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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 1, 2017 9:44:43 GMT
So I read in another posting discussing if the biotic powers from the original trilogy are exclusive to the Milky Way Galaxy and brought with the species of the Milky Way to Andromeda. This lead me to also wonder at a much higher level, wouldn't the entire "Mass Effect" from the reaper technology also be exclusive to the Milky Way Galaxy if the Reapers and the original trilogy truly do not integrate into this new series?
From the Wiki: "Mass relays consist of two fifteen-kilometer (or nine-mile) long curved metal arms surrounding a set of revolving, gyroscopic rings five-kilometers across. These rings contain a massive, blue-glowing core of element zero. The relays are made of an unknown but incredibly resilient material, the same material that the Citadel is built from..."
"Mass relays function by creating a virtually mass-free "corridor" of space-time between each other. This can propel a starship across enormous distances that would take centuries to traverse, even at FTL speeds. Before a vessel can travel, the relay must be given the amount of mass to transit by the ship's pilot before it is moved into the approach corridor. When a relay is activated, it aligns itself with the corresponding relay before propelling the ship across space..."
So why am I putting those words in bold? Well element zero is manipulated into a mass effect field that provides the biotics power, and advances humanity/other races far beyond their initial capabilities in technology. It is a very common motif and symbolic/literal rise and fall of intelligent life/organics thanks to the Reapers. The advancement in space travel and technology for humans is made only possible thanks to a "virtually mass-free 'corridor' of space-time". The same tech that was to supposed to bring upon their doom......until Shepard decided to go all Matthew Mcconaughey, and unleash Murphy's Law.
That being said, is the Scourge from a literary sense, a FOIL to the "mass effect" of the original trilogy and vice versa? Instead of creating "Mass Free" space travel, it prevents and destroys anything from traveling. Do you think the Scourge is the symbolic Mass Effect of Andromeda that looks too also be the death of it's galaxy's species? Could this be the writers explaining that the Andromeda Initiative is coming to a dying galaxy? Was it something similar to the Reaper tech that may have once advanced the species of the galaxy?
And my favorite part, do you think we will learn to manipulate the Scourge or whatever element it contains for a new set of powers in a similar fashion to how biotics manipulate element zero?
Edit: New Theory:
No idea if element zero will be part of the Andromeda periodic table. Maybe the introduction of element zero to Andromeda system actually causes the Scourge. By the time the Ryders arrive, the element zero from the Nexus and the other Arks have caused this scourge, and the Kett are pissed about it. Could be why they see us a threat.
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That being said, is the Scourge from a literary sense, a FOIL to the "mass effect" of the original trilogy and vice versa? Instead of creating "Mass Free" space travel, it prevents and destroys anything from traveling. Do you think the Scourge is the symbolic Mass Effect of Andromeda that looks too also be the death of it's galaxy's species? Could this be the writers explaining that the Andromeda Initiative is coming to a dying galaxy? Was it something similar to the Reaper tech that may have once advanced the species of the galaxy? That sounds interesting. Perhaps our role is to introduce mass effect technology to the new galaxy & open up new routes, widen everyone else's horizons, etc. Which objective is met by antagonism because the Kett are trying to hide something, etc. etc. It goes with the general theme of the human race being SPESHUL and such. On the other hand the MW species still don't understand it well enough to be able to build mass relays and such.
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Post by ProbeAway on Feb 1, 2017 12:09:18 GMT
Humans (and other species) first utilised the mass effect without assistance from reaper tech, so in theory they could do it just fine in Andromeda. They key would be having access to eezo, which may or may not exist in The Helius Cluster/Andromeda.
As for the scourge, I think that sounds like a Remnant/Khet planetary defence/invasion system. My guess is that it consists of billions of nanite-type machines. It would be interesting tho if we could manipulate it to our own ends or reverse engineer other weapons or tools.
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Post by darcon on Feb 1, 2017 18:13:32 GMT
Before others say it, I think the reason we can travel to the Andromeda galaxy in a relatively short amount of time is that we still used the Relays in some way to make it to Andromeda, other wise it would take a lot long then a few centuries to get there. Also I'm gonna use FTL to refer to the way the mass relays work, even though its not completely accurate.
The scourge could be used for a few things, first as a sort of continment system that prevents something escaping, one way this can happen is that without FTL travel what ever is contained won't make it very far or without certain energies during FTL like say element zero it won't wake up or have enough energy to move.
It might also be used in the opposite way that is keeps something from getting in, all sorts of things can happen simply because we know nothing about it really.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 1, 2017 18:20:24 GMT
I don't think the Scourge is a new Mass Effect. The Mass Effect is just a principle in physics, and thus is universal.
I think the Scourge is a kind of technology that it utilized for the Archon's purposes.
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Post by commandercryptarch on Feb 1, 2017 18:23:03 GMT
That is a very interesting notion.
I would like to see what the Scourge really is. At first I thought it would be a natural phenomenon,now I am not so sure. Neither do I think it is "made". Rather a a very dangerous natural phenomenon that CAN be manipulated into a ...weapon? I dunno... Just pure speculation .
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Feb 1, 2017 18:48:43 GMT
I think the Scourge is a bit of space Chlamydia, and it's our duty to apply topical cream to it since we haven't brought any Thanix canons.
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Post by Sifr on Feb 1, 2017 19:02:04 GMT
Humans (and other species) first utilised the mass effect without assistance from reaper tech, so in theory they could do it just fine in Andromeda. They key would be having access to eezo, which may or may not exist in The Helius Cluster/Andromeda. All species in the Milky Way derive their technology from the Reapers, who were the first to discover the mass effect. Sovereign explained in first game that the Reapers are responsible for why mass effect technology dominates the Milky Way, because they intentionally leave it behind when wiping out all other traces of advanced organic life and tech during the Harvest. This allows the Reapers to control the development of all species along the same basic technological lines, as well as confining them to using the Mass Relay network if they want to move around. We're never told of a species discovering mass effect technology independently, but it seems most (if not all) of them only learned of it from recovered data caches and ruins left behind from species in the previous Cycle. That's not to say that no species in Andromeda hasn't come up with mass effect due to technological convergence. But without the Reapers to guide them along one path like in the Milky Way, the species in Andromeda may have developed down a totally different technological branch. For instance, during the N7 Day trailer, Peebee talks about the pit near them acting "like a gravity well", which might imply one Andromeda species may have mastered gravity manipulation.
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Post by guanxi on Feb 1, 2017 19:21:05 GMT
It's possible there are alternative elemental compounds / naturally-occuring matter(s) that we have not yet discovered which might be more common or more powerful than element zero. It's possible the presumably far older Andromedan species may have moved on from element zero and as a result their technology and what we would refer to as 'biotics' may be more advanced.
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Post by PermTrouble on Feb 1, 2017 19:49:22 GMT
I think the scourge itself is a defense mechanism that acts as a barrier (wall) to keep the Milky Way immigrants out.
I'm betting we learn to manipulate scourge to strengthen armor
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Post by clonemenace on Feb 1, 2017 19:54:41 GMT
My initial thought was that it is a weapon that the Kett utilized. I'm still thinking along those lines, but it could be something that they barely have control over and is highly unstable. The Remnant probably factor into this somewhere as well.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 1, 2017 20:21:42 GMT
I think the Scourge is a kind of technology that it utilized for the Archon's purposes. That's what it seems like in the trailer, but it also seems so one dimensional.
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Post by Beerfish on Feb 1, 2017 21:01:43 GMT
I am calling my Scourge 'Ebeneezer'
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Feb 1, 2017 21:40:40 GMT
I'm a little worried this scourge is a new "save the world by destroying it" type trope. Otherwise why call it scourge? Was hoping to leave that behind with the Reapers. I really don't want the focus of this new game to be about stopping the big bad before they destroy everything. Otherwise it's just the same plot as the OT. Makes my protagonist feel like an asshole for ever taking a break to just hang out and explore.
They need to do something similar to how DA2 was structured, in that the game is broken up into acts with their own self-contained arcs. Make the threats smaller and more personal, they'll have the same impact. I just don't want one single looming threat always hanging on my back. As it seems from what's been revealed I'm always going to be looking over my shoulder for this 'Archon' and his 'scourge'. Ugh.
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Post by ProbeAway on Feb 1, 2017 21:40:56 GMT
Humans (and other species) first utilised the mass effect without assistance from reaper tech, so in theory they could do it just fine in Andromeda. They key would be having access to eezo, which may or may not exist in The Helius Cluster/Andromeda. All species in the Milky Way derive their technology from the Reapers, who were the first to discover the mass effect. Sovereign explained in first game that the Reapers are responsible for why mass effect technology dominates the Milky Way, because they intentionally leave it behind when wiping out all other traces of advanced organic life and tech during the Harvest. This allows the Reapers to control the development of all species along the same basic technological lines, as well as confining them to using the Mass Relay network if they want to move around. That's not entirely true. Sovereign' exact words were: "Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire." All the reapers needed to ensure was that the MW species' technology didn't diverge from the use of mass effect fields and - more particularly - the relays. By leaving the relays and the citadel behind they minimise the likelihood that a species will develop an alternative means of intra-galactic travel and settlement. I haven't seen anything to suggest that the Reapers actually discovered mass effect fields, although I'm happy to be corrected on that point. The Leviathans and plenty of advanced species existed in the MW before the reapers so it seems likely to me that other species would have utilised mass effect fields on their own. I think the chance that humanity or other species would never have discovered eezo-based FTL without the reapers' intervention is very low. What the reapers did is ensure that (a) mass effect fields were more readily discoverable, ( MW species would become reliant on the mass relay network and (c) they would stick to studying and using mass effect fields instead of diverging in their technological development. Anyway, all I was trying to get across was that the MW species in Andromeda will still be able to continue developing their technology based on mass effect fields, provided that they have access to eezo. The OP's first paragraph seemed to suggest that mass effect technology wouldn't exist in Andromeda because there were no reapers (although in hindsight I could have misinterpreted that). I suspect that eezo and mass effect tech will already be present in Andromeda to some degree, if for no other reason than to justify calling this game 'Mass Effect'.
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Post by Thalandor on Feb 1, 2017 22:02:23 GMT
The mass effect is more a science thing than a specific device (like mass relays). The Milky Way races going to andromeda already master mass effect science/tech and they can just build whatever they need (biotics, weapons), as long as they can find element zero in Andromeda.
The big issue is mass relays, which were built by the Reapers and are certainly not present in Andromeda. This might be why the game seems to take place within only one star cluster. Even though in the ME games we could visit 1-5 star systems within a cluster, there can be in fact thousands of stars in a cluster, so it shouldn't be a problem for the game to provide us an a big enough sandbox to play in, even if it's not galaxy sized.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 1, 2017 22:52:56 GMT
Anyway, all I was trying to get across was that the MW species in Andromeda will still be able to continue developing their technology based on mass effect fields, provided that they have access to eezo. The OP's first paragraph seemed to suggest that mass effect technology wouldn't exist in Andromeda because there were no reapers (although in hindsight I could have misinterpreted that). I suspect that eezo and mass effect tech will already be present in Andromeda to some degree, if for no other reason than to justify calling this game 'Mass Effect'. Everything I stated is meant to be openly interpreted and discussed. No idea if element zero will be part of the Andromeda periodic table. Maybe the introduction of element zero to Andromeda system actually causes the Scourge. By the time the Ryders arrive, the element zero from the Nexus and the other Arks have caused this scourge, and the Kett are pissed about it. Could be why they see us a threat. Again, from a writing stand point, Element Zero, the Mass Relays, the Reapers, Biotics were all motifs part of the original trilogy's theme. It would be cool, in my opinion to have something like the scourge be this FOIL of a character to the so called "Mass Effect" that happened in the Milky Way galaxy.
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Post by helios969 on Feb 1, 2017 22:56:19 GMT
The scourge is the Mass Effect equivalent of Red Lyrium.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 1, 2017 23:00:31 GMT
The scourge is the Mass Effect equivalent of Red Lyrium. I'm not sure if you are joking or not but I can actually see this being true...
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Post by helios969 on Feb 1, 2017 23:07:48 GMT
The scourge is the Mass Effect equivalent of Red Lyrium. I'm not sure if you are joking or not but I can actually see this being true... Sadly, only half joking 'cause I can totally see it happening. Maybe the Archon has to feed it organic energy to multiply. "Now I know what makes you 'special.'"
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Post by colfoley on Feb 1, 2017 23:08:23 GMT
I'm not sure if you are joking or not but I can actually see this being true... Sadly, only half joking 'cause I can totally see it happening. Maybe the Archon has to feed it organic energy to multiply. "Now I know what makes you 'special.'" Eww.
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Post by helios969 on Feb 1, 2017 23:12:09 GMT
Sadly, only half joking 'cause I can totally see it happening. Maybe the Archon has to feed it organic energy to multiply. "Now I know what makes you 'special.'" Eww. Well, wasn't the lyrium growing out of people in DAI when you traveled to the bright future Corypheus had in mind.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 1, 2017 23:13:37 GMT
Well, wasn't the lyrium growing out of people in DAI when you traveled to the bright future Corypheus had in mind. Indeed it was. Though I do not think, as of this point in time, the Archon and the 'Scourge' are working together.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 1, 2017 23:27:51 GMT
The other mystery is whats up with the giant black hole in the middle of the cluster and the use of gravity. Wonder how this is tied to the scourge
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Post by helios969 on Feb 1, 2017 23:28:57 GMT
Well, wasn't the lyrium growing out of people in DAI when you traveled to the bright future Corypheus had in mind. Indeed it was. Though I do not think, as of this point in time, the Archon and the 'Scourge' are working together. It might just be something the Archon is utilizing...leftover tech from the Remnant in all probability. Whatever it is, it looks like it does some wicked damage to the Tempest.
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