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Post by themikefest on Mar 8, 2017 11:56:10 GMT
Really? My final goodbye words are with Javik? The character you have talked with the most and taken on the most missions will be the one Shepard talks with
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Post by phoray on Mar 8, 2017 11:58:03 GMT
Okay. Less pissed now. More confused.
Blow up all synthetic life in the Galaxy. Even though I sacrificed the entire Quarian race to give the Geth a chance. And also revert people back to cave man days for a bit.
Control the reapers and the war just ends? But I become a computer/person/thing.
Or synthesis, where I force everyone to become hybrids. Like, instantly? Nanides rain down on people?
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Post by themikefest on Mar 8, 2017 12:00:56 GMT
Awwwwwwwwwwwwww sad aww Kaidan sounded downright choked when he said, "we know this is goodbye." That was just heavy enough and with just enough awkward pauses to support my head cannon of their having a thing for each other that they decided not to act on. The feelz. I'm not a fan of the goodbyes in London. I would have had them on the Normandy while heading to Earth. The funny part is Shepard will say to Anderson, "every minute wasted is time for the reapers to gather strength." The goodbyes wasted how many minutes? The other thing is that while Shepard is saying goodbye, the fleets above Earth are taking a beating The funniest thing is that the yellow pages qec guy is able to get a hold of Jack. That's very impressive. Is that the only human with that name?
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Post by themikefest on Mar 8, 2017 12:05:51 GMT
WTF mate- I don't have enough Paragon to Paragon? For that to happen, you need to choose paragon every time you talk with TIM in the game. Your reputation needs to be very high. Doing that will have him do the same as what Saren did to himself in ME1.
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WTF mate- I don't have enough Paragon to Paragon? For that to happen, you need to choose paragon every time you talk with TIM in the game. Your reputation needs to be very high. Doing that will have him do the same as what Saren did to himself in ME1. What is the renegade requirement for the dialogue? and for the interrupt?
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Post by phoray on Mar 8, 2017 12:09:23 GMT
Blow up all synthetic life in the Galaxy. Even though I sacrificed the entire Quarian race to give the Geth a chance. And also revert people back to cave man days for a bit. Control the reapers and the war just ends? But I become a computer/person/thing. Or synthesis, where I force everyone to become hybrids. Like, instantly? Nanides rain down on people? When blowing them all up came up as an option, I was like, DUH. Too bad for the current Geth but--- oh shit, EDI. I think he also implied Shepherd would die due to the implants keeping her alive? I don't know if I can kill EDI. The Controlling the Reapers thing just seemed weird; will my Shepherd's soul find Thane's across the sea if she's part of a computer system for forever? But it allows for a couple of things. Everyone right now can just be as they are. And considering I sided with the Geth, and they helped the War Effort, it's possible... There is hope that the "cycle" of synth vs Org won't happen again. So it's a weird but hopeful option. Then Synthesis. Nonconsensual act on a universal scale. Wasn't told if this allows people their individuality. I'm a bit against forcing a hive mind on folk. I keep wondering how Thane would feel about me making his son, his people, our friends, MY people, change like this. Also, I think this option actually allows me to remain alive? And that wasn't my end goal here.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 8, 2017 12:11:50 GMT
What is the renegade requirement for the dialogue? and for the interrupt? Choose renegade each time when talking with TIM. What happens is TIM will get frustrated, push Anderson aside and aim his weapon at Shepard. At that point, a renegade interrupt pops up for the player to shoot TIM.
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Post by phoray on Mar 8, 2017 12:11:59 GMT
So destruction would just kill me, EDI, the GETH, and possibly cause an eventual synth vs Organic war all over again. Sooo... I've ruled that one out.
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What is the renegade requirement for the dialogue? and for the interrupt? Choose renegade each time when talking with TIM. What happens is TIM will get frustrated, push Anderson aside and aim his weapon at Shepard. At that point, a renegade interrupt pops up for the player to shoot TIM. I must pretty much always go renegade with TIM then... can't remember the last time I didn't have an option to use the interrupt to shoot him.
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Post by phoray on Mar 8, 2017 12:14:45 GMT
I'm leaning towards Controlling the Reapers at the moment. But I'd be sacrificing my imagined post death meetup with Thane for a possible eternity and that makes me sad.
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Post by phoray on Mar 8, 2017 12:23:21 GMT
Oh Thane... What did he tell me to do... he told me to fight. To end the war. He sacrificed himself. Our time was so short. And I've been looking forward since his death to my Shepherd's death. So she can rejoin him across the sea. I don't think he'd want everyone to become a weird hybrid with no discussion. I certainly wouldn't. So... Shepherd will do the right thing.... and sacrifice her afterlife with Thane. This whole idea is making me cry. . I'm sorry, Thane. I won't see you across the sea. "I got this, baby." "I knew you would, Siha."
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Post by phoray on Mar 8, 2017 12:45:35 GMT
I cried all the way to the control terminal. I cried through the flashes of Anderson, Mordin, Thane. I cried even harder when Joker didn't want to leave without me. Calmed down and got confused about that weird scene on random planet with Joker, Garrus, and Javik, wondering if I'd somehow destroyed Synthetic life on accident.
The... Sheperd not Sheperd that spoke kinda nailed my thoughts except for the part when she said, "The best plan is to control your enemy" cuz I totally wasn't thinking that when I'd decided. Tali and Legion flashed across the screen.
The Cast of ME3 gathered round to add my name with Thane's. Anderson's, Tali's, Mordin's, Legion's. Garrus and Kaidan seemed to get close ups and looked particularly sad. EDI looked fine, so all good on that front.
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Post by phoray on Mar 8, 2017 12:52:15 GMT
Oh goodness. I'm tired of sad games. Mass Effect beat TW3 at "the number of times it could make me cry." WEll done? Except that I can only handle being depressed so much?
I wonder why the Dragon Age games are so much more... upbeat. They give you lots of good feels and very rare bad feels.
Jack was at a cemetary. That mean I kill her squad? All the other "slides" seemed to be positive.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 8, 2017 12:55:34 GMT
Jack was at a cemetary. That mean I kill her squad? All the other "slides" seemed to be positive. Yes. You sent them to the front lines. Doing that gives more war assets, but kills them.
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Oh goodness. I'm tired of sad games. Mass Effect beat TW3 at "the number of times it could make me cry." WEll done? Except that I can only handle being depressed so much? I wonder why the Dragon Age games are so much more... upbeat. They give you lots of good feels and very rare bad feels. Jack was at a cemetary. That mean I kill her squad? All the other "slides" seemed to be positive. On a positive note - ME:A promises to be more upbeat. I have to say, I love you way you reasoned your own way through the ending - well done! I've really enjoyed following your playthrough... hope, you'll forgive me for that bit of bad advice about taking Kaidan and Javik. As for why the ME:T is so sad... it's war... maybe it gives us all a touch of PTSD. I remember how I felt the first time I watch Saving Private Ryan in the theatre... came out feeling completely shell shocked... and looking around the theater, I certainly wasn't the only one. ME3 left me feeling much the same way for quite awhile.
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 8, 2017 13:16:54 GMT
Oh goodness. I'm tired of sad games. Mass Effect beat TW3 at "the number of times it could make me cry." WEll done? Except that I can only handle being depressed so much? I wonder why the Dragon Age games are so much more... upbeat. They give you lots of good feels and very rare bad feels. Jack was at a cemetary. That mean I kill her squad? All the other "slides" seemed to be positive. A happier ending is possible. It was happy enough for me, anyway, and I was super worried as I approached the end game. Do you want to know how to get it for next time? Also, I think I somehow missed when you did the party on Citadel, or did I just forget?
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Post by phoray on Mar 8, 2017 13:21:03 GMT
Oh goodness. I'm tired of sad games. I wonder why the Dragon Age games are so much more... upbeat On a positive note - ME:A promises to be more upbeat. I have to say, I love you way you reasoned your own way through the ending - well done! I've really enjoyed following your playthrough... hope, you'll forgive me for that bit of bad advice about taking Kaidan and Javik. As for why the ME:T is so sad... it's war... maybe it gives us all a touch of PTSD. I remember how I felt the first time I watch Saving Private Ryan in the theatre... came out feeling completely shell shocked... and looking around the theater, I certainly wasn't the only one. ME3 left me feeling much the same way for quite awhile. How did people usually reason through the ending? Well, apparently getting the goodbye of your choice is more complicated. Apparently who shows up on that random green planet is also based on some similar reasons, because Garrus and Javik both walked up to Joker. and I'm like, why is Garrus even in this scene, with focus on Javik? I wish I'd known this bit in advance, I could have modified who I'd brought places, it's certainly not something a quick reload can fix without ONLY briging Kaidan although, as much help as they seemed to be giving, maybe I was fighting mostly alone anyway. I definitely don't know how dragontartare could just jump back in and start another Triology- but maybe she somehow managed a happier ending than mine? I looked on Wikipedia and the only way Shepherd gets to live is actually destroying the Reapers? That's so weird-- oh wait, synthesis is some weird Shepherd dust thing. Dragon killed EDI? @_@ I ended up finishing ME3 in under 50 hours. Felt like longer.
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Post by phoray on Mar 8, 2017 13:23:56 GMT
Oh goodness. I'm tired of sad games. Mass Effect beat TW3 at "the number of times it could make me cry." WEll done? Except that I can only handle being depressed so much? I wonder why the Dragon Age games are so much more... upbeat. They give you lots of good feels and very rare bad feels. Jack was at a cemetary. That mean I kill her squad? All the other "slides" seemed to be positive. A happier ending is possible. It was happy enough for me, anyway, and I was super worried as I approached the end game. Do you want to know how to get it for next time? Also, I think I somehow missed when you did the party on Citadel, or did I just forget? I definitely did the party. I told Glyph to make it a loud obnoxious party and Grunt was taking a shower cuz he was so drunk. It had it's moments but mostly I didn't find it very relaxing. Running from area to area to area to try to listen in on my guests rather than just...be with them. Occasionally get to click or actually choose to say something instead of auto dialogue. I think I appreciated the hang out scenes more than the party itself. And the game stole my furniture and changed my picture too, which made it less special.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 8, 2017 13:27:34 GMT
I always choose destroy.
Its not hard to start another playthrough. After my first ME3 playthrough, I started another about 10 minutes later
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 13:47:59 GMT
On a positive note - ME:A promises to be more upbeat. I have to say, I love you way you reasoned your own way through the ending - well done! I've really enjoyed following your playthrough... hope, you'll forgive me for that bit of bad advice about taking Kaidan and Javik. As for why the ME:T is so sad... it's war... maybe it gives us all a touch of PTSD. I remember how I felt the first time I watch Saving Private Ryan in the theatre... came out feeling completely shell shocked... and looking around the theater, I certainly wasn't the only one. ME3 left me feeling much the same way for quite awhile. How did people usually reason through the ending? Well, apparently getting the goodbye of your choice is more complicated. Apparently who shows up on that random green planet is also based on some similar reasons, because Garrus and Javik both walked up to Joker. and I'm like, why is Garrus even in this scene, with focus on Javik? I wish I'd known this bit in advance, I could have modified who I'd brought places, it's certainly not something a quick reload can fix without ONLY briging Kaidan although, as much help as they seemed to be giving, maybe I was fighting mostly alone anyway. I definitely don't know how dragontartare could just jump back in and start another Triology- but maybe she somehow managed a happier ending than mine? I looked on Wikipedia and the only way Shepherd gets to live is actually destroying the Reapers? That's so weird-- oh wait, synthesis is some weird Shepherd dust thing. Dragon killed EDI? @_@ I ended up finishing ME3 in under 50 hours. Felt like longer. Many don't manage to reason through it all... it's a real bone of controversy. I thought your post about Thane and Siha was particularly touching... it just seemed to fit so well. You made a grizzled old fart like me cry, dang it. I'm pretty sure that if Kaidan were your current LI, you would have been talking to him regardless. I'm sure I have often had Ashley as my MaleShep's LI and not used her near as much as the squad mate I've taken with her on that final run and still gotten the goodbye scene with her. A little while ago, I did a playthrough where my Shep continued his ME2 relationship with Miranda after having romanced Ashley in ME1. I'm pretty sure I used James a little more frequently than Ashley on that run through and I still managed to get my goodbyes with Ashley. It was touching, because Miranda had died on Horizon and Ashley's last words were "Shepard, I.... (and I imagined her wanting to say she still loved him). I also thought it was poetic, handing her off to James... since they were the first two squad mates at the beginning of ME3. Destroy is indeed where the "Shep lives" ending is... and you would have gotten that ending with the EMS you had (3,143) and by shooting TIM. If TIM shoots Anderson, you would have lost enough EMS to give you a destroy ending where Shep dies (since you would have lost 100 EMS at that point). I tend to use Destroy when I side with the Quarians over the Geth. EDI is a loss, but an "acceptable" amount of collateral damage, IMO. I use the control ending a lot... some people don't like it because they akin it to "joining with the Reapers." I tend to cling to the statement that I would be able to use the Reapers in any way I saw fit... which would never include allowing them to harvest any more organics in the galaxy. Indeed, I envision Shepard eventually ordering them to just shut down entirely... making him an immortal with very little to do to pass the time. For synthesis, I head canon that the "DNA" change is more symbolic than literal... representing the deep changes in how we understand each other that would be required to permanently end certain ongoing "wars" here on earth. After generation upon generation raised to hate the "other," I think it would almost take a change in thinking right down to the DNA to stop the hating... but I'm an old idealist. In the end "world peace" is something no one has ever really been able to solve for; and as Legion said... "The geth cannot solve for peace alone."
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 8, 2017 14:08:29 GMT
On a positive note - ME:A promises to be more upbeat. I have to say, I love you way you reasoned your own way through the ending - well done! I've really enjoyed following your playthrough... hope, you'll forgive me for that bit of bad advice about taking Kaidan and Javik. As for why the ME:T is so sad... it's war... maybe it gives us all a touch of PTSD. I remember how I felt the first time I watch Saving Private Ryan in the theatre... came out feeling completely shell shocked... and looking around the theater, I certainly wasn't the only one. ME3 left me feeling much the same way for quite awhile. How did people usually reason through the ending? Well, apparently getting the goodbye of your choice is more complicated. Apparently who shows up on that random green planet is also based on some similar reasons, because Garrus and Javik both walked up to Joker. and I'm like, why is Garrus even in this scene, with focus on Javik? I wish I'd known this bit in advance, I could have modified who I'd brought places, it's certainly not something a quick reload can fix without ONLY briging Kaidan although, as much help as they seemed to be giving, maybe I was fighting mostly alone anyway. I definitely don't know how dragontartare could just jump back in and start another Triology- but maybe she somehow managed a happier ending than mine? I looked on Wikipedia and the only way Shepherd gets to live is actually destroying the Reapers? That's so weird-- oh wait, synthesis is some weird Shepherd dust thing. Dragon killed EDI? @_@ I ended up finishing ME3 in under 50 hours. Felt like longer. Well, I suspected I would kill EDI but didn't know for sure However, I don't doubt that she created backups of herself. They'll fix her. I did feel very bad for killing all the geth after managing to save them, though. That part sucked. But Shepard and Garrus got their happily ever after, after the heart-breaking goodbyes I had to endure, so ultimately I was happy. Remember I had the default world state for ME1, which has some things in it that are not ideal, so I have to fix things now That's why I'm jumping in again so soon. Although I'm sure having an upbeat romance helped. Good news? I'm not done with ME1 yet, so you could join the end of my PT if you wanted. I got ninjamanced by both Kaidan and Liara.
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Post by phoray on Mar 8, 2017 14:32:12 GMT
I should sleep now that it's 6:30 and I'm running on a 90 minute nap. I'll need some time to decompress about this whole thing. And probably post random tidbits and then eventually my likes dislikes. I am definitely NOT jumping right back into another Trilogy run like the brave dragontartareI need lots of sugary romantic video game hugs and kisses from a few DA characters before I can do a PT 2. The perfect one, where kill Jacob and Zaeed, and get a Thane mod so he doesn't die and...well, actually, very conflicted about the EDI and Geth thing if I were to go with Destroy Ending. If the normandy maintained function, I don't know why Edi couldn't. But the first PT is always the one seared into your brain. It was tragic and probably all the more realistic for it. ugh. okay. quit typing. sleep.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 16:07:49 GMT
ah, i'm late for the finale. but as upupaway said, i really love your reasoning with the ending you chose. very well thought out and heartfelt. as for jumping back into the trilogy, i've always felt so depressed when finishing me3. i don't know it it's the music, shepard's inevitable fate, or just not seeing these characters again, but it's always gloomy for me. some people use the me3 happy ending mod to make themselves feel better about the ending, if that's up your alley. anyways! it was nice reading through your first playthrough. i don't think i'm alone in saying that it's been... a good ride.
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 8, 2017 17:15:22 GMT
I should sleep now that it's 6:30 and I'm running on a 90 minute nap. I'll need some time to decompress about this whole thing. And probably post random tidbits and then eventually my likes dislikes. I am definitely NOT jumping right back into another Trilogy run like the brave dragontartareI need lots of sugary romantic video game hugs and kisses from a few DA characters before I can do a PT 2. The perfect one, where kill Jacob and Zaeed, and get a Thane mod so he doesn't die and...well, actually, very conflicted about the EDI and Geth thing if I were to go with Destroy Ending. If the normandy maintained function, I don't know why Edi couldn't. But the first PT is always the one seared into your brain. It was tragic and probably all the more realistic for it. ugh. okay. quit typing. sleep. To be fair, the Normandy crashed. But the destroy pulse targets only AI, I think, and only incidentally destroys other electronics. Why, I don't know. I think in the low EMS endings, more electronics get destroyed.
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Post by Gileadan on Mar 8, 2017 17:42:39 GMT
Drats, I'm on a business trip to Austria and can peek in only occasionally on mobile or tablet. So fascinating to see a new player reach the trilogy's ending! If it's any consolation, phoray, I think that Shepard actually dies at the Control ending. An AI is created with Shepard's personality as a template, but it's not some unholy necromancy like thing that captures her soul in a data bank or something. Rest well, Commander Shepard. You will see him across the sea. *snaps to attention and salutes*
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