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Post by Trilobite Derby on Feb 8, 2017 22:28:50 GMT
Salarians, well, make them odd looking Tadpoles. The Salarian Ark could even have a tank for them.  This pic is also a good example for Krogan children:  Is that a dinotopia picture... but with krogan? What a wonderful world to live in. |
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Post by laxian on Feb 8, 2017 22:54:24 GMT
Why wouldn't there be Children in this game? I can understand why we may not see Krogan Children (Genophage), but wouldn't there be children of different races on Nexus if they are wanting to colonize and start new life in Andromeda? I would also think Children would be in Cryo-sleep on the Hyperion to help with diversity of the Human society. Do you think this will be in the game to an extent or would you not really care? Not at the start! Would you really take kids on an expedition that might kill them? (It's a fucking one way trip and it's not know if everybody will survive the 600 years in cryo! Not to mention that there's no kindergartens, schools, universities etc.! Kids come in time, it's more or less natural (unless you are like me and don't want any, but my POV is not universally shared, most people tend to want kids!) when people start to pair off, start relationships etc.) Calle me an asshole, but: Kids are dangerous when you take into account that you got to have people watch them constantly etc. and they are a drain on ressources not contributing anything yet  It might make sense to show some a game or two down the line (if the time between games is a few years, so that infrastructure can be built etc.)  greetings LAX |
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Feb 8, 2017 23:40:17 GMT
Only if some random person from the bar takes you to court for child support.
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Post by missileglitcher on Feb 9, 2017 0:07:45 GMT
i hope they're not in the game. they're almost always extremely annoying and are better off not being in the game in any shape or way
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Post by missileglitcher on Feb 9, 2017 0:12:20 GMT
The last child in ME universe didn't do the franchise much good, I'm okay with no kids (and the art/animation departments as well). you mean the introduction of a brand new child character with plenty of nonsensical dialogue and a bunch of plot holes in the last 5 minutes of the series wasnt a good move? most people will disagree with you. it seems that the ending of mass effect was perfect and bioware are great at writing stories and characters. i mean, they seem to receive nothing but universal praise |
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Post by degs29 on Feb 9, 2017 13:06:40 GMT
Doubtful. It'd be a waste of resources for Bioware to create children from several races just for a lore piece. I respect your answer but I don't see how it would really be a waste of resources when a specific team in Bioware specialized in character creation could easily make smaller versions of Turians, Krogan, Salarians, Asari, Human, etc as random NPCs. Considering all the intricacies already with developing a game like Mass Effect, this seems pretty minimal. I know these developers have huge imaginations and have designs already. Aside from the modelling (which can be incredibly time consuming), how would you animate? What about voice actors? I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of headaches as well. Would love to hear a devs perspective on this. |
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Post by hammerstorm on Feb 9, 2017 13:14:33 GMT
I don't have any problem with it, AS LONG as it is done right. There is always way to make it fit if they want it, maybe people some will disagree, but then again there are people disagreeing about everything so there's that. I don't really have a problem with the kids being "invisible" in that way that we hear people talking about them, but we never see them. I don't know how much resources it would take or if it would be better to focus on other part of the game, but that is for the people on Bioware to decide. I trust them to try to make a good game. And if I have to save a kid that hides in a vent, I want the option to blow the vent up if the kid don't comes out.  |
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 9, 2017 14:06:03 GMT
I respect your answer but I don't see how it would really be a waste of resources when a specific team in Bioware specialized in character creation could easily make smaller versions of Turians, Krogan, Salarians, Asari, Human, etc as random NPCs. Considering all the intricacies already with developing a game like Mass Effect, this seems pretty minimal. I know these developers have huge imaginations and have designs already. Aside from the modelling (which can be incredibly time consuming), how would you animate? What about voice actors? I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of headaches as well. Would love to hear a devs perspective on this. Yeah same here. In my mind I'm just thinking a few children as npcs and then copy and paste them if needed. It should be a rare thing but something that exists. After watching the analysis on Vetra, it says that she values her family a good bit and not traveling too far from home. Could be an indication that we'll see more families this go around. |
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Post by Vortex13 on Feb 9, 2017 18:06:12 GMT
As I have said in other threads similar to this one: If you want to have children in the game world, that's fine, but they better not have plot armor protecting them from any and all harm. The very nature of the Initiative's mission involves a great deal of danger and the potential for massive loss of life, so if one wants to bring children into a setting as lawless and "Wild West" as ME"Andromeda is making out the Hellius Cluster to be, then those kids damn well better be just as susceptible to that danger as the adults; especially if you are wanting to see the little ones running around on some frontier colony. By all means, bring the kiddies, But don't exclude them from any sort of mishap or violence because they are " innocents". Take some inspiration from Dead Space BioWare. |
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Post by degs29 on Feb 9, 2017 19:36:13 GMT
Aside from the modelling (which can be incredibly time consuming), how would you animate? What about voice actors? I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of headaches as well. Would love to hear a devs perspective on this. ...After watching the analysis on Vetra, it says that she values her family a good bit and not traveling too far from home.... Haha, seriously? Not exactly a prime candidate for the Andromeda Initiative.  |
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Post by leadintea on Feb 9, 2017 20:39:45 GMT
I wanna see a fat lil Turian kid running around for the lulz.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 10, 2017 1:39:54 GMT
...After watching the analysis on Vetra, it says that she values her family a good bit and not traveling too far from home.... Haha, seriously? Not exactly a prime candidate for the Andromeda Initiative. lol right? So I'm thinking they are all on the initiative like the Ryder family is all there (except Mom...at least from what we know). |
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Post by Muddy Boots on Feb 10, 2017 2:03:00 GMT
I can see colonists having kids after they arrive and establish safe settlemens. But bringing them along with you? I think most parents would think that's too risky.
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Post by Gludipow on Feb 10, 2017 8:02:25 GMT
You never know, parts of the ark could have frozen embryos or something just waiting to be turned into little babies of each species but they're waiting to find their homes.
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Post by laxian on Feb 10, 2017 14:19:26 GMT
You never know, parts of the ark could have frozen embryos or something just waiting to be turned into little babies of each species but they're waiting to find their homes. That's not a bad idea (we know that artificial wombs are a thing in ME - look at Grunt and Miranda!)...once we are established we can increase the population quickly, which is a good idea! (I've had the same idea back when the A.I. was still ArkCon! (First few trailers etc.) greetings LAX |
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Post by Muddy Boots on Feb 10, 2017 15:53:05 GMT
I already have a hard time believing that so many people find reasonable going to Andromeda just to explore, but ok, I'm sure there's some people who's adventurous and reckless like that... but people with kids is just too much. If I find children there I'm going to look at their parents super judgmentally  On the other hand, I'd have said that people in their 20-40s is probably the ideal for something like this, no? Young people, in their prime physically, with a long healthy life ahead of them? If I was planning the whole thing, I'd try to have mostly young people, except for a few experts that you probably want to have around, regardless of their age, because their knowledge and/or abilities are too vauable. I'd worry first about building a viable colony, and leave the management of those other problems for later, because I'm not sure one can make detailed plans for the future in a scenario like this anyway. It would be short-sighted to build a colony that can only run smoothly for a limited time. It would work in the beginning, but you know for sure you will run into problems if large parts of the workforce are raising children or will retire at the same time. Not impossible to manage, but avoidable, and you have no chance to get resources and people from the MW if something goes wrong. Doing something stupid has never stopped humans from doing it anyway, but if they want to establish a lasting presence in Anromeda, I they'd better have planned far ahead. Don't forget that humans live a lot longer now and are fertile well into their 50s-women included-and even their 60s. Anderson's parents were in their 50s when they had him. |
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Post by Muddy Boots on Feb 10, 2017 15:54:37 GMT
You never know, parts of the ark could have frozen embryos or something just waiting to be turned into little babies of each species but they're waiting to find their homes. That's not a bad idea (we know that artificial wombs are a thing in ME - look at Grunt and Miranda!)...once we are established we can increase the population quickly, which is a good idea! (I've had the same idea back when the A.I. was still ArkCon! (First few trailers etc.) greetings LAX Grunt and Miranda were exceptions. And Miranda was infertile because of her genetic creation. They were extremely difficult and costly to produce. OKeer went through many flawed krogans just to get Grunt. Miranda's father spent a fortune to get her. Reviving Shepard cost billions. So I believe it's not likely something the AI would use as a routine thing. |
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Post by random on Feb 10, 2017 18:36:36 GMT
They were both genetically modified to be powerful. Artificial womb babies with normal fertilized eggs probably wouldn't be nearly as expensive or time-consuming. And possibly wouldn't cause the same infertility issues. |
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Post by laxian on Feb 10, 2017 22:48:12 GMT
*snip* self-quoting isn't needed Grunt and Miranda were exceptions. And Miranda was infertile because of her genetic creation. They were extremely difficult and costly to produce. OKeer went through many flawed krogans just to get Grunt. Miranda's father spent a fortune to get her. Reviving Shepard cost billions. So I believe it's not likely something the AI would use as a routine thing. Miranda may have been a costly experiment (note: Do we know if Oriana is infertile, too? Maybe it's because of Miranda's dangerous lifestyle?), but Grunt is NOT infertile (and with Okeer making dozens if not hundreds of Krogan we know it can't be that expensive - he didn't have a major government backing him (or even a wealthy corporation)), but then again: She has biotics, Grunt does not (so maybe the infertility came from wanting to produce a biotic clone?)...maybe Okeer didn't know how or he knew that introducing Eezo would make Grund infertile? (Note: As far as I know biotics aren't infertile as a rule, but then again most of them aren't made artificially, biotics are people who've survived being exposed to Eezo-Dust while in the womb, but that doesn't mean that they can't have children as far as I know!) greetings LAX ps: Even if it's more epensive than natural conception and birth: Does that really matter at the start of the expedition (there most likely is no money on said expedition - as long as there's no industry, especially no industry making consumer goods from stuff like Omni-Tools to personal vehicles (hover-cars etc.))? Shouldn't increasing our numbers be more important than monetary concerns (we want to establish ourselves in a new galaxy and part of that is numbers, especially once we've truly set up shop (industry has been created, food production is working, schools etc. have been set up etc. etc.) Also: How were Okeer's other Krogan flawed (do we know?), I always thought they just weren't what he wanted (he kind of a had a checklist and he most likely would have even refused natural born Krogan if they weren't perfect (according to said checklist!)...nothing against Grunt, but nothing suggests to me that he's better than most other Krogan (he's a loyal friend, but I bet Wrex would beat him in a fight, even without using his biotics!) |
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