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Post by Verfallen on Jan 31, 2017 6:23:41 GMT
My canon Inquisitor (Trevelyan mage) drank for a few reasons: A vague sense of responsibility that if anyone was going to do it, it should be him, coupled with being thoroughly annoyed with Morrigan for her obvious personal agenda and overt eagerness to drink it.
Dorian nearly made him change his mind, but in the end the previously-mentioned reasons plus a bit of stubborn self-confidence that he could handle whatever the consequences were led him to go ahead.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jan 31, 2017 6:47:31 GMT
The first time I thought it would make me a god. Imagine my face when I saw Flemeth. The way the concept of "God" was explained to me in Theology in high school was that His free will is at least as important a defining feature as His power, and that when the Bible says we're made in His image and likeness, it's speaking more about our ability to decide whether or not to obey God than it is about our power to build skyscrapers or program computers or train animals. So by that metric a PC who drinks from the Well is more of a god when they walk in than they are when they leave, and would be even if the power it granted was more than a bit of extra knowledge and a dragon. Anyway, back on topic: I've gotten three Inquisitors to that point. I think all three had Arcane Knowledge and thus guessed at the price (as if Abelas wasn't clear enough on it anyway.) The first decided that he can't risk giving up his free will to a being whose intentions he didn't know, and that if it had to be either him or Morrigan who loses their free will it's less risky for it to be Morrigan; she's dangerous, but at least she doesn't have control of a military cult that Varric jokes can conquer Ferelden by looking east. (And its not like that cult didn't have a bunch of mage members, since that was a Conscript Mages run.) The second decided, selflessly, to pay that price rather than let another take it on. The third... was a clan First.
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Post by lynroy on Jan 31, 2017 17:37:06 GMT
My canon noped right out and let Morrigan take it without a second thought. I actually have a hard time choosing to drink from the Well because I hate the idea of giving up your willpower and being bound to someone. No thanks, I like my freedom.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 31, 2017 21:40:49 GMT
I wondered why Abelas would just up and leave after guarding it for so long. However, it does make sense if you have Solas with you because what he says to Abelas at the end is not what he tells you. He basically says to him that his current duty is at an end. I'm pretty sure that Abelas has a good idea who Solas is or at the very least thinks he is a follower of Fen'Harel or a noble of old Arlathan because he recognises him as one of his People and Solas does not have vallaslin. It would seem only the priesthood of the gods and the slaves have vallaslin (if Solas is to be believed), so Solas would be recognised as someone of authority. The only thing that didn't make sense is why didn't Abelas drink from the Well himself? That way the knowledge would be preserved but no one else unworthy would get it.
By the time we reached the Well, I'd pretty much had it confirmed to me that Solas was not the humble apostate he had claimed to be. The words of Abelas to him confirmed what I had long suspected, that Solas was an ancient elf (naturally I never guessed he was Fen'Harel). The fact that Solas was so against Morrigan drinking and yet would not drink himself, set alarm bells ringing more than anything else, even if he didn't specifically warn me not to. I reckon he was pulling a double bluff as far as Morrigan was concerned; really he wanted her to drink because he knew full well what the consequences would be.
The plot itself though was very contrived. We went to the Arbor Wilds with the intention of stopping Corypheus using the eluvian there. We had no prior idea that specific knowledge there would defeat him and even after we saw him transform, there was still no reason to think that anything we would find in the ruins would help us with the problem. It was still a case of stopping him reaching the eluvian. Then all of a sudden it becomes imperative to drink from the Well because we don't want him to get it (so why not destroy it?) but there is still no reason to think that it will help against him. In the end it only really helps if there is no OGB because it tells us to go to the altar of Mythal. Otherwise Kieran runs off into the Fade and we meet Flemeth there. It is she who gives us the information, the Well just confirms its veracity.
At the end of the day just how much information did it give us? The translation to a few old texts and the ability to command some spirits. Doesn't seem much in return for the loss of autonomy.
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Post by javeart on Jan 31, 2017 23:18:25 GMT
(...) At the end of the day just how much information did it give us? The translation to a few old texts and the ability to command some spirits. Doesn't seem much in return for the loss of autonomy. Oh, yes, in that regard it was very disappointing, no doubt and what bothers me it's that in the scene where she drinks if there's no OGB, Morrigan seems to be learning a lot thanks to the well, it seems it's kind of true that's wasted with you, as much as one would not want to admit it And you cannot even headcanon that your Inquisitor spent the two years between Cory and Trespasser trying to learn more from it, because Trespasser proves you learned basically nothing :/ I mean, you can headcanon that s/he tried to learn something ( I still do it to explain myself why the hell she stayed with the Inquisition) but you have to admit that it was a total failure ... Yes, very disappointing... I still love it though, I hope nothing really bad comes out of it in DA4 and I can keep it as canon
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jan 31, 2017 23:45:50 GMT
At the end of the day just how much information did it give us? The translation to a few old texts and the ability to command some spirits. Doesn't seem much in return for the loss of autonomy. The well of sorrow it gives as much knowledge as Mythal want to it's host to have.The voices are bound to her so she is the only one which decide how much the host need to know,and since Flemeth has never shared her secret unless it helped her i can only imagine that the host will gain very little from it.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jan 31, 2017 23:53:15 GMT
(...) At the end of the day just how much information did it give us? The translation to a few old texts and the ability to command some spirits. Doesn't seem much in return for the loss of autonomy. And you cannot even headcanon that your Inquisitor spent the two years between Cory and Trespasser trying to learn more from it, because Trespasser proves you learned basically nothing :/ I mean, you can headcanon that s/he tried to learn something ( I still do it to explain myself why the hell she stayed with the Inquisition) but you have to admit that it was a total failure How so? In Trespasser with the well of sorrow The Inquisitor learned the ancient elven and was able to speak with those elven guardians. I can't imagine why the Inq will not be able to improve even more.
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Post by Nyx on Jan 31, 2017 23:58:35 GMT
The only Inquisitors I have that drink from the Well of Sorrows are Lavellans who believe that the wisdom contained therein should go to an elf, not an uppity human witch, or quizzies who don't trust Morrigan as far as they could throw her. So they drink from the Well, because they don't trust Morrigan's ultimate goals or ulterior motives.
All my other quizzies let Morrigan drink, because they recognize that there is an unknown danger and price to be paid for drinking from the well, and they might as well let Morrigan pay the price since she is so willing.
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Post by javeart on Feb 1, 2017 0:18:13 GMT
How so? In Trespasser with the well of sorrow The Inquisitor learned the ancient elven and was able to speak with those elven guardians. I can't imagine why the Inq will not be able to improve even more. Well, it might be that I'm too ambitious but it's been two years and all she gets is that? Very disappointing it seems very little to me, particularly compairing with Morrigan in that scene when she's reading the book and saying that she's understanding so many things now :/ Even the arcane knowledge perks gives you more extra options, less relevant of course, but it does more IMO to create the ilusion that your PC has some sort of rare knowledge... And about the future, it depends, if the Inquisitor doesn't come back, then yes, I can headcanon that she finally learned more , but if she does come back, I'm afraid that is going to be te same thing again... Hope I'm wrong though, and that something really cool comes from drinking in the end (all I'm expecting though is that being deprived from your will is only going to make you unable to avoid someone's death )
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Post by Aren on Feb 1, 2017 19:19:31 GMT
The well of sorrow was inspired from the Norse mythology. Mímisbrunnr (Old Norse "Mímir's well") the well associated with the being Mímir, located beneath the world tree Yggdrasil. The Prose Edda relates that the water of the well contains much wisdom, and that Odin's eye sacrifice to the well was in exchange for a drink from it.
Cole's comment on the Well which went something along these lines :- "There would be too many voices in your head, talking over you. You do not want them." made me think that the well could have somehow influenced the mind and the behaviour of the host in the long run in addiction to bound them with Mythal,so i decline it unless I possess an Inquisitor who is already bound to Mythal.
Having said that the well of Sorrow isn't going to be important going forward any more than any other imported consequence has any chance of being important going forward. At most it might provide some flavor dialogue or some slight variation on a scene but no meaningfully significant narrative variation that's why I really felt like Morrigan's huge cameo was unnecessary, and giving her this power - which in the end will likely mean nothing, just like the OGB .- just sounded ridiculous to me. Some mage advisor that your character doesn't know, joins your party toward the end, and demands all this power?
This is why I didn't like that the choice was even presented in the first place. It seems like a terrible idea to drink from the Well, but otherwise the X-Factor known as Morrigan gets some kind of special powers... and we can't refuse this nonsense outright by either destroying the well or by allowing someonelse to use it other than her or the Inquisitor?
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Post by Aren on Feb 1, 2017 19:31:51 GMT
The party at the Well had no idea of the progress of the battle going on outside. They knew the Inquisition and Orlesian armies were holding when they entered the temple. They were initially confident, hence the positive aspects of the dialogues before the battle. But after learning why Cory could not be killed, a stunning and frightening revelation, the assured assumption that they could kill him with numbers just went out the window. What else could he do? They had no idea. It could be worse than what they had seen so far. Would they destroy the Well if there was a chance it could hold the answer to killing Cory permanently? Abelas. I doubt his true name is Abelas. For all we knew, he could have received some kind of vision / message that there would come a time his eternal vigilance would come to an end and he was to let it happen. So from whom would he receive such a message? We know Flemeth liked to give nudges to steer certain events, she had admitted it. Would it be so surprising if she's the one? * The thought of the geas gave me pause. The Inq has the Mark. It is a powerful device that can kill many, destroy the world. The idea of a powerful being, even if she's thought to be dead, able to control the Inq like a puppet is abhorrent so drinking is never a choice. Abelas's reveal of the truth of Mythal showed that nothing can be assumed. Everything the elven Inq knew of the elven gods were flawed. I'm not a fan of stories where there is a single, top-secret method that the protagonists must employ in order to succeed, especially when this top-secret method gets revealed completely out of nowhere, without foreshadowing beforehand or even a proper explanation at the time of the revelation. I mean, are they trying to say that the entirety of the game hinges on this magical pool of water? What if they didn't meet Morrigan? Oh, right... she forced her way onto the team. Well, what if they arrived in the the Arbor Wilds a day late and Corypheus got to the pool first? He didn't seemed that interested in it until the player decided it was time to go to that area, but what if he got sick of waiting for the Inquisitor to finish the last of their fetch quests and put his plans in motion...? Oh wait, the timing is perfect because everything in the world revolves around the player. It's ridiculous... situations that can only be resolved in a single, very specific way through the use of a previously unheard of McGuffin are the worst kind of sloppy writing...
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Post by Blaze on Feb 9, 2017 7:18:55 GMT
me? i had none. oh my characters' reasoning? well for lethrias (my dalish) he saw not reason not to trust morrigan, and she wanted the well's knowledge. he did think she should be more careful about it (yes he was worried about morrigan, get over yourselves people!), but if she wants to have and as far as he could tell she was trying to help (regradless of the fact she also had an agenda, like who doesn't?), so as far as he was concerned she could drink from the well if she wanted. now, 2nd playthrough, satine (female dwarf) she just wanted the power, so obviously she drank from the well. she couldn't care less about morrigan i think those two will suffice, there were a lot more characters for me but that will be enough. personally i think story-wise morrigan is kinda useless if she's not the one drinking from the well, so you know, there's that.
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 9, 2017 7:54:21 GMT
For most of my playthroughs in the DA universe, my PT is usually the type that will do anything for more power, after all, that's how he became powerful in the first place. That's the reason my HoF decided to become a blood mage, why he chose the power of blood, why he chose to go into the fade and make a deal with the demon controlling connor. He was much like Sophia Dryden - win at all costs.
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Post by cheeseandonion on Feb 9, 2017 13:02:35 GMT
Drink from it myself most of the time, my inquisitors aren't afeard of no puddles.
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Post by akiza on Feb 10, 2017 5:01:43 GMT
"Dear Solas don't be mad at me I didn't drunk for the knowledge I drunk for the Water".
Signed Inquisitor Cadash.
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Post by secretrare on Feb 10, 2017 6:38:29 GMT
"Dear Solas don't be mad at me I didn't drunk for the knowledge I drunk for the Water". Signed Inquisitor Cadash. Well that's a good reason to drink I I guess ah ah...
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Post by Kei on Feb 16, 2017 0:18:59 GMT
It would be best for Thedas if Morrigan drank and then the Inquisitor put her under the same bindings Corypheus was going to use on Calpernia.
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