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Post by Daft Arbiter on Jul 5, 2018 2:51:03 GMT
It was pretty broken. Teamfights in GM basically consist of "Hope you have Transcendence for grav and really hope the enemy Mercy is too dumb to damage boost Hanzo." I still think Hanzo himself is OP and needs more balancing but Mercy is also overtuned. This was a step in the right direction for the health of the game. I'm not saying it's not broken, I'm saying they are going at it the wrong way. This is just an arbitrary change that will punish Hanzo and Mercy the day one (or both) are not meta. They screwed up Mercy's rework, and to an extent also Hanzo, and they need to acknowledge this and actually try to make it right. Hanzo can probably be fixed by changing the numbers around a bit, but Mercy desperately needs an overhaul (either another rework or a semi-revert). I don't think Mercy should have ever been reworked. The only thing wrong with Mercy pre-rework was that she had too many invincibility frames after Rez which allowed to her fly in, Rez the team and then fly out. Being able to instantly undo a pick is huge. Putting that on a cooldown is just a bad idea. It took the risk out of formerly risky hero picks like Hanzo and Widow. The main reason Hanzo/Zarya is an issue now and wasn't an issue before is that Dive would obliterate Zarya/Hanzo comps, and Pharah pasted most Zarya/Hanzo teams too. Due to Hanzo's better damage output, arrow velocity and mobility, diving him is way harder than it used to be. You can't always run dive vs Hanzo now, and Pharah isn't as effective either. I agree that it's not really the right nerf, but I'd rather they do this than nothing at all. The optimal solution would be lowering Hanzo's mobility a bit and dropping Storm Arrow damage. But they don't want to do that for whatever reason. |
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Post by Duelist on Jul 5, 2018 10:02:52 GMT
I always find that the bigger problem running dive is the possibility of one of the enemy DPS players swapping to Brigitte.
Aside from maps like Gibraltar or sections like second point Hollywood where there's too much high ground for her to contest, she can pretty much singlehandedly fuck over a Dive.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jul 5, 2018 12:29:38 GMT
Welp, I've fought my way all the way back from the damn 1500s in comp to around 2350 solo queuing.
I've found that it's pretty easy to go hulk/rampage mode with Rein in high silver, low gold. But it's a lot harder up here in mid/high gold to do that lol. I'm still winning, but I think it's due to being just competent enough and getting carried to wins haha. I'm 14-2 with Rein in comp for season 11 so far, but it's getting harder.
(OH and what's the deal with doing better in placements, but placing lower that I did the first time I did placements? Went 6-4 in Season 10, placed 2500s, then went 8-2 this time and placed 2100s haha)
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Post by Duelist on Jul 5, 2018 12:48:55 GMT
It's the paradox of playing main tank: everyone notices when you're shit but only the enemy team notices when you're good unless you're really popping off.
Also, further proof that Reinhardt streamers/YouTubers are the best:
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Jul 5, 2018 14:29:49 GMT
I always find that the bigger problem running dive is the possibility of one of the enemy DPS players swapping to Brigitte. Aside from maps like Gibraltar or sections like second point Hollywood where there's too much high ground for her to contest, she can pretty much singlehandedly fuck over a Dive. I mained Brigitte last season, and while she's strong against dive, her effectiveness against it is nonetheless greatly exaggerated. Tracer and Genji can easily stay out of Brig's range or fight on high ground where she can't reach them. Brig is mainly there to keep dive tanks honest but if the flankers are uncontested, she can do precious little. Consider Brig more an element to keep dive in check instead of a single counter (heroes like McCree and Roadhog are pieces of that as well). The real problem is not Brigitte but Hanzo. Storm arrow shreds tanks, and Storm's duration is greater than Defense Matrix's duration. So even if D.Va matrixes Winston, it's only very temporary protection. I know they're buffing Soldier, McCree and Bastion to try to make them more competitive vs Widow and Hanzo but they simply do not have the burst damage of either. |
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Post by smilesja on Jul 5, 2018 18:17:35 GMT
I always find that the bigger problem running dive is the possibility of one of the enemy DPS players swapping to Brigitte. Aside from maps like Gibraltar or sections like second point Hollywood where there's too much high ground for her to contest, she can pretty much singlehandedly fuck over a Dive. I mained Brigitte last season, and while she's strong against dive, her effectiveness against it is nonetheless greatly exaggerated. Tracer and Genji can easily stay out of Brig's range or fight on high ground where she can't reach them. Brig is mainly there to keep dive tanks honest but if the flankers are uncontested, she can do precious little. Consider Brig more an element to keep dive in check instead of a single counter (heroes like McCree and Roadhog are pieces of that as well). The real problem is not Brigitte but Hanzo. Storm arrow shreds tanks, and Storm's duration is greater than Defense Matrix's duration. So even if D.Va matrixes Winston, it's only very temporary protection. I know they're buffing Soldier, McCree and Bastion to try to make them more competitive vs Widow and Hanzo but they simply do not have the burst damage of either.
That and Hanzo's ultimate charges too quickly.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Jul 5, 2018 20:48:40 GMT
I mained Brigitte last season, and while she's strong against dive, her effectiveness against it is nonetheless greatly exaggerated. Tracer and Genji can easily stay out of Brig's range or fight on high ground where she can't reach them. Brig is mainly there to keep dive tanks honest but if the flankers are uncontested, she can do precious little. Consider Brig more an element to keep dive in check instead of a single counter (heroes like McCree and Roadhog are pieces of that as well). The real problem is not Brigitte but Hanzo. Storm arrow shreds tanks, and Storm's duration is greater than Defense Matrix's duration. So even if D.Va matrixes Winston, it's only very temporary protection. I know they're buffing Soldier, McCree and Bastion to try to make them more competitive vs Widow and Hanzo but they simply do not have the burst damage of either.
That and Hanzo's ultimate charges too quickly.
Now there's a conundrum. Is it because the requirement is too low, because he does too much damage, or both? I think it's the damage that's the issue in general. |
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Post by Melra on Jul 8, 2018 7:51:21 GMT
Have to admit, I've had rather good experiences with this new group system. I am pleasantly surprised by Blizzard's efforts in this regard, I've seen more hate from the opposing team for not dying than I've seen any flaming within my own teams. But to be fair, I will see how long this lasts. I've won 8-10 games in a row now playing my main role and three main characters and climbed back to Masters. May have just had really lucky streak, rather than being able to play at my full potential.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 8, 2018 16:42:06 GMT
What’s with the terrible Mcree mains lately?
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Post by smilesja on Jul 8, 2018 16:42:27 GMT
And I finally acquired Brigitte’s golden mace!
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jul 9, 2018 13:31:16 GMT
I'm at the highest I've ever been in comp (aside from my first placements which ended at 2536) currently. I'm at 2424 and I'm scared to play now. With solo-queue, I just know I'll drop. lmao
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Jul 9, 2018 14:45:44 GMT
I'm at the highest I've ever been in comp (aside from my first placements which ended at 2536) currently. I'm at 2424 and I'm scared to play now. With solo-queue, I just know I'll drop. lmao Where you go in Platinum has very little to do with your own skill level so there's no guarantee you'll rise or drop. If your skills at whichever hero you're on exceed Plat then you probably won't be there long, but honestly it's hard to say. Platinum is the biggest wildcard of all ranks because smurfs abound there, throwing off game balance, but the smurfs aren't so common that both teams always have them. Diamond for example is rife with Masters players but it is rare that one team will have the smurf(s) and the other team won't. It's pretty common in Plat games for there to be 2 smurfs on one team and none on the other team, and the smurf team will win 4 out of 5 times. My honest opinion as a person who bounces between high Masters and low GM, Masters games were actually easier for me than games in Plat. GM is really hard - I've played games vs people like PVP, Jardio and Seagull; once you break into GM/Top500 you're playing against the absolute best quality opponents on ladder. In Masters, smurfing is rare except for a semi-pro or pro-level player hopping on an alt, but they are so few in number that their impact on games is negligible. In Plat, a lot of Masters players show up and if you're for example playing Rein, and you have a hard-stuck Plat McCree facing off against a Masters-quality Genji, your team is probably going to get bodied. An individual Plat game with no smurfs on either side was easy for me, but the problem was that such a thing was quite uncommon. Plat is basically smurf roulette. And I finally acquired Brigitte’s golden mace! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! MACE TO THE FACE! |
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jul 9, 2018 15:14:45 GMT
I'm at the highest I've ever been in comp (aside from my first placements which ended at 2536) currently. I'm at 2424 and I'm scared to play now. With solo-queue, I just know I'll drop. lmao Where you go in Platinum has very little to do with your own skill level so there's no guarantee you'll rise or drop. If your skills at whichever hero you're on exceed Plat then you probably won't be there long, but honestly it's hard to say. Platinum is the biggest wildcard of all ranks because smurfs abound there, throwing off game balance, but the smurfs aren't so common that both teams always have them. Diamond for example is rife with Masters players but it is rare that one team will have the smurf(s) and the other team won't. It's pretty common in Plat games for there to be 2 smurfs on one team and none on the other team, and the smurf team will win 4 out of 5 times. My honest opinion as a person who bounces between high Masters and low GM, Masters games were actually easier for me than games in Plat. GM is really hard - I've played games vs people like PVP, Jardio and Seagull; once you break into GM/Top500 you're playing against the absolute best quality opponents on ladder. In Masters, smurfing is rare except for a semi-pro or pro-level player hopping on an alt, but they are so few in number that their impact on games is negligible. In Plat, a lot of Masters players show up and if you're for example playing Rein, and you have a hard-stuck Plat McCree facing off against a Masters-quality Genji, your team is probably going to get bodied. An individual Plat game with no smurfs on either side was easy for me, but the problem was that such a thing was quite uncommon. Plat is basically smurf roulette. Haha I'm just trying to make it to plat. I don't believe I'll be able to stay there. At least not as Reinhardt. While I body people in low gold with him, I find it hard to be good with him where I currently am in high gold. So I'll have to get good with a support or somehow not suck ass at DPS if I want to get to and stay in plat. |
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Jul 9, 2018 16:11:06 GMT
Where you go in Platinum has very little to do with your own skill level so there's no guarantee you'll rise or drop. If your skills at whichever hero you're on exceed Plat then you probably won't be there long, but honestly it's hard to say. Platinum is the biggest wildcard of all ranks because smurfs abound there, throwing off game balance, but the smurfs aren't so common that both teams always have them. Diamond for example is rife with Masters players but it is rare that one team will have the smurf(s) and the other team won't. It's pretty common in Plat games for there to be 2 smurfs on one team and none on the other team, and the smurf team will win 4 out of 5 times. My honest opinion as a person who bounces between high Masters and low GM, Masters games were actually easier for me than games in Plat. GM is really hard - I've played games vs people like PVP, Jardio and Seagull; once you break into GM/Top500 you're playing against the absolute best quality opponents on ladder. In Masters, smurfing is rare except for a semi-pro or pro-level player hopping on an alt, but they are so few in number that their impact on games is negligible. In Plat, a lot of Masters players show up and if you're for example playing Rein, and you have a hard-stuck Plat McCree facing off against a Masters-quality Genji, your team is probably going to get bodied. An individual Plat game with no smurfs on either side was easy for me, but the problem was that such a thing was quite uncommon. Plat is basically smurf roulette. Haha I'm just trying to make it to plat. I don't believe I'll be able to stay there. At least not as Reinhardt. While I body people in low gold with him, I find it hard to be good with him where I currently am in high gold. So I'll have to get good with a support or somehow not suck ass at DPS if I want to get to and stay in plat. Playing Rein at lower ranks is tough because you can't depend on your teammates to do their jobs. So even if you do everything you're supposed to, you may have no follow-up. I suggest flexing between Zen and Brig if you want to tear it up on the support role. If you see a bunch of flankers on the enemy team, take Brigitte and play midline, peeling for your main healer when necessary and backing up your tanks. If the enemy team is running Zarya+Hanzo then Zenyatta is a fantastic choice since Transcendence is the only support ult that can do anything about Grav+Dragons. That and Zen performs well against most enemy heroes. He is one of only two supports who can really do anything about Pharah, Hanzo and Widow. Flankers destroy him at your rank, but that's why the Brig swap will help you a ton. You learn to play Brig and you will the bane of every mid-rank Genji, Tracer or Doomfist player's existence. Also if your team isn't running a Mercy and/or Zen, politely offer to play either. Especially Mercy. I can't tell you how many games I've had that were won or lost based solely on whether we did (or didn't) have a Mercy. |
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jul 9, 2018 16:27:08 GMT
That's why I was able to do good with Rein at lower ranks than where I am now because I didn't NEED a healer to keep me alive because the idiots on the other team don't know how to focus people or work together in lower ranks. Now though, I find I need more help to be effective, but I just don't receive that help. So I've been playing D.Va more and more to get in and get out.
Zen would be great, but I think it requires a certain type of player. I get way too focused on shooting at enemies and discording to remember to put orbs on my teammates. Which is NOT GOOD for a Zen player to be doing. If I could break that habit, you're right, it'd be a really good pick for the team.
As for Mercy, I can play a decent one, but I just refuse to these days. She's just so boring. Nothing more boring than boosting DPS who can't kill anything or healing everyone and then getting a loss.
If I'm going support, at this point, it's gonna be Brig (aside from the fact that I find her design to be super cool, she's a ton of fun to play). And when people complain about it and the lack of healing, I just switch back to tank. Mercy is not an option for me personally. Besides, I don't really think Brig's healing is all that bad.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Jul 9, 2018 17:13:45 GMT
That's why I was able to do good with Rein at lower ranks than where I am now because I didn't NEED a healer to keep me alive because the idiots on the other team don't know how to focus people or work together in lower ranks. Now though, I find I need more help to be effective, but I just don't receive that help. So I've been playing D.Va more and more to get in and get out. Zen would be great, but I think it requires a certain type of player. I get way too focused on shooting at enemies and discording to remember to put orbs on my teammates. Which is NOT GOOD for a Zen player to be doing. If I could break that habit, you're right, it'd be a really good pick for the team. As for Mercy, I can play a decent one, but I just refuse to these days. She's just so boring. Nothing more boring than boosting DPS who can't kill anything or healing everyone and then getting a loss. If I'm going support, at this point, it's gonna be Brig (aside from the fact that I find her design to be super cool, she's a ton of fun to play). And when people complain about it and the lack of healing, I just switch back to tank. Mercy is not an option for me personally. Besides, I don't really think Brig's healing is all that bad. Played properly, with the proper team comp, Rein 100% needs support behind him. It's what the Rein+Zarya combo is all about - Rein has Zarya behind him to back him up as she can bubble him (and Zarya deals insane damage to help Rein push frontline), and Mercy can pocket him to keep his health high. D.Va is unique in that she pairs well with each main tank. She's best with Winston, but she's also good with Orisa and not bad with Rein. D.Va is also the highest skillcap tank in the game. D.Va feeds the enemy team a lot of ult when she's not behind a shield since the MEKA is a big fat target, so you have to position really well with her to maximize your usefulness to the team. But she compensates by being able to do a little bit of just about everything. No other tank has her versatility. |
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jul 14, 2018 22:48:15 GMT
Did you guys see the Lucio emote they've basically locked behind a pay-wall? Nice Blizzard, really.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 14, 2018 23:55:49 GMT
Eh, I'm not surprised. After all this isn't the first time they did this. Both Bastion and Winston have a skin you could only get by buying a Blizzcon ticket, and then there are the emotes Tracer has if you bought the special WoW thing or whatever. Not saying I'm a fan of it, but it's nothing new. At least you also get a bunch of other OWL-related stuff too.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jul 15, 2018 14:24:02 GMT
Eh, I'm not surprised. After all this isn't the first time they did this. Both Bastion and Winston have a skin you could only get by buying a Blizzcon ticket, and then there are the emotes Tracer has if you bought the special WoW thing or whatever. Not saying I'm a fan of it, but it's nothing new. At least you also get a bunch of other OWL-related stuff too. The difference is that for people in Europe they can't really get any value out of the access as all games are in the middle of the night. Nice thinking with that. It's one thing to pay for something that goes to charity, that I can support, but this just makes me wonder what they will do next... |
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Post by smilesja on Jul 16, 2018 18:13:49 GMT
Played comp yesterday and had an arrogant teammate who thought he was a great Bastion main. We played the game and he got destroyed by the team by overextending and not setting behind the Reinhardt shield. The arrogant guy was yelling at me and my teammates when we called him out on it. After he ragequit, we played another game with a Bastion and he was magnificent, making game saving plays and actually doing proper positioning as Bastion. We invited him to our party after the match and thrash talked the bad Bastion.  |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 16, 2018 19:39:53 GMT
Eh, I'm not surprised. After all this isn't the first time they did this. Both Bastion and Winston have a skin you could only get by buying a Blizzcon ticket, and then there are the emotes Tracer has if you bought the special WoW thing or whatever. Not saying I'm a fan of it, but it's nothing new. At least you also get a bunch of other OWL-related stuff too. The difference is that for people in Europe they can't really get any value out of the access as all games are in the middle of the night. Nice thinking with that. It's one thing to pay for something that goes to charity, that I can support, but this just makes me wonder what they will do next... Oh, I don't like that they are doing it at all. I'm just saying this isn't the first time they've done this. Like you said, the only time I think this kind of thing would be appropriate is if it was for a charity like they did with the Pink Mercy stuff. |
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