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Post by arvaarad on Apr 13, 2017 23:50:00 GMT
This monstrous and crazy act makes Hawke's sacrifice sense. True, this worse than return back Fenris to Danarius, or to crush Anders and to force to support the Templars, or allowed Arishok to take Isabela... I didn't say it doesn't make sense, I said it is a horrible and evil thing to the. I mean I have an evil world state that I did most terrible things but Bethany is still alive in it But yeah other than turning on Alistair and killing Bethany my PCs are good and noble people! *quietly hides a sentinel-killing Lavellan, a dreadnought-saving Adaar, and a Connor-betraying, Wynne-killing Surana in the cupboard* *Imshael whispers "almost all your Inquisitors took my deal"* *shoves him into the cupboard too*
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Post by raikas on Apr 20, 2017 0:28:31 GMT
Yes, that was the point. Throughout the game, Hawke was WAY too over-protective of Bethany, repeatedly denying Bethany's agency in favor of what Hawke thought was best. In some ways, Bethany's death was a culmination of all that. Hawke was so invested in the idea of protecting Bethany, that they utterly failed to actually protect her. That's such a solid rationalization for that choice - it makes perfect sense (and fits with the general "everything goes wrong"-ness of Kirkwall in general). I think that's the only sibling option I didn't end up playing through, so it's interesting to hear more about it. Answering the original question, I don't usually think of myself as having a canon version of any of the characters since I've done 9 unique runthroughs and I didn't originally particular favour any of them (although maybe I have a slight preference for templar Carver). But then given Hawke's warden-related plotline in DAI I feel like it makes the most sense for whichever sibling to be with the wardens (and probably romancing Anders, for the same reason).
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Post by talyn82 on Apr 20, 2017 15:07:15 GMT
I haven't read this thread I just read the title to avoid spoilers, and assume it's about Carver and Bethany's fate? In my first and current playthrough, Bethany was taken away from me by the Grey Wardens. I liked her she sometimes had her sarcastic moments like Hawke, and she was extremely powerful as an elemental mage. I did get to see her during the Qunari siege though, but she was in a hurry to talk.
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Post by Abraxas on May 5, 2017 23:36:49 GMT
My canon brother is Carver, because my canon Hawke is a mage. I prefer a Carver Warden because his character development (he becomes someone who isn't blaming Hawke for everything bad that happened in his life).
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Post by Catilina on May 5, 2017 23:48:16 GMT
My canon brother is Carver, because my canon Hawke is a mage. I prefer a Carver Warden because his character development (he becomes someone who isn't blaming Hawke for everything bad that happened in his life). This not really true (maybe at the end). There is a moment when he blames Hawke because he became Warden. But true, Carver more satisfied with this fate. Templar Carver disappointed. I see more logical to leave him at home (to keep him safe, and mother happy), and there is a chance to him to step out of his brother/sister's shadow. Templar way is his own wrong way, to become Warden is an accident but right way. (Now I want to start a new game with Warden Carver. It's hard, because Templar Carver too fun.)
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Post by Abraxas on May 6, 2017 1:38:48 GMT
Well, Carver GW was non-intentional on my part. It only happened. I allowed him to come with Hawke because it was his brother. And Anders ended up in my group because he was a healer (and one of my favorites in Awakening... they ruined Anders for me in DAII). In the end, Carver ended up as a Grey Warden, and I believed in that moment that was the natural progression of the game (as, in Varric's exaggerated prologue, he was a Grey Warden). So, at the moment was normal for me.
It was a few days later, thanks to Youtube, that I learned about the different fates of Hawke's siblings.
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Post by Catilina on May 6, 2017 10:14:44 GMT
Well, Carver GW was non-intentional on my part. It only happened. I allowed him to come with Hawke because it was his brother. And Anders ended up in my group because he was a healer (and one of my favorites in Awakening... they ruined Anders for me in DAII). In the end, Carver ended up as a Grey Warden, and I believed in that moment that was the natural progression of the game (as, in Varric's exaggerated prologue, he was a Grey Warden). So, at the moment was normal for me. It was a few days later, thanks to Youtube, that I learned about the different fates of Hawke's siblings. Just as when I "killed" him, because Anders doesn't like the Deep roads...  The Grey Warden fate better to him, he feels himself important, as Templar he disappointed (he wrote in his letter, and later, in Legacy, seems, he's not that satisfied with his choice, but maybe it's just me). (I think Anders/Justice better than Anders, but your opinion much more popular. So many people sad, because Justice "spoiled" Anders, I think, he strengthened him and give purposes and different perspective to him.)
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Post by crazydiamondp4 on May 19, 2017 3:03:10 GMT
Carver and Bethany both Wardens, either that or I have them die in my playthrough depending on what my Hawke is like.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 22, 2017 20:05:06 GMT
Carver (I was Mage), Grey Warden (by design), Friendship (or at least close). I'll play again and try for full Friendship.
I like that story. I'm an only child, though with cousin-'siblings', and part of me hankers for that sort of relationship. Where we don't get along, are confused we're even supposed to be kin, but we are and we both (initially perhaps by my hopes and actions) come to shared respect, affection, and protection.
I'm open to any of the results for future playthroughs though. I especially am interested in a 'Hawke's Life Sucks' playthrough.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 22, 2017 22:10:52 GMT
Carver (I was Mage), Grey Warden (by design), Friendship (or at least close). I'll play again and try for full Friendship. I like that story. I'm an only child, though with cousin-'siblings', and part of me hankers for that sort of relationship. Where we don't get along, are confused we're even supposed to be kin, but we are and we both (initially perhaps by my hopes and actions) come to shared respect, affection, and protection. I'm open to any of the results for future playthroughs though. I especially am interested in a 'Hawke's Life Sucks' playthrough. How can you build a friendship with Carver? He so funny as rival! (And really hard to befriend with him.)
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Post by tacsear on Jun 22, 2017 22:20:09 GMT
Carver (I was Mage), Grey Warden (by design), Friendship (or at least close). I'll play again and try for full Friendship. I like that story. I'm an only child, though with cousin-'siblings', and part of me hankers for that sort of relationship. Where we don't get along, are confused we're even supposed to be kin, but we are and we both (initially perhaps by my hopes and actions) come to shared respect, affection, and protection. I'm open to any of the results for future playthroughs though. I especially am interested in a 'Hawke's Life Sucks' playthrough. How can you build a friendship with Carver? He so funny as rival! (And really hard to befriend with him.) Console commands
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Post by Catilina on Jun 22, 2017 22:28:00 GMT
How can you build a friendship with Carver? He so funny as rival! (And really hard to befriend with him.) Console commands I'm sure, there is another possibility... perhaps I need to try again. This would be a real challenge, Fenris with radical pro-mage a joke compared with Carver.
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Post by tacsear on Jun 22, 2017 22:36:49 GMT
I'm sure, there is another possibility... perhaps I need to try again. This would be a real challenge, Fenris with radical pro-mage a joke compared with Carver. Carver is very prideful and takes value in proving his worth to his family and comrades. Aggressive behavior impresses Carver, he is also a pro-Chantry supporter and supporting the Chantry's actions impresses Carver. Carver despises being inferior to his sibling, as such selecting dialogue that makes Hawke "selfless" makes him dislike Hawke (with the sole exception of family matters). He also does not approve of pro-mage options that try to be merciful to mages, or options that would turn the templars' eyes towards them. This is what's on wikia, console commands seem easier though
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Post by Catilina on Jun 22, 2017 23:34:54 GMT
I'm sure, there is another possibility... perhaps I need to try again. This would be a real challenge, Fenris with radical pro-mage a joke compared with Carver. Carver is very prideful and takes value in proving his worth to his family and comrades. Aggressive behavior impresses Carver, he is also a pro-Chantry supporter and supporting the Chantry's actions impresses Carver. Carver despises being inferior to his sibling, as such selecting dialogue that makes Hawke "selfless" makes him dislike Hawke (with the sole exception of family matters). He also does not approve of pro-mage options that try to be merciful to mages, or options that would turn the templars' eyes towards them. This is what's on wikia, console commands seem easier though Yes, I know, he and Fenris like the direct/aggressive answers. But my red Hawke and Carver just pretty good as rivals. Sadly, I just so much like to play a noble, provocative prick. Too funny to miss it. I don't know, only once I had Warden Carver, there is difference between friendship and rivalry path? But with Fenris, I changed my mind: Fenris so much admires him, I think not too late to switch to build a friendship with him: this weird friendship will be pretty.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 23, 2017 7:21:29 GMT
Carver (I was Mage), Grey Warden (by design), Friendship (or at least close). I'll play again and try for full Friendship. I like that story. I'm an only child, though with cousin-'siblings', and part of me hankers for that sort of relationship. Where we don't get along, are confused we're even supposed to be kin, but we are and we both (initially perhaps by my hopes and actions) come to shared respect, affection, and protection. I'm open to any of the results for future playthroughs though. I especially am interested in a 'Hawke's Life Sucks' playthrough. How can you build a friendship with Carver? He so funny as rival! (And really hard to befriend with him.) I don't get too magey (not hard, because aggressive statements are not what I opt for in my maincanons) and I offer the olive branch at opportune times, while aggressive when I know he needs a smacking. I took him everywhere while I had him and afforded him chances to speak and act. I guess I can read that 'sort'. Its been years though so I don't totally recall what I did.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jun 24, 2017 8:37:21 GMT
I love Warden Carver. It would be interesting to see him as a Templar, but painful for Hawke, perhaps. I've only ever seen Circle Bethany, but it would be interesting to see her as a Warden.
I was spoilered on how to keep them alive from the start, so I've never had them die in the Deep Roads and can't say I'd want to.
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Post by Pokemario on Jun 24, 2017 21:33:23 GMT
Has anyone ever tried Rivalry with Bethany? I found this video some time ago and it was hilarious!
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Post by Catilina on Jun 24, 2017 21:44:29 GMT
Has anyone ever tried Rivalry with Bethany? I found this video some time ago and it was hilarious! Probably with an evil Templar Hawke. It's not that impossible, someone let Meredith kill her... to be honest many people find her boring.
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Post by XJlock on Aug 5, 2017 3:43:41 GMT
Carver became a templar behind my Hawke's back.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 8, 2017 18:22:36 GMT
Carver became a templar behind my Hawke's back. Yes, he's a little bastard, and stupidly naive at the beginning, but he has reasons to do it (beyond that he wants to leave the shadow of his brother/sister): Aveline prevented his joining to the City Guards, his brother/sister leave him at home, and he doesn't like to be smuggler/sellsword, as I see. I think he wanted to be useful. Later he disillusioned (Act2, family letter). He not happy with his decision as Templar. (But I like it, this is his decision, not an accident.)
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Post by XJlock on Aug 9, 2017 0:32:34 GMT
Carver became a templar behind my Hawke's back. Yes, he's a little bastard, and stupidly naive at the beginning, but he has reasons to do it (beyond that he wants to leave the shadow of his brother/sister): Aveline prevented his joining to the City Guards, his brother/sister leave him at home, and he doesn't like to be smuggler/sellsword, as I see. I think he wanted to be useful. Later he disillusioned (Act2, family letter). He not happy with his decision as Templar. (But I like it, this is his decision, not an accident.) At the end of the day, he showed that family is where his true loyalty lay when came the time to do battle with Meredith, so I will give him that in spite of his previous offenses.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 9, 2017 9:02:33 GMT
Yes, he's a little bastard, and stupidly naive at the beginning, but he has reasons to do it (beyond that he wants to leave the shadow of his brother/sister): Aveline prevented his joining to the City Guards, his brother/sister leave him at home, and he doesn't like to be smuggler/sellsword, as I see. I think he wanted to be useful. Later he disillusioned (Act2, family letter). He not happy with his decision as Templar. (But I like it, this is his decision, not an accident.) At the end of the day, he showed that family is where his true loyalty lay when came the time to do battle with Meredith, so I will give him that in spite of his previous offenses. He was always loyal to family, not only at the end, if you take him everywhere, you can see. He constantly concerns about the Templars, because of Hawke, but Hawke mostly shits on his head... Of course, Carver wrote to the rivalry, sadly no much sense if Hawke is a nice-goody sister.
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Post by cribbian on Oct 13, 2017 10:49:06 GMT
In my canon: Bethany as a circle mage In my "second canon": Carver as a templar.
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Post by pavellaning on Jun 17, 2018 15:43:46 GMT
My canon has Carver as a Templar, and my Mage Hawke took it surprisingly well. She is at the point where she doesn't give a damn anymore.
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gw carver.
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