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Post by helios969 on Feb 1, 2017 23:38:41 GMT
The other mystery is whats up with the giant black hole in the middle of the cluster and the use of gravity. Wonder how this is tied to the scourge My prediction is that the Remnant utilized the black hole to power their tech, including ultra-advanced terraforming capabilities. The scourge could be part of the network, perhaps harnessing the gravitational energy. That would explain the heavy concentration of "golden worlds" (2.5 million years ago at least). I suspect many or most of those golden worlds have fell into disrepair after the Remnant disappeared...and at least one of the Pathfinder duties will be to locate and get them operational. It has the potential to be awesome and bring some interesting storytelling if Bio did their homework and has the chops.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 1, 2017 23:42:31 GMT
The other mystery is whats up with the giant black hole in the middle of the cluster and the use of gravity. Wonder how this is tied to the scourge My prediction is that the Remnant utilized the black hole to power their tech, including ultra-advanced terraforming capabilities. The scourge could be part of the network, perhaps harnessing the gravitational energy. That would explain the heavy concentration of "golden worlds" (2.5 million years ago at least). I suspect many or most of those golden worlds have fell into disrepair after the Remnant disappeared...and at least one of the Pathfinder duties will be to locate and get them operational. It has the potential to be awesome and bring some interesting storytelling if Bio did their homework and has the chops. I do think the blackhole is the reason why we have so many golden worlds in the Helius cluster. But its a natural phemnon and not really tied to the Remnant. I also think the scourge is more threat then benign. Though it likely does have something to do with the Remnant.
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Post by helios969 on Feb 1, 2017 23:47:59 GMT
My prediction is that the Remnant utilized the black hole to power their tech, including ultra-advanced terraforming capabilities. The scourge could be part of the network, perhaps harnessing the gravitational energy. That would explain the heavy concentration of "golden worlds" (2.5 million years ago at least). I suspect many or most of those golden worlds have fell into disrepair after the Remnant disappeared...and at least one of the Pathfinder duties will be to locate and get them operational. It has the potential to be awesome and bring some interesting storytelling if Bio did their homework and has the chops. I do think the blackhole is the reason why we have so many golden worlds in the Helius cluster. But its a natural phemnon and not really tied to the Remnant. I also think the scourge is more threat then benign. Though it likely does have something to do with the Remnant. I agree it is likely a natural phenomenon, but an ultra-advanced race might be inclined to harness the tremendous energy potential. They very well could have chosen to build their "empire" in close proximity to it for that reason. I'm just speculating...stuff like that gets my creative juices flowing. Lots of interesting storytelling possibilities.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 1, 2017 23:51:46 GMT
The hole has to be a door or portal to somewhere considering mass is neither created nor destroyed. And the fact that they discover a gravity well that keeps things from falling, maybe this has something to do with the reason why the hole isn't sucking in all the habitats that surround it?
Can't find a screenshot, but you can see it in this video. go tp 5:38
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Post by Fazed Muttley on Feb 2, 2017 0:07:23 GMT
Looking at it. In the Begining of the Trailer it seems to be moving and covering the atmosphere of Habitat 7. When the Tempest makes contact with it, it forms sparks (suggesting maybe it metallic), and when the Tempest is being chased by what I assume is a Kett ship, it also seems to be moving in that scene too, could just be the way its animated with the ship chase and all.
Maybe the Scourge is alive, or some form of technology. Perhaps the Remnant Vaults are explored to understand this, for lack of a better term, containment technology.
If maybe the MW species arrived, this Scourge didnt recognise them as native and began "waking up". We seek to stop it spreading for habitation/safety purposes, and maybe Archon seeks to use it to destroy us for whatever his motives are as he sees it as a potential weapon.
Once again the above is pure speculation on my part. I am looking forward to finding out what it actually is.
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Post by leonick on Feb 2, 2017 5:07:13 GMT
And the fact that they discover a gravity well that keeps things from falling, maybe this has something to do with the reason why the hole isn't sucking in all the habitats that surround it? Black holes aren't vacuum cleaners, they don't suck things in to them. If you get too close you'll fall in because you aren't going fast enough, the same is true for the Sun and the Earth. Or in other words, it's perfectly possible to have a stable orbit around a black hole. Remember that it is the Helios cluster, as in Star Cluster. The habitat markers on that map are star systems containing the habitats, each orbiting the black presumably several light years away.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 2, 2017 6:08:27 GMT
And the fact that they discover a gravity well that keeps things from falling, maybe this has something to do with the reason why the hole isn't sucking in all the habitats that surround it? Black holes aren't vacuum cleaners, they don't suck things in to them. If you get too close you'll fall in because you aren't going fast enough, the same is true for the Sun and the Earth. Or in other words, it's perfectly possible to have a stable orbit around a black hole. Remember that it is the Helios cluster, as in Star Cluster. The habitat markers on that map are star systems containing the habitats, each orbiting the black presumably several light years away. Well you aren't wrong.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 2, 2017 17:04:16 GMT
Maybe the Scourge is alive, or some form of technology. Perhaps the Remnant Vaults are explored to understand this, for lack of a better term, containment technology. If maybe the MW species arrived, this Scourge didnt recognise them as native and began "waking up". We seek to stop it spreading for habitation/safety purposes, and maybe Archon seeks to use it to destroy us for whatever his motives are as he sees it as a potential weapon. There must always be a Lich King!
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 2, 2017 17:24:57 GMT
I think the Remnant tech found in the vaults is the new Mass Effect. And I also have caught hints in the trailers that makes me wonder if they're recycling Drew's Dark Energy theme but for this game.
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Post by kino on Feb 2, 2017 18:13:56 GMT
interesting theory. Until I know more I'm thinking of the Scourge as the outer space equivalent of kudzu.
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Post by Element Zero on Feb 2, 2017 20:06:12 GMT
So I read in another posting discussing if the biotic powers from the original trilogy are exclusive to the Milky Way Galaxy and brought with the species of the Milky Way to Andromeda. This lead me to also wonder at a much higher level, wouldn't the entire "Mass Effect" from the reaper technology also be exclusive to the Milky Way Galaxy if the Reapers and the original trilogy truly do not integrate into this new series? <snip> Edit: New Theory: No idea if element zero will be part of the Andromeda periodic table. Maybe the introduction of element zero to Andromeda system actually causes the Scourge. By the time the Ryders arrive, the element zero from the Nexus and the other Arks have caused this scourge, and the Kett are pissed about it. Could be why they see us a threat. I believe this thread needs a reminder of exactly what both element zero and the mass effect are. I don't think the Scourge is a new Mass Effect. The Mass Effect is just a principle in physics, and thus is universal. I think the Scourge is a kind of technology that it utilized for the Archon's purposes. Exactly. Element zero is not an element. Element zero is the name humans have given this once "normal" material affected by the radiation output of a supernova. As such, it is found and mined in asteroids, planets and other bodies affected by this radiation. Stars are born and die throughout the universe. Supernovas happen throughout the universe. Thus, "eezo" exists universally. It's physics. Now, we come to the mass effect. This is again a name for a universal physical phenomenon. When electrical current is applied to element zero, a mass effect field is created. When a positive current is applied to element zero, mass is increased. When a negative current is applied, mass is reduced. That's it. It's physics. (It's fantasy physics for a fantasy world, but within this world it's absolutely real.) So, the mass effect positively exists already in Andromeda, just as it exists throughout the universe under "normal" circumstances. Whether the denizens of Andromeda have harnessed its potential in any way, we can't yet say. It seems likely that, at some point, some civilization would have done so. That doesn't mean that the Kett use mass effect tech, though. Mac Walters tweeted a reply some time ago that seemed to imply that we Milkies would be the ones using mass effect tech, while the Andromedans used different tech. With biotics being a natural expression of the mass effect, I'd be surprised if we don't see Andromedan biotics.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Feb 2, 2017 22:50:12 GMT
Maybe the Scourge is alive, or some form of technology. Perhaps the Remnant Vaults are explored to understand this, for lack of a better term, containment technology. If maybe the MW species arrived, this Scourge didnt recognise them as native and began "waking up". We seek to stop it spreading for habitation/safety purposes, and maybe Archon seeks to use it to destroy us for whatever his motives are as he sees it as a potential weapon. There must always be a Lich King! -MASSIVE FLASHBACK DINOSAUR SCREAM-
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Post by Reznore on Feb 3, 2017 13:00:08 GMT
The scourge could be related to the Remnants (?) and what destroyed them. Perhaps technology gone wrong, something gone viral. If Bioware wants to explain why nobody bothered to pillage the vaults, they can say there is some social taboos about the vaults , something the Ketts might have crossed and/or enforced. And if The Andromeda Initiative decide to put its collective nose where it doesn't belong , they might have released the Scourge. Or the Archon did it , they're using some form of dark angel imagery with him so he might have suffered a fall from grace for X reasons.Or the devs just used that because it looked kewl.
That could also somewhat tie in the AI issue , the Scourge might have been created to destroy technology or it might be a self created bots/Ai virus .
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Post by sgtreed24 on Feb 3, 2017 14:04:03 GMT
It's possible there are alternative elemental compounds / naturally-occuring matter(s) that we have not yet discovered which might be more common or more powerful than element zero. It's possible the presumably far older Andromedan species may have moved on from element zero and as a result their technology and what we would refer to as 'biotics' may be more advanced. I'm really hoping this is the case. I want the Andromedans to be more advanced than the milky way species. Biotics being see as primitive (but then turning out to work BECAUSE they are so primitive) would be great imo. Tired of being the top dog instantly.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 3, 2017 14:04:48 GMT
Maybe the scourge is a version of a Mass Effect field. Maybe a Dark Effect field?
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 9, 2017 2:03:13 GMT
So I read in another posting discussing if the biotic powers from the original trilogy are exclusive to the Milky Way Galaxy and brought with the species of the Milky Way to Andromeda. This lead me to also wonder at a much higher level, wouldn't the entire "Mass Effect" from the reaper technology also be exclusive to the Milky Way Galaxy if the Reapers and the original trilogy truly do not integrate into this new series? From the Wiki: "Mass relays consist of two fifteen-kilometer (or nine-mile) long curved metal arms surrounding a set of revolving, gyroscopic rings five-kilometers across. These rings contain a massive, blue-glowing core of element zero. The relays are made of an unknown but incredibly resilient material, the same material that the Citadel is built from..." "Mass relays function by creating a virtually mass-free "corridor" of space-time between each other. This can propel a starship across enormous distances that would take centuries to traverse, even at FTL speeds. Before a vessel can travel, the relay must be given the amount of mass to transit by the ship's pilot before it is moved into the approach corridor. When a relay is activated, it aligns itself with the corresponding relay before propelling the ship across space..." So why am I putting those words in bold? Well element zero is manipulated into a mass effect field that provides the biotics power, and advances humanity/other races far beyond their initial capabilities in technology. It is a very common motif and symbolic/literal rise and fall of intelligent life/organics thanks to the Reapers. The advancement in space travel and technology for humans is made only possible thanks to a "virtually mass-free 'corridor' of space-time". The same tech that was to supposed to bring upon their doom......until Shepard decided to go all Matthew Mcconaughey, and unleash Murphy's Law. That being said, is the Scourge from a literary sense, a FOIL to the "mass effect" of the original trilogy and vice versa? Instead of creating "Mass Free" space travel, it prevents and destroys anything from traveling. Do you think the Scourge is the symbolic Mass Effect of Andromeda that looks too also be the death of it's galaxy's species? Could this be the writers explaining that the Andromeda Initiative is coming to a dying galaxy? Was it something similar to the Reaper tech that may have once advanced the species of the galaxy? And my favorite part, do you think we will learn to manipulate the Scourge or whatever element it contains for a new set of powers in a similar fashion to how biotics manipulate element zero?
Edit: New Theory: No idea if element zero will be part of the Andromeda periodic table. Maybe the introduction of element zero to Andromeda system actually causes the Scourge. By the time the Ryders arrive, the element zero from the Nexus and the other Arks have caused this scourge, and the Kett are pissed about it. Could be why they see us a threat. Well if you look at the gameplay trailer when Ryder is in the remnant vault and they activate the vault, I'm pretty sure it must be the scourge that arises from the vault that they are running away from. So in all probability, the scourge is artificial and created by the remnant. I don't think it was supposed to be a weapon or anything, but it seems to come from remnant vaults which peebee points out are on many worlds of the helius cluster. What the scourge is supposed to be is hard to say. It could be a mass terraforming device similar to star trek ( in the new movie), or it could be something else entirely. Look at 2 minutes 40 seconds and tell me thats not similar to the scourge in the recent trailer.
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Post by Xerxes52 on Feb 9, 2017 2:14:56 GMT
I'm thinking that the Scourge is either:
1). A rapid terraforming technology, however it works by "overwriting" the biosphere of whatever planet it's used on, wiping out what life is already on the planet and replacing it with an environment suitable to the Scourge's users.
2). It's a cloud of harvesting drones that can strip a planet of its natural resources rapidly (i.e. decades instead of millennia). Of course it could also be tuned to harvest (read: destroy) plants, animals, people, and even star ships.
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Post by kansasmarcelo on Feb 9, 2017 2:55:08 GMT
Hold up the black cloud thing is actually called the Scourge?
Damn reminds of Final fantasy 15 the black cloud smoke called the Star scourge.
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