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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 10, 2017 16:55:13 GMT
One topic I've not seen discussed by anyone on youtube or the forums is the helius clusters elephant in the room. I've heard Minius GC comment on it but hasn't gone too much depth into it. The supermassive black hole. Don't you think its odd that the andromeda initiative was sent to a region proximal to a SM black hole? Usually they are found in the centre of galaxies and it could be a small micro galaxy that merged with andromeda but I'm not sure about that.
In the ME universe, within the remnant vaults, peebe pretty much confirms that some of these vaults act like gravity wells. It could mean that the remnant mastered gravity with their technology. Now if the remnant were as advanced or more advanced than the Leviathans, it is theoretically possible they could have aritifically created that singularity. Also we're all assuming it is a black hole. It could possibly also be a wormhole which we have never seen in real life in our universe but mathematics states that wormholes create tunnels through space time, getting around the need for mass relays. If the andromeda initative sensors detected the formation of multiple SM blackholes or wormholes across the andromeda galaxy, one could hypothesise that they were being artifically created because that is not a natural occurrence.
And I would say someone would like to get their hands on that technology, especially if you coud use a wormhole to connect the MW to the aondromeda galaxies and go home. Some of the MW species live up to 1000 years, so it could be done in someones lifetime.
So perhaps the blackhole or wormhole is the remnant version of a masss relay. And perhaps you need to be technologically advanced to traverse it without being torn apart. This allows the remnant to traverse the galaxy but isolates lesser species with more primitive technoology such as those in the helius cluster. Thought?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 16:58:27 GMT
In the ME universe, within the remnant vaults, peebe pretty much confirms that some of these vaults act like gravity wells. It could mean that the remnant mastered gravity with their technology.? All I know is that Sir Isaac Newton is still the deadliest son of a bitch in space.
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Post by leonick on Feb 10, 2017 17:05:01 GMT
What makes you say it is supermassive and not a regular size black hole? (Galaxy map can in no way be expected to be to scale.)
Anyway, I'd be surprised if it doesn't play a role in the story and I wouldn't be surprised if the Ai has an interest in it. They would certainly have know about it before departure, if their scanners can pick up potential habitable worlds it'll detect the black hole. They must have had some reason to choose the Helios Cluster specifically.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 10, 2017 17:16:33 GMT
Something tells me "Exploration!" is going to be MEA's version for "Resources"
One word to answer anything that doesn't make sense.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Feb 10, 2017 17:16:50 GMT
What makes you say it is supermassive and not a regular size black hole? (Galaxy map can in no way be expected to be to scale.) Anyway, I'd be surprised if it doesn't play a role in the story and I wouldn't be surprised if the Ai has an interest in it. They would certainly have know about it before departure, if their scanners can pick up potential habitable worlds it'll detect the black hole. They must have had some reason to choose the Helios Cluster specifically. I don't think the galaxy map can get the scale that wrong. The black hole is 1000 times bigger than a star according to what is seen in the galaxy map whereas a normal black hole would be the size of a star in the galaxy map. Also eveything in the helius cluster looks to be revolving around it because its right in he centre. Thats a dead giveaway.
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Post by derrame on Feb 10, 2017 17:24:41 GMT
who are the remnants?
maybe the blackhole have no importance in MEA?
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Post by shepherdcommander on Feb 10, 2017 17:41:35 GMT
I think the blackhole is artificial and acts as a shield and cloak for kind of a galaxy-within-a-galaxy, kind of a parallel universe within the blackhole but like the FTL mass effect drive it is still technically in real space, just twisted up real space. I think the scourge surrounds the black hole as well as planets in the cluster and uses the blackholes power to terraform planets, doing things like levitating large rocks in the process as per habitat 7 i believe. all just theory on my end.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Feb 10, 2017 18:20:48 GMT
It's not a black hole, it's an extremely massive giant celestial body in which 80%> is made up of eezo. The remnant created it using the vaults as perhaps an infinite supply source of eezo. This is why we're going to Andromeda.
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Post by leonick on Feb 10, 2017 18:31:40 GMT
Planets as big as stars, mass relays bigger than planets, map scale is not to be trsuted.
If we trust the scale in any way then the term supermassive black hole won't even cover it, we'll need a new classification. Why? If it was to any sort of scale on the cluster map it should just be a dot or is more massive than anything we've observed. The supermassive black hole at the center of the milky way has an estimated 4 million solar masses and an estimated diameter of 44 million kilometers, to put that in perspective, the closest Mercury gets to the sun is 46 million kilometers.
Any star cluster would have systems orbiting around each other in some way, logical for it to be the black hole if one exists in the region.
The idea of it being a wormhole, artificial or not, is interesting though. They'll probably want to go beyond the Helios Cluster in future games and there won't be any mass relays.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 10, 2017 19:00:46 GMT
Watch this. It mentions the additional black holes in the galaxy. The Andromeda galaxy is almost twice the size of the Milky Way galaxy and has collided with other galaxies including many small galaxies. Very possible that we are in a galaxy inside a galaxy...whoa. I wrote a thread earlier about the Scourge being the major motif similar to Element zero/ mass effect. bsn.boards.net/thread/3736/scourge-new-mass-effect I think the "BlackHole" will be a big player in the over story. The scourge itself my even be caused by the Eezo possibly interacting with the hole/remnants/vaults
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Post by SofNascimento on Feb 10, 2017 19:01:48 GMT
Maybe we really are just going for the sake of exploration? If they create a really simple universe with Andromeda, then maybe that's enough reason.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 10, 2017 19:08:12 GMT
Black Holes would be a good move in terms of story because they are so mysterious and intringing. Hot topic for any space cadet's curiosity
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Post by Iakus on Feb 10, 2017 19:30:13 GMT
Maybe we really are just going for the sake of exploration? If they create a really simple universe with Andromeda, then maybe that's enough reason. With 99% of the Milky Way galaxy still unexplored? Might as well have done a hard reboot of the franchise then.
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Post by SofNascimento on Feb 10, 2017 19:47:38 GMT
Maybe we really are just going for the sake of exploration? If they create a really simple universe with Andromeda, then maybe that's enough reason. With 99% of the Milky Way galaxy still unexplored? Might as well have done a hard reboot of the franchise then. This is the kind of reasoning I'm expecting from Andromeda: “The Milky Way was so... been-there-done-that. Even if I hadn't done it, someone had.”
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Post by Iakus on Feb 10, 2017 19:49:40 GMT
With 99% of the Milky Way galaxy still unexplored? Might as well have done a hard reboot of the franchise then. This is the kind of reasoning I'm expecting from Andromeda: “The Milky Way was so... been-there-done-that. Even if I hadn't done it, someone had.” Given that's the quote they have for Peebee, I don't doubt it. Doesn't make it any less frakking stupid, though.
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