matter? Yeah, all of these romances would be relatively light on content compared to the squad and crew. But it would still be cool to have that option - for fans of those characters, for people not happy with the few options they get among the squad and crew, for people looking for something a little different for a romance arc, or even just people who've played the game a million times and like to romance someone different each playthrough. Personally, I'm pretty excited by the prospects this opens up.
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Post by Panda on Feb 16, 2017 13:42:21 GMT
Well I'm just wondering what is the point with these ^^ Consider this scenario: Say the Kett are divided into two factions, and while crossing paths with the Archon you also run into a rebel group. You get to know their leader fairly well, through extended dialogue, and maybe s/he even tags along on a couple missions. You can eventually visit his/her base, and a romance blossoms. Might be a fun option for people wanting a Kett romance, assuming we don't get a Kett squadmate. Here's another: if you played the trilogy, you might recall a Quarian by the name of Kal'Reegar. He actually developed quite the following among the fanbase, just from his one scene during that Geth fight, and his few lines of dialogue on the Flotialla during Tali's loyalty mission. Now what if we could have gone back to the Flotialla, to trade, maybe grab a side quest where Kal works with us? And that develops into a romance where you get to go on a date, have a romantic scene, and so on. How many Kal'Reegar fangirls (and boys) would have loved that opportunity? How many people would have loved the opportunity to have a real romance with Aria, for that matter? Yeah, all of these romances would be relatively light on content compared to the squad and crew. But it would still be cool to have that option - for fans of those characters, for people not happy with the few options they get among the squad and crew, for people looking for something a little different for a romance arc, or even just people who've played the game a million times and like to romance someone different each playthrough. Personally, I'm pretty excited by the prospects this opens up. The problem with these would be that they would be hard to tie into other happenings of the game in meaningful way. They wouldn't be on the ship reacting to stuff happening so they would be lacking compared. I guess some wouldn't mind that, but at least I'd rather take full romance with squadmate that has more content and reacts to stuff that is happening in the game than more static one far away. I'd get it as one night stand, having some fun time and then moving on, but it would hard to implement as meaningful romance.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Feb 16, 2017 14:24:01 GMT
I wonder if one of these fling romances could be full romances in the next game, since a narrative point of view it would be very organic. All this judging how the fanbase would react to these flings of course.
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Post by Elsariel on Feb 16, 2017 15:52:40 GMT
Consider this scenario: Say the Kett are divided into two factions, and while crossing paths with the Archon you also run into a rebel group. You get to know their leader fairly well, through extended dialogue, and maybe s/he even tags along on a couple missions. You can eventually visit his/her base, and a romance blossoms. Might be a fun option for people wanting a Kett romance, assuming we don't get a Kett squadmate. Here's another: if you played the trilogy, you might recall a Quarian by the name of Kal'Reegar. He actually developed quite the following among the fanbase, just from his one scene during that Geth fight, and his few lines of dialogue on the Flotialla during Tali's loyalty mission. Now what if we could have gone back to the Flotialla, to trade, maybe grab a side quest where Kal works with us? And that develops into a romance where you get to go on a date, have a romantic scene, and so on. How many Kal'Reegar fangirls (and boys) would have loved that opportunity? How many people would have loved the opportunity to have a real romance with Aria, for that matter? Yeah, all of these romances would be relatively light on content compared to the squad and crew. But it would still be cool to have that option - for fans of those characters, for people not happy with the few options they get among the squad and crew, for people looking for something a little different for a romance arc, or even just people who've played the game a million times and like to romance someone different each playthrough. Personally, I'm pretty excited by the prospects this opens up. The problem with these would be that they would be hard to tie into other happenings of the game in meaningful way. They wouldn't be on the ship reacting to stuff happening so they would be lacking compared. I guess some wouldn't mind that, but at least I'd rather take full romance with squadmate that has more content and reacts to stuff that is happening in the game than more static one far away. I'd get it as one night stand, having some fun time and then moving on, but it would hard to implement as meaningful romance. I'm kind of thinking of them like Sebastian Vael's romance in DA2. That romance was pretty tame compared to the main LI's but his Rivalmance still has a soft place in my heart and it's one of the pairings I always search for when I go looking for fanfics. I like the idea of having romances like that scattered here and there in the game. It will play with my imagination and even if it's not as in-depth as the main LI's, I'm hoping I'll find a romance that I fall in love with. And what the game doesn't provide... fanfics surely will!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 16:38:47 GMT
If it is a cool granny I am ok with it! I would love an older female love interest. Especially if she's a lesbian. Most of our f/f options in Bioware games are so young. The only exception I can think of is Samara, who is probably my favorite f/f option in the whole trilogy. Some people have also expressed interest in snuggling Doc Chakwas. I'm sorry, but I really don't get this. I do understand that features like gray/graying hair, wrinkles, and any other visual sign of aging is a turn-off for a lot of people. But I've yet to see an asari matriarch or adult krogan with any visible sign of aging. It seems to me like what you're saying here is that it's okay to romance, say, a 300 year-old asari or krogan, but not an 800 year-old, in spite of the fact that there is no visible difference in appearance and either one would outlive you, anyway. If it's a mental gap that is of concern, then I would suggest that Samara / Shepard have a huge one - yet you've stated the Samara is your fav. I've also seen people express their lack of interest in, for example, an asari LI due to the difference in lifespan. The individuals were bothered about the idea that their character would devote his/her entire life to the relationship, and the LI would outlive them by centuries, and probably take on (an)other mate(s) long after they're gone. An older asari or krogan could presumably offer a remaining expected lifespan much closer to that of the human partner, and may actually be more appealing than a younger one for that reason. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 16, 2017 17:03:36 GMT
I'm sorry, but I really don't get this. I do understand that features like gray/graying hair, wrinkles, and any other visual sign of aging is a turn-off for a lot of people. But I've yet to see an asari matriarch or adult krogan with any visible sign of aging. It seems to me like what you're saying here is that it's okay to romance, say, a 300 year-old asari or krogan, but not an 800 year-old, in spite of the fact that there is no visible difference in appearance and either one would outlive you, anyway. If it's a mental gap that is of concern, then I would suggest that Samara / Shepard have a huge one - yet you've stated the Samara is your fav. I've also seen people express their lack of interest in, for example, an asari LI due to the difference in lifespan. The individuals were bothered about the idea that their character would devote his/her entire life to the relationship, and the LI would outlive them by centuries, and probably take on (an)other mate(s) long after they're gone. An older asari or krogan could presumably offer a remaining expected lifespan much closer to that of the human partner, and may actually be more appealing than a younger one for that reason. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I think there's a big difference between asari and Krogan, tbh. The devs have had asari love interests because they're basically alien space babes, so idk why you're comparing their situations here. Krogan don't really look as human-like. You could also make the same argument for turians, sure, but they weren't originally intended as love interests either and only became such because of a singular very very popular turian. I don't remember the majority of Wrex fans consistently saying that Wrex should be a love interest, the way Garrus fans did. And this has nothing to do with me wanting or not wanting an older love interest, since as you pointed out Samara is my fave. I think it'd be great if we had older love interests. It's just, as I said, I think a very old Krogan love interest in particular is unlikely, if we're thinking from the developers' perspective. I could see them giving us an old asari love interest or an old human male love interest, but I can't see them giving us Drack.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 17:08:01 GMT
Well I'm just wondering what is the point with these ^^ Consider this scenario: Say the Kett are divided into two factions, and while crossing paths with the Archon you also run into a rebel group. You get to know their leader fairly well, through extended dialogue, and maybe s/he even tags along on a couple missions. You can eventually visit his/her base, and a romance blossoms. Might be a fun option for people wanting a Kett romance, assuming we don't get a Kett squadmate. Here's another: if you played the trilogy, you might recall a Quarian by the name of Kal'Reegar. He actually developed quite the following among the fanbase, just from his one scene during that Geth fight, and his few lines of dialogue on the Flotialla during Tali's loyalty mission. Now what if we could have gone back to the Flotialla, to trade, maybe grab a side quest where Kal works with us? And that develops into a romance where you get to go on a date, have a romantic scene, and so on. How many Kal'Reegar fangirls (and boys) would have loved that opportunity? How many people would have loved the opportunity to have a real romance with Aria, for that matter? Yeah, all of these romances would be relatively light on content compared to the squad and crew. But it would still be cool to have that option - for fans of those characters, for people not happy with the few options they get among the squad and crew, for people looking for something a little different for a romance arc, or even just people who've played the game a million times and like to romance someone different each playthrough. Personally, I'm pretty excited by the prospects this opens up. I also quite like the notion that an LI has her own life and goals while my character is out in the field, pursuing her missions / goals. It can create a much more equal / balanced partnership versus the typical squadmade dynamics where the PC is always the boss of the LI. It could also create situations where the PC gets to "rescue" an LI. They could be quest givers, other NPCs with whom you have quite a bit of interaction. Consider Bailey, for example - we interacted with him quite a bit, and a character in a role like that could make a great non-squadmate LI. You'd also have more to talk about - catching up and the like. Whether that happened in in-game conversation or headcanon/fanfic remains to be seen. Heh. I'm currently doing an ME3 run with a Traynor romance for the first time ever, and am enjoying the difference. It's true that Shepard is still the LI's boss, but otherwise the dynamics are refreshingly different. So I guess I'm looking forward to seeing what they've cooked up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 17:21:40 GMT
I'm sorry, but I really don't get this. I do understand that features like gray/graying hair, wrinkles, and any other visual sign of aging is a turn-off for a lot of people. But I've yet to see an asari matriarch or adult krogan with any visible sign of aging. It seems to me like what you're saying here is that it's okay to romance, say, a 300 year-old asari or krogan, but not an 800 year-old, in spite of the fact that there is no visible difference in appearance and either one would outlive you, anyway. If it's a mental gap that is of concern, then I would suggest that Samara / Shepard have a huge one - yet you've stated the Samara is your fav. I've also seen people express their lack of interest in, for example, an asari LI due to the difference in lifespan. The individuals were bothered about the idea that their character would devote his/her entire life to the relationship, and the LI would outlive them by centuries, and probably take on (an)other mate(s) long after they're gone. An older asari or krogan could presumably offer a remaining expected lifespan much closer to that of the human partner, and may actually be more appealing than a younger one for that reason. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I think there's a big difference between asari and Krogan, tbh. The devs have had asari love interests because they're basically alien space babes, so idk why you're comparing their situations here. Krogan don't really look as human-like. You could also make the same argument for turians, sure, but they weren't originally intended as love interests either and only became such because of a singular very very popular turian. I don't remember the majority of Wrex fans consistently saying that Wrex should be a love interest, the way Garrus fans did. And this has nothing to do with me wanting or not wanting an older love interest, since as you pointed out Samara is my fave. I think it'd be great if we had older love interests. It's just, as I said, I think a very old Krogan love interest in particular is unlikely, if we're thinking from the developers' perspective. I could see them giving us an old asari love interest or an old human male love interest, but I can't see them giving us Drack. But the topic is/was age of LI, not species. People have been saying that Drack is too old to be an LI, and I mentioned asari because they also have very long lifespans. To be clear: I don't expect Drack to be an LI, either, nor do I want him to be. I have no interest whatsoever in a krogan LI, and feel the same way wrt most alien species. I just think that "too old" doesn't fly as an excuse with species that have very long lifespans.
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Feb 16, 2017 18:29:52 GMT
Above poster has a good point. Granted, the only asari reaching close to the age we have had as a squad mate was Samara and she was a 'light' romance (though I love her and let her break my heart every play through ; , there still has been a centuries old squad mate. I personally doubt they would go the path of a Krogan LI yet, but I wouldn't mind and would just aim to remind that age probably wouldn't factor in.
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Post by PhatePhoenix on Feb 16, 2017 21:52:24 GMT
Aayyyy, if Krogan are immortal, that means they can never be too old!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 22:01:26 GMT
I think there'll be a mix of casual encounters and romance paths in the planets. The terms Mac used was 'light' romance, so I guess they'll have less content, but I don't think it'll necessarily be just sex. He also said his favourite one was on a planet, so I think there are good chances some of them go beyond casual sex. Unless Bioware has really changed their approach I don't see how majority of players would find option like that interesting though. Lot of players are against romancing crew members as well and just want squadmate LIs. It would have to be one hell of romance to rule over romances with squadmates. I'd like to point out that there are some very valid RP reasons for specifically not wanting to take an LI on missions, even when that LI is a squadmate. Some couples actually prefer not to work together, especially in situations that can be life-threatening. I can easily RP a character who would leave the LI on the ship to avoid putting them in danger. Some of them also have other roles to play - Liara had Shadow Broker work to do, and Miranda in ME2 and the VS in ME3 were XOs (the VS also being a Spectre). I can see Shepard wanting to avoid taking the XO (and/or fellow Spectre) on a mission in case things go FUBAR and Shepard doesn't make it back or needs backup. The games have typically glossed-over (or completely ignored) any issues having to do with fraternization, or possible improprieties related to the chain-of-command to allow players to romance squadmates. I admit I don't always feel comfortable flirting with subordinates - not to the point where I'd avoid a romance, but I'd still welcome the opportunity for romance with a character who is not in my PC's chain of command.
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Post by illusivecake on Feb 17, 2017 0:47:13 GMT
I've also seen people express their lack of interest in, for example, an asari LI due to the difference in lifespan. The individuals were bothered about the idea that their character would devote his/her entire life to the relationship, and the LI would outlive them by centuries, and probably take on (an)other mate(s) long after they're gone. An older asari or krogan could presumably offer a remaining expected lifespan much closer to that of the human partner, and may actually be more appealing than a younger one for that reason. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ These are my feelings on the subject ^ Additionally, with the Krogan there is also ethical concerns with regards to the Genophage (which I assume hasn't been cured in MEA) and you don't really want to tie up any potential krogan baby making with your inter-species love affair. But if your krogan LI is older, chances are good that they've already made babies or have been proven infertile and you're good to go I'm not particularly interested in a krogan LI, but if the devs write one, I'd rather it be an older krogan and not some young un' like Grunt because of the reasons listed above.
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Post by Foelhe on Feb 17, 2017 3:36:08 GMT
Above poster has a good point. Granted, the only asari reaching close to the age we have had as a squad mate was Samara and she was a 'light' romance (though I love her and let her break my heart every play through ; , there still has been a centuries old squad mate. I personally doubt they would go the path of a Krogan LI yet, but I wouldn't mind and would just aim to remind that age probably wouldn't factor in. Come to think of it, didn't the devs say something a while ago about having a krogan love interest? Someone on twitter asked about it, and it sounded like they were treating it as a serious idea. So, hey, maybe I'm wrong on this. I've got no problems with that. Kinda hope he's straight for selfish reasons, but either way I'm happy to see where BioWare's willing to go with this.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 17, 2017 4:12:54 GMT
Above poster has a good point. Granted, the only asari reaching close to the age we have had as a squad mate was Samara and she was a 'light' romance (though I love her and let her break my heart every play through ; , there still has been a centuries old squad mate. I personally doubt they would go the path of a Krogan LI yet, but I wouldn't mind and would just aim to remind that age probably wouldn't factor in. Come to think of it, didn't the devs say something a while ago about having a krogan love interest? Someone on twitter asked about it, and it sounded like they were treating it as a serious idea. So, hey, maybe I'm wrong on this. I've got no problems with that. Kinda hope he's straight for selfish reasons, but either way I'm happy to see where BioWare's willing to go with this. If we do get a Krogan love interest and it's Drack, I'll certainly be surprised. I wonder.... Do you guys think that a hypothetical romanceable Krogan would be gay/bi? I noticed that a lot of the people who asked for a male Krogan romance were men, but, hey, a lot of the people who wanted to romance Cassandra Pentaghast were women and we know how that turned out. Who knows what's going through their minds on that subject?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 7:48:49 GMT
well, I'd love a gay Krogan...but I'm sure Drack isn't romanceable. If anything he's a fling or one night stand for female characters. Bioware wouldn't make a Krogan gay.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 17, 2017 7:52:29 GMT
well, I'd love a gay Krogan...but I'm sure Drack isn't romanceable. If anything he's a fling or one night stand for female characters. Bioware wouldn't make a Krogan gay. I really wish they would. It'd be dumb if they were all "oh there's no gay people of [insert non-monogendered species here] because biology, sweetie."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 7:56:07 GMT
well, I'd love a gay Krogan...but I'm sure Drack isn't romanceable. If anything he's a fling or one night stand for female characters. Bioware wouldn't make a Krogan gay. I really wish they would. It'd be dumb if they were all "oh there's no gay people of [insert non-monogendered species here] because biology, sweetie." That would be an excuse anyway. In truth, they would not create a homosexual Krogan because they are afraid of the backlash. Many gamers see the most masculine species in them. It would be an offense if there was a homosexual krogan character, you know.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 17, 2017 8:01:20 GMT
I really wish they would. It'd be dumb if they were all "oh there's no gay people of [insert non-monogendered species here] because biology, sweetie." That would be an excuse anyway. In truth, they would not create a homosexual Krogan because they are afraid of the backlash. Many gamers see the most masculine species in them. That would be an offense if there was a homosexual krogan character, you know. Yeah, I agree. I can just see the reddit threads. -shudder- "I thought he was gonna be my bro! Then, I found out he liked men! Was he staring at my male character's ass this whole time? Bioware, how dare you betray me!" The only thing that would be even close to pissing them off that much would be if they made an asari squadmate a lesbian. Or making another human male starter squadmate bi.
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 17, 2017 8:08:40 GMT
.... I'm legitimately more offended by what you think would offend me, as a straight male, than the offense you think would offend. I understand that there might (and likely is) long running frustrations with certain groups, but hypocrisy of it all not withstanding, can we not lump any group of people together as 'the enemy' or 'the victim' or 'the reason krogan can't be gay'?
I wouldn't give half a quad if any krogan were gay. In fact, I'm of the mind that Grunt was either gay, or bi. All his talk about mating seemed more about status and biological necessity to breed than actual attraction.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 17, 2017 8:11:26 GMT
.... I'm legitimately more offended by what you think would offend me, as a straight male, than the offense you think would offend. I understand that there might (and likely is) long running frustrations with certain groups, but hypocrisy of it all not withstanding, can we not lump any group of people together as 'the enemy' or 'the victim' or 'the reason krogan can't be gay'? I wouldn't give half a quad if any krogan were gay. In fact, I'm of the mind that Grunt was either gay, or bi. All his talk about mating seemed more about status and biological necessity to breed than actual attraction. When did I ever accuse you specifically of getting offended? I'm talking about a very specific homophobic subset of the fanbase that think gay and bi men are all desperate to fuck them so they get triggered by even the idea of their fave being LGBT. EDIT: Honestly, if you're getting mad at the idea of being lumped in with homophobic straight guys, then focus on not doing what some homophobic straight guys do? Don't get mad at us for talking about really shitty behavior we see.
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