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Post by Catilina on Feb 24, 2017 19:49:13 GMT
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My Bethany's a Grey Warden Hopefully, she finds a way to make the Wardens better. Then you chose the logical way: Hawke don't wanted leave Bethany in Kirkwall. Was hard to find a reason, why Hawke would leave her after the experiences with Kirkwall Circle of Magi, without metaknowledge. It seemed more dangerous than the Deep Roads for a mage. Then I managed to convince myself that Bethany adapts easily and is not looking for trouble... (My first Bethany was Grey Warden.) Nah, I just cared for her a lot and brought her with me everywhere, even if Leandra's "PLEASE don't bring Bethany with you, I beg you!" did set off some warning bells. Fortunately, Anders was there to save her... though I realize that she's not suited for the Grey Warden lifestyle, and she did blame my Hawke for a long time. Still, that's my Bethany. While I like that Circle Mage Bethany comes to terms with her magic in the end, Grey Warden Bethany gave me feels during my first playthrough that I never had with CM Bethany.
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Post by spacetime on Feb 26, 2017 0:25:07 GMT
Marina Hawke: Bethany's a circle mage. Love Bethany. Adela Hawke: Carver's dead. Care very little about Carver, and I wanted a super angsty Hawke.
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Post by Gilsa on Feb 28, 2017 22:45:39 GMT
Canonically, Carver is dead, which is unfortunate as I really liked the guy. I stay true to events/decisions of my first playthroughs because they were honest mistakes and I want to see how those accumulate across time on the same world state. It didn't even occur to me to bring Anders along. I was already a mage, didn't need him in my party. Isabela ran off, too!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 5:50:48 GMT
Templar Carver. Rivalry bloomed, naturally.
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Post by Beregond5 on Mar 8, 2017 10:42:24 GMT
The only two outcomes I haven't played are Bethany dying and Bethany becoming a GW. Yes, I'm guilty of 'forgetting' to bring Anders along to the Deep Roads when I had Carver with me. My canon though is Carver, Templar, Rivalry.
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Post by disgustednoise on Apr 10, 2017 18:57:00 GMT
Warden BethNy is my canon, but I really wish you could have Carver without being a make. I love him so much and Bethany sucks.
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Post by arvaarad on Apr 13, 2017 4:49:26 GMT
My canon Hawke was a rogue. A rogue who found Meredith very intimidating.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 13, 2017 10:44:03 GMT
My canon Hawke was a rogue. A rogue who found Meredith very intimidating. The fate of their sibling is not available in this poll. Hmm? So, then what was their fate? (Modded siblings, Sophie's Choice?)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 11:59:59 GMT
My canon Hawke was a rogue. A rogue who found Meredith very intimidating. The fate of their sibling is not available in this poll. YOU GODDAMN MONSTER, DID YOU KİLL BETHANY
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Post by Catilina on Apr 13, 2017 12:21:02 GMT
My canon Hawke was a rogue. A rogue who found Meredith very intimidating. The fate of their sibling is not available in this poll. YOU GODDAMN MONSTER, DID YOU KİLL BETHANY Or freed Bethany... after the chantry explosion, Bethany don't Circle Mage anymore, she is dead or "apostate"/free mage again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 12:46:42 GMT
YOU GODDAMN MONSTER, DID YOU KİLL BETHANY Or freed Bethany... after the chantry explosion, Bethany don't Circle Mage anymore, she is dead or "apostate"/free mage again. It still counts as Circle mage
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Post by Catilina on Apr 13, 2017 12:52:03 GMT
Or freed Bethany... after the chantry explosion, Bethany don't Circle Mage anymore, she is dead or "apostate"/free mage again. It still counts as Circle mage She's not. Because she refused the Circle system at the end.
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Post by arvaarad on Apr 13, 2017 12:52:04 GMT
My canon Hawke was a rogue. A rogue who found Meredith very intimidating. The fate of their sibling is not available in this poll. YOU GODDAMN MONSTER, DID YOU KİLL BETHANY Look, it made sense in Hawke's head. Everything happened so quickly! One day they're sucking up to the templars, desperate to stay on their good side for Bethany's sake. The next, Meredith is barking orders and that feeling of helplessness floods in. With that Hawke, I wanted to RP a genuine brain glitch, where you do exactly the thing you most fear, and you aren't sure why. Like if someone spends their whole life deathly afraid of car accidents, then the first day they drive they feel an uncontrollable urge to swerve to the other side of the road. To resolve the all-consuming dread, but in the worst way possible. I did the playthrough before DA:I came out, but it fit so perfectly. Hawke immediately understood what Nightmare represented.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 13, 2017 12:54:31 GMT
YOU GODDAMN MONSTER, DID YOU KİLL BETHANY Look, it made sense in Hawke's head. Everything happened so quickly! One day they're sucking up to the templars, desperate to stay on their good side for Bethany's sake. The next, Meredith is barking orders and that feeling of helplessness floods in. With that Hawke, I wanted to RP a genuine brain glitch, where you do exactly the thing you most fear, and you aren't sure why. Like if someone spends their whole life deathly afraid of car accidents, then the first day they drive they feel an uncontrollable urge to swerve to the other side of the road. To resolve the all-consuming dread, but in the worst way possible. I did the playthrough before DA:I came out, but it fit so perfectly. Hawke immediately understood what Nightmare represented. Supporting the Templars for Bethany's sake? She hated the Circles... Hawke compromise with the dark side to protect her, but killing her? Why? But yes, this Hawke have the reasons of the suicide tendency, undoubtedly.
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Post by arvaarad on Apr 13, 2017 13:31:39 GMT
Look, it made sense in Hawke's head. Everything happened so quickly! One day they're sucking up to the templars, desperate to stay on their good side for Bethany's sake. The next, Meredith is barking orders and that feeling of helplessness floods in. With that Hawke, I wanted to RP a genuine brain glitch, where you do exactly the thing you most fear, and you aren't sure why. Like if someone spends their whole life deathly afraid of car accidents, then the first day they drive they feel an uncontrollable urge to swerve to the other side of the road. To resolve the all-consuming dread, but in the worst way possible. I did the playthrough before DA:I came out, but it fit so perfectly. Hawke immediately understood what Nightmare represented. Supporting the Templars for Bethany's sake? She hated the Circles... Supporting the templars to keep them from retaliating against Bethany. I always like to remind myself that Hawke doesn't know they're a main character. As far as Hawke knows, there's a whole host of ways the templars could destroy Bethany's life if they're angry at the Hawkes, and no guarantee that Hawke could defeat them. Even in the final battle, Hawke has no guarantee that both of them will survive if they oppose the templars. The Rite of Annulment is supposed to be backed with overwhelming force, so the templars are likelier to win. In-universe, Hawke doesn't know that whoever they support will prevail. Much better to play nice with the templars in hope that they'll grant an exception for Bethany, than oppose them and hope for the "miracle" of spending the rest of their lives on the run (with death being the much more likely result).
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Post by Catilina on Apr 13, 2017 13:46:41 GMT
Supporting the Templars for Bethany's sake? She hated the Circles... Supporting the templars to keep them from retaliating against Bethany. I always like to remind myself that Hawke doesn't know they're a main character. As far as Hawke knows, there's a whole host of ways the templars could destroy Bethany's life if they're angry at the Hawkes, and no guarantee that Hawke could defeat them. Even in the final battle, Hawke has no guarantee that both of them will survive if they oppose the templars. The Rite of Annulment is supposed to be backed with overwhelming force, so the templars are likelier to win. In-universe, Hawke doesn't know that whoever they support will prevail. Much better to play nice with the templars in hope that they'll grant an exception for Bethany, than oppose them and hope for the "miracle" of spending the rest of their lives on the run (with death being the much more likely result). Meredith's lunatic and unpredictable, this is clear from Karl's fate (and even Cullen say suspicious things about her, if Hawke speak with him). She does, what she wants, no one can stop her, and no one wants to stop her. The flattery does not help. To trust in a lunatic's benevolence/promise is a fool thing. At the end, at Gallows, Bethany glad, if Hawke supports her fellow mages. What she want is no matter? "You do not know what's good for you, but I know?" Hawke can help Templars, if really needs (s/he help Cullen to stop Tarohone... etc, a bunch of quest), without betraying Bethany. But why Hawke need to support them? And okay, Hawke can lick Templars' asses, this could be a strategy, but why kills Bethany at Gallows? And why support Templars against his/her sister? At the end its clear: Bethany will support her fellow mages?
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Post by arvaarad on Apr 13, 2017 14:27:43 GMT
Supporting the templars to keep them from retaliating against Bethany. I always like to remind myself that Hawke doesn't know they're a main character. As far as Hawke knows, there's a whole host of ways the templars could destroy Bethany's life if they're angry at the Hawkes, and no guarantee that Hawke could defeat them. Even in the final battle, Hawke has no guarantee that both of them will survive if they oppose the templars. The Rite of Annulment is supposed to be backed with overwhelming force, so the templars are likelier to win. In-universe, Hawke doesn't know that whoever they support will prevail. Much better to play nice with the templars in hope that they'll grant an exception for Bethany, than oppose them and hope for the "miracle" of spending the rest of their lives on the run (with death being the much more likely result). Meredith's lunatic and unpredictable, this is clear from Karl's fate (and even Cullen say suspicious things about her, if Hawke speak with him). She does, what she wants, no one can stop her, and no one wants to stop her. The flattery does not help. To trust in a lunatic's benevolence/promise is a fool thing. At the end, at Gallows, Bethany glad, if Hawke supports her fellow mages. What she want is no matter? "You do not know what's good for you, but I know?" Hawke can help Templars, if really needs (s/he help Cullen to stop Tarohone... etc, a bunch of quest), without betraying Bethany. But why Hawke need to support them? And okay, Hawke can lick Templars' asses, this could be a strategy, but why kills Bethany at Gallows? And why support Templars against his/her sister? At the end its clear: Bethany will support her fellow mages? Yes, that was the point. Throughout the game, Hawke was WAY too over-protective of Bethany, repeatedly denying Bethany's agency in favor of what Hawke thought was best. In some ways, Bethany's death was a culmination of all that. Hawke was so invested in the idea of protecting Bethany, that they utterly failed to actually protect her. Obviously that protectiveness wasn't coming from a healthy place of love. It's possible it had become an ego thing. Something like "I'm so powerful I can protect my sister from any harm." Then when Meredith raised the threat of taking that power from Hawke, Hawke tried to maintain that feeling of control by killing Bethany before Meredith could. The irony was that Meredith would have let Bethany live, if Hawke had said "no". So ultimately Hawke's ego-trip was a sham - Hawke had let Bethany die when she could have been saved. Hawke was not behaving in a healthy manner, and that was a defining trait of that Hawke's character arc.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 13, 2017 14:33:01 GMT
Meredith's lunatic and unpredictable, this is clear from Karl's fate (and even Cullen say suspicious things about her, if Hawke speak with him). She does, what she wants, no one can stop her, and no one wants to stop her. The flattery does not help. To trust in a lunatic's benevolence/promise is a fool thing. At the end, at Gallows, Bethany glad, if Hawke supports her fellow mages. What she want is no matter? "You do not know what's good for you, but I know?" Hawke can help Templars, if really needs (s/he help Cullen to stop Tarohone... etc, a bunch of quest), without betraying Bethany. But why Hawke need to support them?
And okay, Hawke can lick Templars' asses, this could be a strategy, but why kills Bethany at Gallows? And why support Templars against his/her sister? At the end its clear: Bethany will support her fellow mages? Yes, that was the point. Throughout the game, Hawke was WAY too over-protective of Bethany, repeatedly denying Bethany's agency in favor of what Hawke thought was best. In some ways, Bethany's death was a culmination of all that. Hawke was so invested in the idea of protecting Bethany, that they utterly failed to actually protect her. Obviously that protectiveness wasn't coming from a healthy place of love. It's possible it had become an ego thing. Something like "I'm so powerful I can protect my sister from any harm." Then when Meredith raised the threat of taking that power from Hawke, Hawke tried to maintain that feeling of control by killing Bethany before Meredith could. The irony was that Meredith would have let Bethany live, if Hawke had said "no". So ultimately Hawke's ego-trip was a sham - Hawke had let Bethany die when she could have been saved. Hawke was not behaving in a healthy manner, and that was a defining trait of that Hawke's character arc. Okay, finally I got it: a crazed Hawke. Nice idea  Totally fit Kirkwall's madness, and can explain why s/he wants to sacrifice him/herself in the Fade. How tragic story!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 17:20:39 GMT
YOU GODDAMN MONSTER, DID YOU KİLL BETHANY Look, it made sense in Hawke's head. Everything happened so quickly! One day they're sucking up to the templars, desperate to stay on their good side for Bethany's sake. The next, Meredith is barking orders and that feeling of helplessness floods in. With that Hawke, I wanted to RP a genuine brain glitch, where you do exactly the thing you most fear, and you aren't sure why. Like if someone spends their whole life deathly afraid of car accidents, then the first day they drive they feel an uncontrollable urge to swerve to the other side of the road. To resolve the all-consuming dread, but in the worst way possible. I did the playthrough before DA:I came out, but it fit so perfectly. Hawke immediately understood what Nightmare represented. This is no excuse, I order this mans execution immediately, his skull will decorate the gate of Skyhold
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Post by arvaarad on Apr 13, 2017 18:57:14 GMT
Look, it made sense in Hawke's head. Everything happened so quickly! One day they're sucking up to the templars, desperate to stay on their good side for Bethany's sake. The next, Meredith is barking orders and that feeling of helplessness floods in. With that Hawke, I wanted to RP a genuine brain glitch, where you do exactly the thing you most fear, and you aren't sure why. Like if someone spends their whole life deathly afraid of car accidents, then the first day they drive they feel an uncontrollable urge to swerve to the other side of the road. To resolve the all-consuming dread, but in the worst way possible. I did the playthrough before DA:I came out, but it fit so perfectly. Hawke immediately understood what Nightmare represented. This is no excuse, I order this mans execution immediately, his skull will decorate the gate of Skyhold If it makes you feel better, all of my Inquisitors leave Hawke in the Fade. My canon Hawke's story was all about being obsessed and consumed by their greatest fear. I love that Hawke gets to go out fighting not just Corypheus, but the Nightmare itself. That unhealthy desire to remove the fear, rather than managing it, was exactly what Hawke struggled with back in Kirkwall. Hawke lost that struggle the first time, but now they can fight face to face. Plus Loghain is my Warden's best bro and I will keep that man alive as long as I possibly can.  Doesn't matter what the Inquisitor's personality is, they all agree on this one thing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 20:33:50 GMT
This is no excuse, I order this mans execution immediately, his skull will decorate the gate of Skyhold If it makes you feel better, all of my Inquisitors leave Hawke in the Fade. My canon Hawke's story was all about being obsessed and consumed by their greatest fear. I love that Hawke gets to go out fighting not just Corypheus, but the Nightmare itself. That unhealthy desire to remove the fear, rather than managing it, was exactly what Hawke struggled with back in Kirkwall. Hawke lost that struggle the first time, but now they can fight face to face. Plus Loghain is my Warden's best bro and I will keep that man alive as long as I possibly can.  Doesn't matter what the Inquisitor's personality is, they all agree on this one thing. Hey I like Loghain too, and in one of my world states I saved Loghain too. It is not nearly as monsterous as killing Bethany
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Post by Catilina on Apr 13, 2017 20:46:03 GMT
If it makes you feel better, all of my Inquisitors leave Hawke in the Fade. My canon Hawke's story was all about being obsessed and consumed by their greatest fear. I love that Hawke gets to go out fighting not just Corypheus, but the Nightmare itself. That unhealthy desire to remove the fear, rather than managing it, was exactly what Hawke struggled with back in Kirkwall. Hawke lost that struggle the first time, but now they can fight face to face. Plus Loghain is my Warden's best bro and I will keep that man alive as long as I possibly can. Doesn't matter what the Inquisitor's personality is, they all agree on this one thing. Hey I like Loghain too, and in one of my world states I saved Loghain too. It is not nearly as monsterous as killing Bethany This monstrous and crazy act makes Hawke's sacrifice sense. True, this worse than return back Fenris to Danarius, or to crush Anders and to force to support the Templars, or allowed Arishok to take Isabela...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 21:18:16 GMT
Hey I like Loghain too, and in one of my world states I saved Loghain too. It is not nearly as monsterous as killing Bethany This monstrous and crazy act makes Hawke's sacrifice sense. True, this worse than return back Fenris to Danarius, or to crush Anders and to force to support the Templars, or allowed Arishok to take Isabela... I didn't say it doesn't make sense, I said it is a horrible and evil thing to the. I mean I have an evil world state that I did most terrible things but Bethany is still alive in it
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