Question that nobody has a great answer for: Presence of the Krogan in Andromeda

No, I mean a species, renowned for their bloodthirsty nature and violent tendencies being offered a seat on the Initiative ahead of other, more cooperative races like the Quarians, and Drell. Heck, even the Vorcha and Batarians are less straight up homicidal when it comes to settling disputes.

There is a conversation from EDI in ME 3 that mentions how even transporting the Krogan from Tuchunka to Palaven via transport ships was an issue due to their aggressive nature to the point that it is actually suggested that the troops be anesthetized in order to avoid damaging the craft, and yet the Andromeda Initiative is expecting the process of colonizing a new galaxy, with no outside help, is going to be easier with a veritable army of Krogan milling about their population.

If nobody thinks curing it is a realistic possibility, I don't see why it would be brought up much. It's not like anyone on the initiative could be expected to have the kind of expertise on the subject as Mordin or Maelan.

They're dying off in the Milky Way because they're killing each other or abandoning the homeworld and breeding entirely. With a mostly peaceful populace (I imagine this group is composed mostly of Krogan that actually want to build a new life instead of fight over it), I imagine their chances for stable population growth is much higher. Which I would guess was the thinking behind seeking a new settlement away from Tuchanka in the first place.

Self selection, I think the Krogan who chose to seek a new colony were (mostly) ones who wanted a peaceful new beginning, same with the human colonists. Of course, once they arrived I imagine some might have gone with Sloan for the same reasons Sloane herself left, they disagreed with how things were being run.

And that seems to me strikingly similar as to how krogan left their homeworld to pursue their own goals and become mercenaries.

In the end, they'll invariably become extinct in Andromeda. Unless, of course, someone comes up with a miraculous solution. Which I don't doubt, at this point.

And how do you think they start? That everyone rebels at the same time? We're talking about thousands of years. If the Ai loses one of its key people in the first few months since they arrive and a bunch of krogan, imagine how will that look in a few centuries. 

But maybe all the other krogan will live peacefully in a new planet, as you say, because that's the most reasonable thing to happen, as history tell us.


Now, a bit off-topic:
When Krogan had a extremely heavy population, they fought with each other, as Bakara herself stated ("technology changed us, it made life too easy, so we looked for new challenges and found them in each other, nuclear war was inevitable"). Then, you have krogans with the genophage because they decided to attack council worlds, and they start dying again because they take jobs as mercenaries or find fights throughout the galaxy. That's a pretty doomed species in my view. Sabotaging the genophage is the only viable solution long term (or not destroying the reapers). I get it that people love Wrex, but curing his people just to see him happy with Eve and Grunt in a few years does not save the galaxy when their population reaches trillions and no one has the power to go against their interests.

1 billion females in Tuchanka - 1% fully fertile - 10 billion infants in only a year. Do the math.
Krogan are a naturally violent species and even if you have a exceptions (as every species have), you cannot handpick 10.000, 20.000 krogan expecting them to be all sunshine and rainbows.

Same thing with the yahg, who functions as pack members with a chosen leader.  It just doesn't work like us. Legion itself stated "No two species are identical. Each must be judged on their own merits. Treating every species as one's own is racist, even benign anthropomorphism."

You are doing precisely what I'm pointing out against: comparing krogan with humans. And yes, it makes more sense to see this as immense likelihood (not proof, we can't prove anything) that they will seek fighting, unless put on a leash, if they have significant numbers. They might not even have 10.000, not even 5.000, we just don't know yet. Krogan are naturally violent, your "mavericks" are the ones that do not fall in this category. Krogan are not pacifists, look at Tuchanka.


Now, a bit off-topic:
Even us, to a lesser extent, are not pacifists by nature. Look at our culture, our history, how many wars did we have throughout history, in real life?!
Even you and I, here, arguing over this topic. We are just a lot less inclined to physical aggression, Krogan on the contrary, resolve their issues by breaking bones.
But that's just to show you my point of what would happen with a long period of time - Imagine the Krogan, then.



As I said before, they are naturally violent, and as a species, belive that only by destroying themselves over and over they will grow stronger.



And no, you are now considering statistics with the genophage cured, and they are not cured in Andromeda. That's why I'm arguing that they will inevitably go extinct in Andromeda.

Man, seriously, look at Tuchanka, the planet has 2.1 billion Krogan and Wrex himself stated that the genophage was the only way his people would have a chance. He mentions it a lot on the trilogy:
"My people are dying, this cure can save them" - Of Saren's cure in Virmire.
"So your people were infected with a genetic mutation, and I supposed it's destroying your entire species?" - First Conversation on the Normandy, about Shepard's ignorance about the genophage.
"I got Reapers on my planet, a bomb on my planet, and if that doesn't kill us off, the genophage will make sure we'll go extinct anyway. I don't want to hear who's had it rough!" - In ME3 after Primarch and Wrex confrontation.

Even with all the reform he was doing among the clans (and that is because he was an anomaly among them), they were slowing dying because of warfare and mercenary work.
In Andromeda there's no reason to believe it will be different. C'mon, that's just common sense. If you can't see that, it's extremely naive.

In Andromeda, if they go as security, it's even worse because they will also lose a lot of people to injury. They will go extinct there, unless, as I've stated, someone comes up with a miraculous solution to increase their population to acceptable levels and control. You will not teach them to love, I'm sorry.

Now, this is getting tiring. I'm not going to keep this discussion with you. I've made my point.

 
How in the hell you argument of "they chose this expedition because they would be looking for a change, a cultural shift" is not your own opinion? Where is your evidence? Please just don't tell me "because that's why people joined".
"Wrex understood this!" Now you you know what Wrex thinks, and this is not one percent your perspective of him. And then, after saying that he understood, you dismiss what he says in ME3 because is stupid? First you say he's correct, and then, he's not anymore? If the games facts are not even reliable, coming from the characters themselves (the leader of the Krogan!) how is this a fair discussion?
They failed to adapt to new circumstance because they are naturally violent. Because long before the salarians found them, they were destroying their own planet.
The dalatrass said this herself: "We uplifted them specifically for their violent nature, not their diplomatic skills."

The 1% is not fertility rate. The 1% is the number of the female population EDI uses in her analysis, considering what would happen if this percentage becomes fully fertile (aka, cured from the genophage). The 1% of the 1.05 billion females (10.500.000 females) fully fertile would breed 10.000.000.000 infants within a year. 
But I guess this also is not important to your point, so let's scrap it.

Then again, "those that wanted something different came to Andromeda - they did so because they DON't want that violent existence". - Presumption, anyone?


I'm just so done with this discussion. Moving to other threads...

They can have one child per year and live for a thousand of years. Come on.

The quote 'I don't need an army, I have a Krogan' answers that question right?
I think many Krogan (especially the younger ones) would jump at the chance to get away and have an adventure, break free from their clans and find a new life. Genophage or no genophage.