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Post by Duelist on Jun 26, 2018 11:53:27 GMT
Duelist I'm trying to pick up Rein myself now, and so far in QP I'm having a blast as long as we have decent healers on the team! I'm still working on my positioning, and learning when to drop the shield to try and beat away enemies from my supports, but I really like him and feel I can accomplish things with him. Biggest mistake I see newbies to Rein make is not swinging the hammer. Your team mates and shield are the means for you to get in range to start going upside people's heads. The hammer creates space for your DPS to do work, the shield allows them to open up space for you to move forward.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jun 26, 2018 14:06:32 GMT
Duelist I'm trying to pick up Rein myself now, and so far in QP I'm having a blast as long as we have decent healers on the team! I'm still working on my positioning, and learning when to drop the shield to try and beat away enemies from my supports, but I really like him and feel I can accomplish things with him. Biggest mistake I see newbies to Rein make is not swinging the hammer. Your team mates and shield are the means for you to get in range to start going upside people's heads. The hammer creates space for your DPS to do work, the shield allows them to open up space for you to move forward. I should have you watch one of my games so you could hurl abuse at my atrocious way of playing him! Hopefully I will learn with practice, sadly I don't get to play him as much as I want as I demand at least one good healer on my team to pick him at all...
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jun 26, 2018 23:09:47 GMT
I don't think this new Symmetra is for me sadly... her turrets do feel better to place, but for me that's the only thing I like about the rework. I miss her weapon so much, and I think they've made her quite a bit more frustrating to play against. With each rework I feel less and less inclined to play...
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Post by smilesja on Jun 27, 2018 15:43:36 GMT
I don't think this new Symmetra is for me sadly... her turrets do feel better to place, but for me that's the only thing I like about the rework. I miss her weapon so much, and I think they've made her quite a bit more frustrating to play against. With each rework I feel less and less inclined to play... You’re always sad! new symettra is op.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jun 27, 2018 16:09:32 GMT
You’re always sad! new symettra is op. Awww, pretty happy right now after Sweden secured the group win in the soccer WC. I've just been a bit unlucky that two of my favorite heroes were reworked to such an extent. My mechanical skill really isn't that great, so Symmetra was really nice for me because I could focus on other aspects like game-sense instead. Besides, I know she will be nerfed to oblivion eventually...
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Post by Duelist on Jun 28, 2018 5:30:12 GMT
Sym is in a weird spot. I suspect once people figure out how to play against her, she'll be pretty easy to deal with but at the moment picking a utility character like her carries the same drawbacks as picking any other utility character (Mei for instance) and I'm not sure her kit offers enough utility to offset the damage that'll be lacking with Sym in your team.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 28, 2018 19:58:54 GMT
So there is a hamster named Hammond who drives a vehicle. Somebody at Blizzard was a fan of Top Gear. 😆
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jun 28, 2018 22:37:14 GMT
So there is a hamster named Hammond who drives a vehicle. Somebody at Blizzard was a fan of Top Gear. 😆 And now I will forever refer to the mech as "Oliver".
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Jun 29, 2018 7:01:08 GMT
Not sure if Blizzard jumped the shark with this one... Well there is the issue of the gorilla scientist in the game and Hammond was teased ever since the introduction of the Horizon Lunar Colony map. This one more out of left field than even Orisa (see this)... As for the gameplay, that thing seems really wild, I guess we will have to see how Korean pros will use this one, IF they will use.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jul 2, 2018 0:17:07 GMT
I like how people blame Mercy for the current meta when fact is that Hanzo shreds dive tanks to the point of it being absolutely ridiculous and also gets a team-wipe served to him every time Zarya presses Q.
But yeah, it's all Mercy's fault. I would play the other healers more if they weren't recently and unnecessarily nerfed (*cough* Moira cough*) or completely unviable (*cough* Ana *cough*).
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Post by Duelist on Jul 2, 2018 10:11:16 GMT
Support heroes in general are too strong at the moment which is especially annoying since they pretty much dictate the meta.
Mercy is bearing the brunt of people's ire in part because Brigitte's mere existence is enough to scare off the Dive comps that would give her hell and she synergizes so well with double sniper, which is meta right now. Hanzo, while busted, is kind of a necessary evil to punch through Mercy's healing and take advantage of Grav.
People complained about Dive comps being oppressive but it took a lot more coordination to pull it off properly than it does to swap to Brigitte and ruin a dive completely.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jul 2, 2018 11:16:02 GMT
Personally I think once Hanzo is fixed we will see more dive tanks again (seriously, his Storm Arrow triggers me so much when I play tank), but we'll only see more Ana or Moira if they fix them. I don't know what they did to Moira exactly, but I constantly run out of heal-juice despite doing about the same damage as always. And seeing people try to run Ana as a solo-healer is just sad, they would probably have more luck running another dps instead.
With Mercy they should just revert her at this point, it's obvious they can't really balance her the way she is now despite having many of the same abilities/stats that she had when she wasn't considered meta at all.
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Post by Duelist on Jul 2, 2018 12:57:29 GMT
Brigitte's entire kit fucks Dive a lot harder than Hanzo does by simple virtue of being able to force Winston and the DPS heroes into a brawl, Mercy just helps drag that brawl out even more which Dive comps don't want. Hanzo on his own is still a fairly easy kill for a decent Winston and child's play for the Winston/D.Va combo. On maps where there's lots of high ground to abuse like Gibraltar and Numbani, Dive is still good though.
Ana, sadly, might be a lost cause at this point and in all honesty I'm kinda glad since she slows the game down when she's prominent. Moira can still do a shitload of healing but Mercy and Zenyatta just offer a lot more utility.
Reverting Mercy might well be the way to go at this point but I'm torn between hoping she stays this way out of spite and changing her back.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jul 2, 2018 20:02:09 GMT
I have decided that I'm a Rein main. Of course if the theorized triple dive tank meta becomes a thing, I won't be able to play him. lol
I easily have the most fun playing as Reinhardt.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jul 2, 2018 20:25:44 GMT
I have decided that I'm a Rein main. Of course if the theorized triple dive tank meta becomes a thing, I won't be able to play him. lol I easily have the most fun playing as Reinhardt. He is a lot of fun, isn't he? At least as long as the healing is decent, when all healers switch to dps playing him becomes a nightmare! But man, I think there's no other person than I worse at Earthshatter - I just can't seem to get it right. And the weirdest things seem to block it, like a bush by a wall or something like that. After like 10 attempts I finally had a really good one today, helped us win the point... and PotG went to Hanzo. In fairness his play was really good too, a shame he ruined it by emoting and getting killed by a Road Hog at the end. xD
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jul 2, 2018 20:37:28 GMT
I have decided that I'm a Rein main. Of course if the theorized triple dive tank meta becomes a thing, I won't be able to play him. lol I easily have the most fun playing as Reinhardt. He is a lot of fun, isn't he? At least as long as the healing is decent, when all healers switch to dps playing him becomes a nightmare! But man, I think there's no other person than I worse at Earthshatter - I just can't seem to get it right. And the weirdest things seem to block it, like a bush by a wall or something like that. After like 10 attempts I finally had a really good one today, helped us win the point... and PotG went to Hanzo. In fairness his play was really good too, a shame he ruined it by emoting and getting killed by a Road Hog at the end. xD Heck yeah he is! Playing him is by far the most fun I've had playing the game. Nothing like swinging that giant hammer and smashing the enemies around haha. And when you get a good charge that splats a squishy... so satisfying! But yes, his earth shatter is by far the hardest thing to use and time. I've gotten better with it though as the last couple days I've gotten a quad kill and a 5 enemy kill using shatter into charge into hammer swinging. Got a POTG out of it too. I've saved one of the POTGs, I'll share it, if I can figure out how, when I get home. haha I've noticed that big shields like Rein's, Orisa's, Winstons, will block the shatter, but Brig's will not (maybe it does if she's looking straight at you, I'm not sure, but every time I've used it on a team that had a brig with shield up, she still went down). So I like to lower my shield, throw the fire, and a couple of strafes a couple times to make them think that's all I lower my shield for. Then as soon as Rein lowers his to throw fire back... I shatter. One big thing not to do is to try to use it save yourself just before death. DON'T! lol ... you'll just lose the ult and die. I've tried this way too many times and it almost always results in failure.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jul 3, 2018 16:15:23 GMT
So Graviton + Dragonstrike is an issue, and Blizzard solves this by randomly nerfing Mercy's damage boost so it can't buff Hanzo's ult?! What are they doing, they can't just randomly change that, it's not consistent with how her boost works for every other ult! What will they do when Hanzo one day isn't in the meta? "Too bad, but because you used to be leading a meta Mercy can't help your ult anymore"???
What next, Zen can't discord someone standing in the middle of a Dragonstrike? Ana can't nade anyone in a Graviton? Blizzard you fucked up the supports and Hanzo, now actually fix them instead of doing these stupid band-aid nerfs that do not make any sense!
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Jul 4, 2018 14:40:51 GMT
So Graviton + Dragonstrike is an issue, and Blizzard solves this by randomly nerfing Mercy's damage boost so it can't buff Hanzo's ult?! What are they doing, they can't just randomly change that, it's not consistent with how her boost works for every other ult! What will they do when Hanzo one day isn't in the meta? "Too bad, but because you used to be leading a meta Mercy can't help your ult anymore"??? What next, Zen can't discord someone standing in the middle of a Dragonstrike? Ana can't nade anyone in a Graviton? Blizzard you fucked up the supports and Hanzo, now actually fix them instead of doing these stupid band-aid nerfs that do not make any sense! It was pretty broken. Teamfights in GM basically consist of "Hope you have Transcendence for grav and really hope the enemy Mercy is too dumb to damage boost Hanzo." I still think Hanzo himself is OP and needs more balancing but Mercy is also overtuned. This was a step in the right direction for the health of the game.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jul 4, 2018 17:00:25 GMT
So Graviton + Dragonstrike is an issue, and Blizzard solves this by randomly nerfing Mercy's damage boost so it can't buff Hanzo's ult?! What are they doing, they can't just randomly change that, it's not consistent with how her boost works for every other ult! What will they do when Hanzo one day isn't in the meta? "Too bad, but because you used to be leading a meta Mercy can't help your ult anymore"??? What next, Zen can't discord someone standing in the middle of a Dragonstrike? Ana can't nade anyone in a Graviton? Blizzard you fucked up the supports and Hanzo, now actually fix them instead of doing these stupid band-aid nerfs that do not make any sense! It was pretty broken. Teamfights in GM basically consist of "Hope you have Transcendence for grav and really hope the enemy Mercy is too dumb to damage boost Hanzo." I still think Hanzo himself is OP and needs more balancing but Mercy is also overtuned. This was a step in the right direction for the health of the game. I'm not saying it's not broken, I'm saying they are going at it the wrong way. This is just an arbitrary change that will punish Hanzo and Mercy the day one (or both) are not meta. They screwed up Mercy's rework, and to an extent also Hanzo, and they need to acknowledge this and actually try to make it right. Hanzo can probably be fixed by changing the numbers around a bit, but Mercy desperately needs an overhaul (either another rework or a semi-revert).
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