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Feb 18, 2017 19:44:11 GMT Mihura said:

I think you are not reading what people are writing, you have by default a larger pool to choose from. If you like them or not it is irrelevant, the options are still there. Now gay/lesbian players have most of the time no pool at all and if for some change of destiny that one side character that is for them, is a huge turn off. They have nothing? Do you understand that?

I don't really have a larger pool in practice, that's my entire point. Not liking someone because they are male/female is still just not picking them because you don't like them.

I want everyone to get an option they like. I want Hanako to get a romance where there is no compulsory sex scene and it can be read as a sexless romance. I want all of the people in the Vetra thread to get Vetra. I want the people who don't like Liam and hold Reyes as their last hope to get a Reyes like they imagine.

But I know that won't happen. Everybody has different preferences, and yes, I'm counting gender as nothing more than another preference in that list. They will never be able to make Li's that satisfy everyone. Yes, straight male players have a larger pool of LI's if they want to play as a man and pursue a woman, but there is also a much larger pool of straight male players playing the game, each of them with different preferences. As we saw just two pages ago- there are female players who, despite having more options than anyone in Inquisition, felt unsatisfied because none of them appealed to them.

Ultimately saying "Gay men get x", "Straight women get z" is meaningless. Everybody gets everybody, they just decide they don't want to pursue certain romances for one reason or another.

Bioware obviously have room for improvement, and I would always like to see a variety of LI's. But that means variety within the LI's of a certain gender/orientation as well as of that gender/orientation. Do gay men get "the shaft"? Some do. Again, it all comes down to what they want from the game and its romances in the first place. I hope they get the best options they can, but I don't necessarily want, or expect, the same number of m/m romances as m/f romances.

This is true. DA:I had 2 gay options. I had 0 because I truly didn't like either of them.

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Feb 18, 2017 19:44:11 GMT Mihura said:

I think you are not reading what people are writing, you have by default a larger pool to choose from. If you like them or not it is irrelevant, the options are still there. Now gay/lesbian players have most of the time no pool at all and if for some change of destiny that one side character that is for them, is a huge turn off. They have nothing? Do you understand that?

I don't really have a larger pool in practice, that's my entire point. Not liking someone because they are male/female is still just not picking them because you don't like them.

I want everyone to get an option they like. I want Hanako to get a romance where there is no compulsory sex scene and it can be read as a sexless romance. I want all of the people in the Vetra thread to get Vetra. I want the people who don't like Liam and hold Reyes as their last hope to get a Reyes like they imagine.

But I know that won't happen. Everybody has different preferences, and yes, I'm counting gender as nothing more than another preference in that list. They will never be able to make Li's that satisfy everyone. Yes, straight male players have a larger pool of LI's if they want to play as a man and pursue a woman, but there is also a much larger pool of straight male players playing the game, each of them with different preferences. As we saw just two pages ago- there are female players who, despite having more options than anyone in Inquisition, felt unsatisfied because none of them appealed to them.

Ultimately saying "Gay men get x", "Straight women get z" is meaningless. Everybody gets everybody, they just decide they don't want to pursue certain romances for one reason or another.

Bioware obviously have room for improvement, and I would always like to see a variety of LI's. But that means variety within the LI's of a certain gender/orientation as well as of that gender/orientation. Do gay men get "the shaft"? Some do. Again, it all comes down to what they want from the game and its romances in the first place. I hope they get the best options they can, but I don't necessarily want, or expect, the same number of m/m romances as m/f romances.

You still do not get it, by your logic straight male gamers have less too because they have preferences with more different tastes? So they should have even more? What?

Everyone has preferences that is not here in debate but the pool is bigger for bi and straight people, that is just a fact. Ergo the possibility to like a LI that fits, is pretty high. Come on... this is simple. What gay/lesbian and asexuals want is like the bare bones, I take anything even if the character is not perfect for a marysue, it is still something.

Feb 18, 2017 20:31:45 GMT witchcocktor said:

I don't really have a larger pool in practice, that's my entire point. Not liking someone because they are male/female is still just not picking them because you don't like them.

I want everyone to get an option they like. I want Hanako to get a romance where there is no compulsory sex scene and it can be read as a sexless romance. I want all of the people in the Vetra thread to get Vetra. I want the people who don't like Liam and hold Reyes as their last hope to get a Reyes like they imagine.

But I know that won't happen. Everybody has different preferences, and yes, I'm counting gender as nothing more than another preference in that list. They will never be able to make Li's that satisfy everyone. Yes, straight male players have a larger pool of LI's if they want to play as a man and pursue a woman, but there is also a much larger pool of straight male players playing the game, each of them with different preferences. As we saw just two pages ago- there are female players who, despite having more options than anyone in Inquisition, felt unsatisfied because none of them appealed to them.

Ultimately saying "Gay men get x", "Straight women get z" is meaningless. Everybody gets everybody, they just decide they don't want to pursue certain romances for one reason or another.

Bioware obviously have room for improvement, and I would always like to see a variety of LI's. But that means variety within the LI's of a certain gender/orientation as well as of that gender/orientation. Do gay men get "the shaft"? Some do. Again, it all comes down to what they want from the game and its romances in the first place. I hope they get the best options they can, but I don't necessarily want, or expect, the same number of m/m romances as m/f romances.

This is true. DA:I had 2 gay options. I had 0 because I truly didn't like either of them.

Is this sarcasm? because by that logic the only romance I really liked was Isabela. So I had one in all bioware games? oh come on people, we can do better than this empty arguments.

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Feb 18, 2017 20:23:37 GMT Mihura said:

Feb 18, 2017 20:13:47 GMT smilesja said:

I agree with the above as LI's Steve and Samantha were pretty shallow to me and just served to be romances for LGBT Shepards.

I agree for different reasons. They were not demands but a call for fair treatment and yes all the romances should be relevant and insert into the story. That is the whole point of wanting the same care they put on straight characters.

I care about quality and I'll be just as critical if they were straight romances as well.

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Feb 18, 2017 20:20:33 GMT Petroshenko said:

Feb 18, 2017 20:08:52 GMT Panda said:

It's way simpler than that. There is potentially 0 f/m romances in ME3 depending on previous games.

By the player's own choice. Liara making it into ME3 with plot armor intact is nothing but a coincidence passed over from ME1. Bioware still gives straight FemShep a chance to get a romance last moment with Kaidan in ME3. He's the default Virmir Survivor for new ME3-created FemSheps, he can be saved in ME1, he can be saved with Genesis 2 comic etc. This is NOT the case of Bioware addiding new-ME3-romance for Liara without doing the same for FemShep with Kaidan, it's there and got developed. If some FemSheps work overtime to kill that option, it's really their fault.

Possibly, might have been just bad luck as well. Not everyone goes to games with tons of knowledge on what is going to happen and so on. No matter what Liara is always there, Kaidan might not be. Besides Kaidan is comparable to Ashley not Liara.

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Feb 18, 2017 19:49:28 GMT Petroshenko said:

Feb 18, 2017 19:30:47 GMT Ianamus said:

I have plenty of deal breakers, turn offs, things I find uncomfortable... maybe, and probably, more than most people. But because gender isn't one of them it's just "preferences" that aren't important. obviously they can't be as important as gender, because gender is always the most important isn't it? It's in a category all it's own. How on earth could somebody like me be fussy about the "small" things like personality, interests, appearance, chemistry when I don't care about something as HUGE, vital and all-encompassing as gender? That thing that all sexuality in the world must revolve around and that I'm some manner of abhorrent freak for not acknowledging as something that matters?

What does it ultimately matter if gender isn't one of my limiting factors or deal breakers when it comes to attraction and romantic interest? Do I actually end up interested and attracted to more people I meet than other people I know? No. Do I end up being invested in and attracted to more Bioware romance options than most people? No.

But I should just keep my mouth shut and be happy with my endless harem, obviously.

Just one question. Where the hell do you get this idea that exclusively-straight or exclusively-gay people don't care or care less than you/other bi folks about aspects such as personality, interests, appearance, chemisty etc? No seriously. You just went in with an entire tirade how unbelievably selective, refined & special your taste and deal-breakers are despite being in-general bisexual. What exactly makes you think straight folks or gay folks ain't like this?

You're not discovering America by pointing that being compatible with sexual orientation is not the only requirement to liking someone. Everyone knows and thinks this way, no one is automatically into everyone whos orientation they're compatible with. But if you're sexually compatible with both male and female LIs, then YES. You DO have the highest chance of stumbling upon that one character who fits you the best personality/morals/appearance/interests-wise. You have a greater pool of characters with different personalities to pick from. Do. You. Understand. It. ?

Yes, not caring about gender increases your chances. As does not caring about personality, species, eye shape, nose shape, age and literally everything else. But I only see one of those things brought up and criticized to this extent.

I have seen countless comments along the lines of "straight men have so many options, they are so lucky" both here and on the old board, and as I stated in my initial post earlier: ehhh. Yes, they do have a larger pool, but they are also by far the largest pool of players. So if you wanted to create romance options that would cater to as many of your players as possible, you'd need more female romance options for men since you have a wider audience in that demographic to satisfy.

Which is my main point. They can't please everyone- and when you account for more than just LI gender approaches like DA2's aren't really that equal at all. If I walk into a room of ten people with two different flavors of ice cream, chances are there will only be a few people who don't have one they like. If I do the same with a room of 10'000, there will be thousands who don't have a flavour they like. So when going into the room with more people, you need to bring more flavors of ice cream.

That's why it isn't as simple as "gay men get the shaft". How likely somebody is to get options they like is entirely down to them as an individual, and whether they are gay/straight/bi is a much smaller part of that than people seem to make out.

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Feb 18, 2017 20:32:22 GMT Mihura said:

I don't really have a larger pool in practice, that's my entire point. Not liking someone because they are male/female is still just not picking them because you don't like them.

I want everyone to get an option they like. I want Hanako to get a romance where there is no compulsory sex scene and it can be read as a sexless romance. I want all of the people in the Vetra thread to get Vetra. I want the people who don't like Liam and hold Reyes as their last hope to get a Reyes like they imagine.

But I know that won't happen. Everybody has different preferences, and yes, I'm counting gender as nothing more than another preference in that list. They will never be able to make Li's that satisfy everyone. Yes, straight male players have a larger pool of LI's if they want to play as a man and pursue a woman, but there is also a much larger pool of straight male players playing the game, each of them with different preferences. As we saw just two pages ago- there are female players who, despite having more options than anyone in Inquisition, felt unsatisfied because none of them appealed to them.

Ultimately saying "Gay men get x", "Straight women get z" is meaningless. Everybody gets everybody, they just decide they don't want to pursue certain romances for one reason or another.

Bioware obviously have room for improvement, and I would always like to see a variety of LI's. But that means variety within the LI's of a certain gender/orientation as well as of that gender/orientation. Do gay men get "the shaft"? Some do. Again, it all comes down to what they want from the game and its romances in the first place. I hope they get the best options they can, but I don't necessarily want, or expect, the same number of m/m romances as m/f romances.

You still do not get it, by your logic straight male gamers have less too because they have preferences with more different tastes? So they should have even more? What?

Everyone has preferences that is not here in debate but the pool is bigger for bi and straight people, that is just a fact. Ergo the possibility to like a LI that fits, is pretty high. Come on... this is simple. What gay/lesbian and asexuals want is like the bare bones, I take anything even if the character is not perfect for a marysue, it is still something.

Feb 18, 2017 20:31:45 GMT witchcocktor said:

This is true. DA:I had 2 gay options. I had 0 because I truly didn't like either of them.

Is this sarcasm? because by that logic the only romance I really liked was Isabela. So I had one in all bioware games? oh come on people, we can do better than this empty arguments.

Oh, okay then, I got two romances I didn't like. Yay.

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Feb 18, 2017 20:31:45 GMT witchcocktor said:

I don't really have a larger pool in practice, that's my entire point. Not liking someone because they are male/female is still just not picking them because you don't like them.

I want everyone to get an option they like. I want Hanako to get a romance where there is no compulsory sex scene and it can be read as a sexless romance. I want all of the people in the Vetra thread to get Vetra. I want the people who don't like Liam and hold Reyes as their last hope to get a Reyes like they imagine.

But I know that won't happen. Everybody has different preferences, and yes, I'm counting gender as nothing more than another preference in that list. They will never be able to make Li's that satisfy everyone. Yes, straight male players have a larger pool of LI's if they want to play as a man and pursue a woman, but there is also a much larger pool of straight male players playing the game, each of them with different preferences. As we saw just two pages ago- there are female players who, despite having more options than anyone in Inquisition, felt unsatisfied because none of them appealed to them.

Ultimately saying "Gay men get x", "Straight women get z" is meaningless. Everybody gets everybody, they just decide they don't want to pursue certain romances for one reason or another.

Bioware obviously have room for improvement, and I would always like to see a variety of LI's. But that means variety within the LI's of a certain gender/orientation as well as of that gender/orientation. Do gay men get "the shaft"? Some do. Again, it all comes down to what they want from the game and its romances in the first place. I hope they get the best options they can, but I don't necessarily want, or expect, the same number of m/m romances as m/f romances.

This is true. DA:I had 2 gay options. I had 0 because I truly didn't like either of them.

I didn't like either of DAI's gay options. Actually I can trump everyone here, because the M/M options are the only reason I play Dragon Age at all, and yet I've had zero queer dudes throughout the entire series I've actually wanted to romance. But it's ridiculous to say I didn't have options. I did have options, they just didn't work for me.

If we're gonna treat sexuality as just another preference, then I'm gonna point out the obvious. One, it's treated by BioWare as the most important preference, since they always make a big deal out of having a diverse set of sexualities. Two, when BioWare deal with that preference, men-who-prefer-women almost always get the lionshare of options to start with, whereas men-who-prefer-men get cut down to two options, if that. Are there other preferences after that one that can cut down the men-who-prefer-women side of the table for some people? Of course. But it's goddamn stupid to pretend that straight dudes' originally huge list of options doesn't put them in a much better position to have someone left over when they start bringing out other preferences.

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Feb 18, 2017 17:31:30 GMT xilizhra said:

Feb 18, 2017 14:59:20 GMT @princeenigmatic said:

Ok, so unless they confirm some more male LIs soon, it remains that the straight male and lesbian players are once again getting the most/and or better options of LIs, with straight women and gay men getting shafted again.

And given the leaks about the sex scenes, it would appear even with the potential options for lesbians, its still the straight male gaze that is getting the most out of the romances <_<

You thought that lesbians were better off than straight women? In what universe?

If you read my entire post you'd see that I said I don't think because lesbians got more romance options they were necessarily better off, as a lot of that content was still for the straight male gaze.

I don't want to go into a whole big retrospective thing, since I know plenty of lesbian women who didn't like the options they had, since you didn't have a female human squadmate as a LI, and it sadly doesn't look like it with Andromeda either as Cora is likely straight.

Right now I think Peebee and Vetra will be options for lesbian women in the squad, which is more than straight women have to go on at the moment, since we still don't know about Jaal or Liam's status.

I don't really know about Dragon Age, though I know some who have argued straight women in that case had the most options.

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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 18, 2017 21:00:00 GMT

Yes, not caring about gender increases your chances.

ANd that was my point, finally.

If I do the same with a room of 10'000, there will be thousands who don't have a flavour they like. So when going into the room with more people, you need to bring more flavors of ice cream.

Well they don't exactly got time and resources to make say, 20 romanceable girls just to cover for increased number of men playing, so in the end it will always be a discussion about singular numbers of Love Interests.

That's why it isn't as simple as "gay men get the shaft".

Ahh but they do, particularly if we talk the audience numbers you brought up. In a heavily male-skewing audience the number of gay/bi men will also be statistically higher. Wouldn't that mean they should be thinking about gay options more than for example none-at-all as in case of ME1? Numbers discussion can be very interesting depending how you look at it

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Feb 18, 2017 19:49:28 GMT Petroshenko said:

Just one question. Where the hell do you get this idea that exclusively-straight or exclusively-gay people don't care or care less than you/other bi folks about aspects such as personality, interests, appearance, chemisty etc? No seriously. You just went in with an entire tirade how unbelievably selective, refined & special your taste and deal-breakers are despite being in-general bisexual. What exactly makes you think straight folks or gay folks ain't like this?

You're not discovering America by pointing that being compatible with sexual orientation is not the only requirement to liking someone. Everyone knows and thinks this way, no one is automatically into everyone whos orientation they're compatible with. But if you're sexually compatible with both male and female LIs, then YES. You DO have the highest chance of stumbling upon that one character who fits you the best personality/morals/appearance/interests-wise. You have a greater pool of characters with different personalities to pick from. Do. You. Understand. It. ?

Yes, not caring about gender increases your chances. As does not caring about personality, species, eye shape, nose shape, age and literally everything else. But I only see one of those things brought up and criticized to this extent.

I have seen countless comments along the lines of "straight men have so many options, they are so lucky" both here and on the old board, and as I stated in my initial post earlier: ehhh. Yes, they do have a larger pool when taking only the romance options gender/orientation into consideration, as do I, but they are also by far the largest pool of players. So if you wanted to create romance options that would cater to as many of your players as possible, you'd need more female romance options for men since you have a wider audience in that demographic to satisfy.

Which is my main point. They can't please everyone- and when you account for more than just LI gender approaches like DA2's aren't really that equal at all. If I walk into a room of ten people with two different flavors of ice cream, chances are there will only be a few people who don't have one they like. If I do the same with a room of 10'000, there will be thousands who don't have a flavour they like. So when going into the room with more people, you need to bring more flavors of ice cream.

That's why it isn't as simple as "gay men get the shaft". How likely somebody is to get options they like is entirely down to them as an individual, and whether they are gay/straight/bi is a much smaller part of that than people seem to make out.

But gay men have nothing in the whole two ME games, how is that not getting the shaft????????????????? Idk at this point, I give up.

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That's why it isn't as simple as "gay men get the shaft". How likely somebody is to get options they like is entirely down to them as an individual, and whether they are gay/straight/bi is a much smaller part of that than people seem to make out.

Ok, if the only gay options gay players have are NPCs, crewmembers, or "wild" Andromedans, then that is gay men getting the shaft.

I personally don't mind if there are no gay squadmates, since I consider it highly unlikely BioWare would do that, so I am fine and resigned to the hope there is at least a bi squadmate I can romance.

But in comparison to everyone else, gay men have consistently, and will likely continue to get the shaft in regards to representation and romances. Personal preference on the romance be damned, everyone else has had squadmates to romance from the beginning, and had more options.

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Post by Dirk on Feb 18, 2017 21:11:53 GMT

I couldn't understand the argument that gay Shepard didn't get shafted in terms of romance in ME series, considering that the number of available LIs in ME1 and ME2 is exactly zero. I didn't get to choose if LI for my gay Shep has personality that I liked.

Anyways, since Bioware said that there will be more romance options in MEA than any ME games and since there are two LIs for gay Shep in ME3, am I too optimistic to expect 3 (or more!) LIs for gay Scott? I really hope for a sqaud mate LI too.

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Feb 18, 2017 19:49:28 GMT Petroshenko said:

Just one question. Where the hell do you get this idea that exclusively-straight or exclusively-gay people don't care or care less than you/other bi folks about aspects such as personality, interests, appearance, chemisty etc? No seriously. You just went in with an entire tirade how unbelievably selective, refined & special your taste and deal-breakers are despite being in-general bisexual. What exactly makes you think straight folks or gay folks ain't like this?

You're not discovering America by pointing that being compatible with sexual orientation is not the only requirement to liking someone. Everyone knows and thinks this way, no one is automatically into everyone whos orientation they're compatible with. But if you're sexually compatible with both male and female LIs, then YES. You DO have the highest chance of stumbling upon that one character who fits you the best personality/morals/appearance/interests-wise. You have a greater pool of characters with different personalities to pick from. Do. You. Understand. It. ?

Yes, not caring about gender increases your chances. As does not caring about personality, species, eye shape, nose shape, age and literally everything else. But I only see one of those things brought up and criticized to this extent.

I have seen countless comments along the lines of "straight men have so many options, they are so lucky" both here and on the old board, and as I stated in my initial post earlier: ehhh. Yes, they do have a larger pool, but they are also by far the largest pool of players. So if you wanted to create romance options that would cater to as many of your players as possible, you'd need more female romance options for men since you have a wider audience in that demographic to satisfy.

Which is my main point. They can't please everyone- and when you account for more than just LI gender approaches like DA2's aren't really that equal at all. If I walk into a room of ten people with two different flavors of ice cream, chances are there will only be a few people who don't have one they like. If I do the same with a room of 10'000, there will be thousands who don't have a flavour they like. So when going into the room with more people, you need to bring more flavors of ice cream.

That's why it isn't as simple as "gay men get the shaft". How likely somebody is to get options they like is entirely down to them as an individual, and whether they are gay/straight/bi is a much smaller part of that than people seem to make out.

Sexuality isn't the same kind of preference that, say, preferring red hair over other colors is. People can generally develop an attraction to someone who doesn't have their preferred hair color. People generally can't develop an attraction to someone whose gender is incompatible with their sexuality.

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Ok, you know what I would absolutely love?

If all the romanceable squadmates were bi.

Liam, Cora, Peebee, Vetra and Jaal.

That way, EVERYONE, would get the following:

A romanceable squadmate (obviously)

A romanceable human starting squadmate (Liam and Cora)

A romanceable alien

As for the crew, and "wild" Andromedans, they can be the straight, or gay and lesbian romances, since there could be loads of them, and thus everyone would get at least one "exclusive" non-squad romance.

I personally don't think the squadmates should be exclusive, but thats just me.

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The Character Romance thread (Official) Feb 18, 2017 21:16:01 GMT glitch89 likes this

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Post by PhatePhoenix on Feb 18, 2017 21:16:01 GMT

[CHUCKLES] Just like old times.

So, are we definitely-for-sure-really taking those tweets about Vetra as confirmation? No one's come along and said that they haven't actually said so, one way or another?

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The Character Romance thread (Official) Feb 18, 2017 21:16:04 GMT smilesja, Davrin's boobs, and 5 more like this

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Post by lightdrago3 on Feb 18, 2017 21:16:04 GMT

Feb 18, 2017 21:13:37 GMT @princeenigmatic said:

Ok, you know what I would absolutely love?

If all the romanceable squadmates were bi.

Liam, Cora, Peebee, Vetra and Jaal.

That way, EVERYONE, would get the following:

A romanceable squadmate (obviously)

A romanceable human starting squadmate (Liam and Cora)

A romanceable alien

As for the crew, and "wild" Andromedans, they can be the straight, or gay and lesbian romances, since there could be loads of them, and thus everyone would get at least one "exclusive" non-squad romance.

I personally don't think the squadmates should be exclusive, but thats just me.

My god yes. I agree so much with this. Every squadmate being available to both Ryders would stop any concern or debate over any of this stuff. Such a shame that they won't return to this method of romance, despite it being the best, in my opinion anyway.

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The Character Romance thread (Official) Feb 18, 2017 21:25:14 GMT

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Post by Ianamus on Feb 18, 2017 21:25:14 GMT

Feb 18, 2017 21:00:00 GMT Petroshenko said:

Yes, not caring about gender increases your chances.

ANd that was my point, finally.

If I do the same with a room of 10'000, there will be thousands who don't have a flavour they like. So when going into the room with more people, you need to bring more flavors of ice cream.

Well they don't exactly got time and resources to make say, 20 romanceable girls just to cover for increased number of men playing, so in the end it will always be a discussion about singular numbers of Love Interests.

That's why it isn't as simple as "gay men get the shaft".

Ahh but they do, particularly if we talk the audience numbers you brought up. In a heavily male-skewing audience the number of gay/bi men will also be statistically higher. Wouldn't that mean they should be thinking about gay options more than for example none-at-all as in case of ME1? Numbers discussion can be very interesting depending how you look at it

I still haven't mastered multi-quoting, so I'll respond all in one bunch for now.

1. I sort of get your point more. It's difficult because while it does increase my odds of having an LI I like there are also a lot of things that lower them as well. I certain don't feel like the number of LI's I really like is particularly high compared to most people. It's about the same, really, so I don't feel like I actually have any overall advantage at all.

2. Obviously there's a limit to what they can do, and there are a lot of factors more important to them than making as many people happy as possible with LI's. But I think it's a decent enough argument for there being more Li's of certain genders/orientations.

3. I suppose that's true. Going back to the ice cream example, the people in the room with 10'000 people would be more likely to have a flavor they liked. I suppose it begs the question of what is more important: giving everyone an equal chance of being happy or making as many people as happy as possible.

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The Character Romance thread (Official) Feb 18, 2017 21:40:16 GMT Falon'Din, vertigomez, and 4 more like this

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Post by Foelhe on Feb 18, 2017 21:40:16 GMT

Feb 18, 2017 21:25:14 GMT Ianamus said:

3. I suppose that's true. Going back to the ice cream example, the people in the room with 10'000 people would be more likely to have a flavor they liked. I suppose it begs the question of what is more important: giving everyone an equal chance of being happy or making as many people as happy as possible.

If you're gonna turn this into a needs-of-the-many argument, I'd at least appreciate it if you'd admit that the minority is getting less. This whole argument kicked off because of straight/bi folks trying to argue that they didn't really have an advantage, actually. If you're gonna argue that straight folks should get more options because there's more of 'em, at least be honest about it. And it'd be nice if you guys would appreciate how good you have it, instead of having multi-page thread arguments because you don't like an LI's haircut.

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The Character Romance thread (Official) Feb 18, 2017 21:40:52 GMT PhatePhoenix likes this

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Post by Mihura on Feb 18, 2017 21:40:52 GMT

Feb 18, 2017 21:13:37 GMT @princeenigmatic said:

Ok, you know what I would absolutely love?

If all the romanceable squadmates were bi.

Liam, Cora, Peebee, Vetra and Jaal.

That way, EVERYONE, would get the following:

A romanceable squadmate (obviously)

A romanceable human starting squadmate (Liam and Cora)

A romanceable alien

As for the crew, and "wild" Andromedans, they can be the straight, or gay and lesbian romances, since there could be loads of them, and thus everyone would get at least one "exclusive" non-squad romance.

I personally don't think the squadmates should be exclusive, but thats just me.

Yes, I would like this too. Everyone gets the same amount of relevant content that way.

Feb 18, 2017 21:16:01 GMT PhatePhoenix said:

[CHUCKLES] Just like old times.

So, are we definitely-for-sure-really taking those tweets about Vetra as confirmation? No one's come along and said that they haven't actually said so, one way or another?

The one confirming Vetra as romance? yes that seem legit, not sure with whom.

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The Character Romance thread (Official) Feb 18, 2017 21:44:38 GMT

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Feb 18, 2017 21:13:25 GMT theratpack55 said: