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Post by dalinne on Feb 2, 2017 0:13:42 GMT
I didn't know where to post this. I looked for a similar topic in General discussion and also in character's subsection. I didn't find any.
I read some theories here in this forum which tried to explain the reason why we presumably end as the Pathfinder instead of Cora: SAM choosing us, our father KIA or MIA, space magic, the power of parent love... I've been thinking about it and this is my theory: What if DadRyder transfers SAM to us in order to save us during the first mission?The first mission usually is the "tutorial" one. There are two possible escenarios: 1) Reconnaissance mission. Our father goes solo to Habitat 7 and we go too with our squad. Maybe we lead or, presumably, Cora leads or squad. 2) Before that reconnaissance mission there is some kind of accident (as Gamespot pointed out) maybe we end on a planet relying on ourselves, maybe Liam is also there. We try to re-establish communication with our father, and he tells us he is also on the planet looking for us. The thing is at some point during that first mission (where tutorial shows us how to shoot and use basic soldier powers) we find an enemy we simply can't defeat. Maybe a big space bear/ Feid. Liam (and Cora if she is also present) are down and we are on our own. Dad Ryder is trying to instruct us through the comm, but he quickly realizes you won't win or survive to that fight. For example: you are a soldier by default and you run out of bullets. You have no melée weapon yet. Your only way to survive this is with another profile (adept, vanguard, engineer...) but you don't have the skill. That's why somehow he transfers SAM to you. He gives you the program in order to save you. That way also you as a player learn the basic of that profile change Pathfinder implants allow. Tutorial. Thanks to this, you survive to the fight. However, the communication with Alec Ryder is lost. When you arrive to the rendez-vous point, there are signs of violence and his helmet. He is MIA and pressumed dead. Also, as SAM successfully was transfered to your soldier's implants or whatevs, you are in fact the Pathfinder instead of Cora. Maybe at first that is only a title because Cora still in charge. Maybe in Nexus nobody approves what your father did (in order to save you) although without that decision you and your team would be dead. Also, bonus points if Alec Ryder is not dead during the game, you slowly realize that and also more bonus if he keeps something of SAM technology and he goes rogue on his own. Well, this was my theory. If you don't like it I have more
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Post by colfoley on Feb 2, 2017 0:20:12 GMT
I think it would be really, really, neat if for a time, you are not actually in charge of the mission but Cora is. Instead of leading the squad, you are just a part of Cora's squad. Now this does fly in the face of BioWare's traditional 'squad based' game play, though they did try and do this with Dragon Age Inquisition...sort of.
Honestly though the most likely explanation is in Cora's bio. She is a specialist. She specializes in ground team deployment so her place is on the bridge of the Tempest/ Hyperion/ Nexus, coordinating the ground team missions. So, this gives the time for whatever to happen, happens, and through those events Ryder proves themselves and then becomes the pathfinder and Cora then joins your squad towards the end of 'Act 1'.
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Cora is the one who gets captured and with Dad Ryder getting promoted to be the head of Nexus Security it automatically falls to Ryder. And then when Ryder finds her, and she joins your squad, they have already proven themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 2:19:15 GMT
I didn't know where to post this. I looked for a similar topic in General discussion and also in character's subsection. I didn't find any.
I read some theories here in this forum which tried to explain the reason why we presumably end as the Pathfinder instead of Cora: SAM choosing us, our father KIA or MIA, space magic, the power of parent love... I've been thinking about it and this is my theory: What if DadRyder transfers SAM to us in order to save us during the first mission?The first mission usually is the "tutorial" one. There are two possible escenarios: 1) Reconnaissance mission. Our father goes solo to Habitat 7 and we go too with our squad. Maybe we lead or, presumably, Cora leads or squad. 2) Before that reconnaissance mission there is some kind of accident (as Gamespot pointed out) maybe we end on a planet relying on ourselves, maybe Liam is also there. We try to re-establish communication with our father, and he tells us he is also on the planet looking for us. The thing is at some point during that first mission (where tutorial shows us how to shoot and use basic soldier powers) we find an enemy we simply can't defeat. Maybe a big space bear/ Feid. Liam (and Cora if she is also present) are down and we are on our own. Dad Ryder is trying to instruct us through the comm, but he quickly realizes you won't win or survive to that fight. For example: you are a soldier by default and you run out of bullets. You have no melée weapon yet. Your only way to survive this is with another profile (adept, vanguard, engineer...) but you don't have the skill. That's why somehow he transfers SAM to you. He gives you the program in order to save you. That way also you as a player learn the basic of that profile change Pathfinder implants allow. Tutorial. Thanks to this, you survive to the fight. However, the communication with Alec Ryder is lost. When you arrive to the rendez-vous point, there are signs of violence and his helmet. He is MIA and pressumed dead. Also, as SAM successfully was transfered to your soldier's implants or whatevs, you are in fact the Pathfinder instead of Cora. Maybe at first that is only a title because Cora still in charge. Maybe in Nexus nobody approves what your father did (in order to save you) although without that decision you and your team would be dead. Also, bonus points if Alec Ryder is not dead during the game, you slowly realize that and also more bonus if he keeps something of SAM technology and he goes rogue on his own. Well, this was my theory. If you don't like it I have more I don't think that will happen. While it's an interesting theory, the latest briefing tell us that all members of the pathfinder's team already have SAM. I also seem to recall that our relationship with Alec would be at least a little antagonistic. But I'm can't confirm it, or if it will be left for us to roleplay it. I think it would be really, really, neat if for a time, you are not actually in charge of the mission but Cora is. Instead of leading the squad, you are just a part of Cora's squad. Now this does fly in the face of BioWare's traditional 'squad based' game play, though they did try and do this with Dragon Age Inquisition...sort of. Honestly though the most likely explanation is in Cora's bio. She is a specialist. She specializes in ground team deployment so her place is on the bridge of the Tempest/ Hyperion/ Nexus, coordinating the ground team missions. So, this gives the time for whatever to happen, happens, and through those events Ryder proves themselves and then becomes the pathfinder and Cora then joins your squad towards the end of 'Act 1'. -Or- Cora is the one who gets captured and with Dad Ryder getting promoted to be the head of Nexus Security it automatically falls to Ryder. And then when Ryder finds her, and she joins your squad, they have already proven themselves. That would be really cool. I like the idea of proving ourselves as the most capable leader instead of it magically happening, or because we've acquired a special ability at the start of the game. It gives you a sense that you've earned it. As for Cora, I love the idea of her actually becoming pathfinder before us. And along the way she resigns, and decide to follow us instead. I just don't want her to be Miranda 2.0 and bitch about us, slowing becoming more accepting of our leadership. I'd prefer that she support us from the start, but it's just my opinion. Of course, it could be interesting to roleplay as if you don't want that leadership as well (if we have that option, that is).
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Feb 2, 2017 4:00:13 GMT
I like your theory OP, the only thing that makes me think it's not right is the latest briefing as mdnplayer stated, all squadmates have access to SAM on the Tempest, so we already have access from the start to profile altering and boosts. In terms of how things may play out, I think Mac n co have used trailers in a way to deviate us from the true story (mixing up the chronological order all over the show) and straight up misdirection (like the first planet with scourge in Cinematic #2...that ain't no Habitat 7 I can tell you now). I think it's really well done in that we've seen quite a lot of story beats, yet we still really have no idea what the hell the story is about, and what peoples motivations really are. In that sense, the marketing has succeeded, kudos BioWare on that front: we're still in the dark as fuck
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Post by fialka on Feb 2, 2017 4:32:29 GMT
I like your theory OP, the only thing that makes me think it's not right is the latest briefing as mdnplayer stated, all squadmates have access to SAM on the Tempest, so we already have access from the start to profile altering and boosts. In terms of how things may play out, I think Mac n co have used trailers in a way to deviate us from the true story (mixing up the chronological order all over the show) and straight up misdirection (like the first planet with scourge in Cinematic #2...that ain't no Habitat 7 I can tell you now). I think it's really well done in that we've seen quite a lot of story beats, yet we still really have no idea what the hell the story is about, and what peoples motivations really are. In that sense, the marketing has succeeded, kudos BioWare on that front: we're still in the dark as fuck Actually if you listen closely, it sounds like only Alec Ryder has the fancy Pathfinder implant with all the neural and sensory stuff. The other members of the team have an implant that allows them to communicate with SAM, and that's probably it. So, no idea how we end up with one (aren't we potentially talking brain surgery here?) or why we're chosen specifically to take his place. The video makes it look like Liam and Cora are part of Alec's core team and would be the more obvious choices.
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Post by bshep on Feb 2, 2017 5:38:55 GMT
Don't know. I still think it's more likely that Scott/Sara becoming pathfinder has something to do with the fact that Alec created SAM and the protagonist as his son/daughter somehow "inherits" the AI.
ps: admit that it is kind of nice that Bioware is keeping the story pretty much a secret. Less than two months until the game is released and we only know the setting so far.
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Post by Fazed Muttley on Feb 2, 2017 9:24:23 GMT
I like the ideas in this thread . Personally, I've always been of the thought, that as Ultro... I mean SAM is connected to the crew and can monitor them. When something happens to Rydad and SAM is supposed to default to Cora. It elects not to, maybe it finds her too hot headed or something, or predicts that she will not be able to handle it for whatever reason and picks our Ryder.
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Post by Ahriman on Feb 2, 2017 10:25:03 GMT
Doesn't sound bad, but somehow it feels "gamey" to me. As does whole profile thing though. I didn't know where to post this. I looked for a similar topic in General discussion and also in character's subsection. I didn't find any. I don't think that will happen. While it's an interesting theory, the latest briefing tell us that all members of the pathfinder's team already have SAM. They all have Sam, but Sam doesn't have all. Only Pathfinder has full stack of implants, the rest just have connection. In case anyone forgot "It sees and feels as Ryder does, providing him... list-of-stuff... All members of Pathfinder team receive implants allowing them to communicate directly with Sam."
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Post by dalinne on Feb 2, 2017 11:07:38 GMT
Doesn't sound bad, but somehow it feels "gamey" to me. As does whole profile thing though. I don't think that will happen. While it's an interesting theory, the latest briefing tell us that all members of the pathfinder's team already have SAM. They all have Sam, but Sam doesn't have all. Only Pathfinder has full stack of implants, the rest just have connection. In case anyone forgot "It sees and feels as Ryder does, providing him... list-of-stuff... All members of Pathfinder team receive implants allowing them to communicate directly with Sam." Yes! (English is not my first language so probably I lost a lot of content, but) the way I understood the briefing only the Pathfinders have the ability of switching and using all profiles regarding the implant. However, if all the crew already have connection with SAM through implants (but we don't have the Pathfinder program installed) it would be easier if Dad Ryder orders SAM to download the Pathfinder Program in you. I don't know, maybe it's me trying to avoid the "special snowflake" treatment. If the five Pathfinders have that profile switching, at least Playable Ryder wouldn't be so special as Shepard (I touched the Beacon) was. Anyway, I'm really enjoying all the comments and theories In addition, ivory Samoan I think you are right when you point out that maybe we get the Pathfinder position late in the game, the same way we know we will use the N7 armor at some point.
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Post by kumazan on Feb 2, 2017 11:18:39 GMT
I like the theory, I think it could be an interesting introduction to the game as well as a good setup for a possible major theme with Dad's disappearance. It clashes with how I had envisioned the Pathfinder's implant as being physically different from the rest of the team's, rather than just having different software, but it is good.
I don't think Cora will be with us though, perhaps she'll go with DadRyder, and we'll find her unconscious while Dad's gone?
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Post by ravenous on Feb 2, 2017 13:27:33 GMT
I like the theory but I do not like the idea of Cora is the leader before us, and much prefer it that Cora automatically follows us and not the leader before the Ryder kids
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 2, 2017 13:38:41 GMT
I like the theory, but I think it needs more. It sounds like Alec has a special implant that maybe is only be transferable to us, as his child because of biological similarity.
But I think there's more, I think Cora might be injured and temporarily put out of commission, leading us to take charge, and then rejoin us after we've proven our ability to lead.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Feb 2, 2017 13:51:58 GMT
Annnnnd Bioware is kicking themselves for NOT doing this as their tutorial mission. lol Well thought out. I loved it.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Feb 2, 2017 13:59:22 GMT
Of course, it could be interesting to roleplay as if you don't want that leadership as well (if we have that option, that is). I would like to be able to play it like this. Especially with my first Ryder being an engineer (possibly sentinel if the tech armor is sweet enough). Where she's just like, look... I didn't sign up to be a pathfinder, I'm just here to duct tape stuff back together! Liam, you're a cop... why can't you lead? Cora? no? Fine. Cora go left, Liam with me. *grumble grumble* Also wouldn't mind if Cora ordered us around for the first couple of missions and maybe gets us into deep shit and that's how we get promoted b/c we take over mid like 3rd or 4th mission and we lead the team to successful completion when it looked like a dumpster fire.
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Post by fialka on Feb 2, 2017 17:32:08 GMT
Yeah, I'm actually hoping we don't become the Pathfinder until a bit into the game. Sort of like how we don't become the Inquisitor until after Haven, but without all the chosen savior stuff. We're just part of a team, rather than the leader of it. Even if there does end up being some weirdness with SAM and the implant that makes us inherit it over someone else, I'd like to have the opportunity to be like, 'Me, a leader? Responsible for stuff? That's a terrible idea!' With Cora being all 'Yeah, no shit, it should've been me' and Liam being like 'It's cool, let's do this!'
I like the idea of having to prove myself before being given special hero snowflake status.
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Post by dalinne on Feb 2, 2017 23:08:44 GMT
Annnnnd Bioware is kicking themselves for NOT doing this as their tutorial mission. lol Well thought out. I loved it. Well, I'm glad to see even with different theories all of us agree the "YOU ARE SPECIAL" treatment is kinda overused. And I agree with you fialka , maybe we end up like the Pathfinder waaaay later in the game. The problem is we know we have to be the squad leader of missions pretty soon in game. So... what kind of justification they will use?
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