Why the ending did not work (repost)

'Here is the thing though the galaxy was already heading down the path to destruction before Shepard was even a factor in the grand scheme of the galaxy.' Yes, and that's where Shepard came in, and mostly fixed it.

'No the fight is for survival because the Reapers are rounding up and killing everyone. ' That's true, but controlling other beings, be it organics or synthetics, that was never something Shepard would agree with. So Control makes no sense.

'Which source would you like access to?' Your claim that the Reapers helped solve the Quarian/Geth conflict. As you stated that the Reapers weakened the Geth. I couldn't find that anywhere.

The Geth slaughtered the Quarians to near extinction afaik.

I don't see a problem with TIM controlling the reapers to advance humanity. I see that as a good thing. If my Shepard were to choose control, never, I would use them to help rebuild Earth. Help humanity  advance as much as possible. I want humanity to be the leaders of the galaxy. humanity #1

That sounds like a (frankly) stupid and very roundabout way to destroy the Reapers..


When you already have a device that's been "hacked" and gained access to. The Crucible.

Someone who already thinks that wouldn't choose Control in the first place. Not when there's a Destroy button right there in front of you too.

I'd understand if the only options were Synthesis or Control, but fortunately, there's more.

Nope. Though it did cross my mind. The number one thing that prevents me from choosing the blue is because the reapers are still around. People will wake up each morning looking over their shoulder wondering when the giant looking robots will fire their beam of doom. It may never happen, but they don't know that

Why would they fire the beams of doom at the Reapers? Particularly when the Reapers under Shepard's guidance helped rebuild galactic society. Why wouldn't the Reapers act in self defense disabling or destroying a few ships till the rest fled? Why would any race's government allow a splinter group to attack and thus attempt to start another war with the Reapers when the last one had the entire galaxy at their mercy?

But you seem to be ignoring a lot of stuff to come to the conclusion.

As soon as the control wave hits all Reapers and their troops break off attacks and fly off into space. The bulk of the Fleets of the galaxy were at Earth. Which at that point had bulled back to their fall back position for when the Crucible fired just in case something goes wrong.  The rest of the galaxy was having the Reapers shit stomping the hell out of them anyways. And the Reapers suddenly deciding to pull back would not be followed by any fleets. Because that would be suicide because conventional warfare always ends on the Reaper's side winning.

If Reapers can master the creation of near indestructible creations that are capable of moving objects across thousands of light years in seconds. I think they can master the basis of text or audio messages. And the leaders of all the races know about the Crucible though they don't know what it does. The effect of Shepard gaining control of them while it would certainly be met with suspicion wouldn't be some big surprise out of left field.  As well with the Relays no longer working each group is isolated in their area thanks to that. Which gives AIShep the chance to negotiate a cease fire with everyone.  Once that it done or while it is happening the Reapers are spreading out and repairing the Relays allowing everyone to reconnect.

The galaxy just got it's collective ass handed to it on a silver platter. They would not be so quick to start another conflict. Not for a long time anyways. Rebuilding their entire society from the rubble of the previous one isn't exactly something done in a year or even 2. They are looking at decades at least to rebuild to their old strength and glory. During which the Reapers are shown in the end credit directly helping the races rebuild. And offer no aggression.

And this is equally ignoring Shepard stating that it now views it self as the protector and defender of the galaxy. Which means it will not simply stand there and let them destroy the Reapers. Any attack fired at the Reapers will be met with self defense retaliation strikes designed to disable or destroy as needed.

Now I do agree like any ending it doesn't mean everything will now be sun shine and butterflies. But the scenario you have set up ignores so much of the game it isn't possible to happen. It will be centuries before the galaxy stops fearing the new Reapers. And no doubt there will be groups that attempt to enact revenge against them.  But to even attempt to postulate that Shepard would just stand back and let them wipe out the Reapers goes directly against the ending speech about how he will now use the Reapers to protect everyone.  Letting them all be destroyed goes against the very idea of using them to protect everyone.

The game is designed so that players can "ignore" certain details and "believe" certain other details to "mould" different interpretations out of the events and the endings.  People more frequently CHOOSE to ignore the detail that the Catalyst is the "boss" that you fight all game long to get a parlay with and when that boss say here - you now take the wheel and steer my empire "as you see fit" that means that Shepard then can do what Shepard wants with the assets of that empire.  Shepard can order them to just stop firing or he/she can order them to tell the organics he/she is now in charge and not to worry or any host of other this he/she might see fit to do.  I am in no way iimplying that the Reapers would be incapable of communicating.  I'm saying the the side of the equation that Shepard controls is the Reapers (not organics).  So, unless he/she orders the Reapers to indoctrinate every organic in the galaxy, all he/she can do is "anticipate" how organics would respond to what the Reapers do.  Someone argued that Shepard can't speculate... I'm saying yes, he/she can because he/she can fall back on other "hacking" experiences buildt into the game... e.g. when Gerrel continued to attack a defenseles geth dreadnought.  Which "details" the player draws on to formulate what their Shepard might speculate is up to that individual player.

Shepard could also order the Reapers to just return to dark space and never return (stay out of the way)... whatever Shepard wants to do after he/she assumes control... the Catalyst put no restrictions on Shepard.  If you don't believe that Shepard can control the Reapers however he/she wants, then you probably can't believe that the Catalyst has absolute control over the Reapers now... and that's the rub with dictatorships.

I know you favor destroy... and that's OK.  The "price" of destroy are geth and EDI... a player who want to "save" them finds destroy not as palatable can get to the same point of destroying them without losing the geth and EDI.  That's all I'm saying... it's an option for some.

I saw no price when choosing destroy. I had no feelings for the geth or the edibot.  For them to be destroyed, if destroy is chosen, the geth have to upload the reaper code. Why? What guarantee do I have that they won't shoot at me like they did when getting Koris or on the dreadnought? How do I know the reapers won't control them with that reaper code? They haven't given me any reason to let them have that code.  So no on the code thing. The quarians can destroy them.

With the edi thing. I don't care about it. Its a hologram turned platform. Had Shepard been given the option to throw the thing out the airlock, I would do it. Its trying to be something that it never will be. There was no reason for it to be a platform.

So when I shoot the tube, I don't give those things a second thought.

Folks can choose the blue or green to keep the edi and geth around if they want. I don't.

Maybe it's not your intention, but it sounds like you believe that caring about EDI and the geth means you'll inevitably choose Control or Synthesis.  Thing is, I care about them and still choose destroy.  It's a somewhat regrettable but necessary decision.  I've taught EDI to care about others (Joker) to the point that she's willing to "risk non-functionality" to protect him.  Hence, her death with ultimately protect him.  As for the geth, while I may believe they're an example of life based on how their minds look with Reaper code installed, they haven't proven themselves to be trustworthy at any point along the way.  The most trustworthy was Legion but even he was willing to kill off the quarians.  His upload could have waited.  We know the geth can transfer to other servers, so "body death" from the quarians doesn't mean much.  Maybe that could have changed over time but the evidence wasn't there.  Anyway, they're the sacrifice for peace, a sacrifice Shepard is also willing to personally make - so it's not like s/he is asking more of anyone else (even if breath scene happens, Shepard has to reason to believe it will).  So, yeah, a generally pro-EDI, pro-geth Shepard can still draw the conclusion that the galaxy is far better with no Reapers in it.