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Post by Kabraxal on Mar 25, 2017 7:26:10 GMT
Are we pulling "cultural appropriation" bullshit in a romance thread? Trying to claim a hairstyle can only be used by a certain sect iof people is narrow minded and wrong in the first place.... but derailing a thread about the adorablr Suvi over such ignorance is even more asinine. Christ, I just wanted to discuss this awesome chatacter......
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Post by Cassandra on Mar 25, 2017 10:48:43 GMT
That article is the problem. It is not a "black hairstyle" it's just a hairstyle. And it originated with black people Using it but it doesn't belong to anyone. There's no need so separate or hurt people any further over something like your hair. People are literally doing no damage by getting a different hairstyle so nobody should act like it's theirs or claim it. She thought she looked good in dreads so she put dreads on, out doesn't mean anything. Having a lady with short hair isn't stealing culture. Culture isn't tied to hair save few religious practices. Butch girls tend to like the hairstyle, but it doesn't mean they own it. A straight girl can wear it and the only affect it will have is maybe a gay girl thinks she's hot but can't date her; but it's something that may happen to straight guys who like gay girls too! And I was only saying that to explain that I wasn't trying to take your headcanon away from you. I wouldn't argue against what you said for any reason; I was simply giving the reason I said that. Like how you'll say she is Jewish. It won't be something to debate. I'll probably slip and casually call her Christian again. Doesn't mean I think anyone is wrong or mean for calling her Jewish just that it's what I'm used to and how I see things Funny thing about that. Actually history suggests dreads existed long before and has been linked to numerous cultures throughout human history, including Romans, Viking and Egyptians-- the latter of whom are believed to be where it originated. Simply put, the idea a hairstyle is owned and should only be associated with a single group of people is, well, complete nonsense.
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Post by miso9 on Mar 25, 2017 11:20:41 GMT
So I've read on some other forum that Suvi gets married with Kallo. What's this about??? Don't worry, it's just one of Jaal's little "pranks," where he teaches Liam an Angaran song, saying it was a sailor's song (if I remember this correctly) while it's actually an Angaran wedding ritual, which he then performed for Suvi and Kallo. So by Angaran standards you could say the two of them would unknowingly be wed, provided Liam is seen as the proper person to conduct such a ritual So devs thought it would be funny to make the only lesbian character get tricked into marrying a man? I understand it happens even if we romance her? And by the way, I tried to find it out for a while to no success, does she ever express her sexuality through the whole game or does she remain 'coded straight' unless we play a woman who hits on her - and even then is it ever made clear she is indeed a lesbian and not just happens to love Sara as a person, not a gender?
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Post by revydutch on Mar 25, 2017 12:03:03 GMT
Don't worry, it's just one of Jaal's little "pranks," where he teaches Liam an Angaran song, saying it was a sailor's song (if I remember this correctly) while it's actually an Angaran wedding ritual, which he then performed for Suvi and Kallo. So by Angaran standards you could say the two of them would unknowingly be wed, provided Liam is seen as the proper person to conduct such a ritual So devs thought it would be funny to make the only lesbian character get tricked into marrying a man? I understand it happens even if we romance her? And by the way, I tried to find it out for a while to no success, does she ever express her sexuality through the whole game or does she remain 'coded straight' unless we play a woman who hits on her - and even then is it ever made clear she is indeed a lesbian and not just happens to love Sara as a person, not a gender?
I haven't seen what happens when you try to flirt again with Suvi as maleryder, but I can tell you Suvi is 100% queercoded even if she never says "I just like chicks". It's the way her romance plays out that's very similar to the queer romantic experience; there's no "roles" like the straight and bi romances (unfortunately) have, some of the language Suvi uses is highly reminiscent of a queer person falling in love for the first time and realizing it's okay, that kind of stuff. Of course by the time shes met Ryder she's become comfortable in her sexuality, but she shows some insecurity about her queerness too which is normal and REALLY relatable. Tbh I think that's kinda brilliant how they pulled that off. Honestly, Gil and Suvi's romances are some of the most relatable gay content I've seen in a game ever. Maker bless Sheryl Chee~
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Post by Kaazmiin on Mar 25, 2017 12:42:22 GMT
Don't worry, it's just one of Jaal's little "pranks," where he teaches Liam an Angaran song, saying it was a sailor's song (if I remember this correctly) while it's actually an Angaran wedding ritual, which he then performed for Suvi and Kallo. So by Angaran standards you could say the two of them would unknowingly be wed, provided Liam is seen as the proper person to conduct such a ritual So devs thought it would be funny to make the only lesbian character get tricked into marrying a man? I understand it happens even if we romance her? And by the way, I tried to find it out for a while to no success, does she ever express her sexuality through the whole game or does she remain 'coded straight' unless we play a woman who hits on her - and even then is it ever made clear she is indeed a lesbian and not just happens to love Sara as a person, not a gender?
I'm not sure this happens if you romance her. Gils dialogue clearly indicates that he is homosexual (even outside the rejection scene for f!Ryder) and there's a guy on the Nexus who seems very interested in him. For Suvi, however, the rejection dialogue does not outright state that she is only interested in women and I have yet to hear any dialogue that indicates this. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but if this was done in order to not hurt any straight guys' feelings... well I consider it completely unnecessary (and cowardly) and this reasoning would be very poor. I think Suvi and Kallo were chosen for that scene, because very early dialogue already states that they are best friends, while none of the other squadmates get along so well right from the start.
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Post by revydutch on Mar 25, 2017 12:54:13 GMT
So devs thought it would be funny to make the only lesbian character get tricked into marrying a man? I understand it happens even if we romance her? And by the way, I tried to find it out for a while to no success, does she ever express her sexuality through the whole game or does she remain 'coded straight' unless we play a woman who hits on her - and even then is it ever made clear she is indeed a lesbian and not just happens to love Sara as a person, not a gender?
I'm not sure this happens if you romance her. Gils dialogue clearly indicates that he is homosexual (even outside the rejection scene for f!Ryder) and there's a guy on the Nexus who seems very interested in him. For Suvi, however, the rejection dialogue does not outright state that she is only interested in women and I have yet to hear any dialogue that indicates this. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but if this was done in order to not hurt any straight guys' feelings... well I consider it completely unnecessary (and cowardly) and this reasoning would be very poor. I think Suvi and Kallo were chosen for that scene, because very early dialogue already states that they are best friends, while none of the other squadmates get along so well right from the start. Also it's not permanent; Jaal says he'll undo it asap (also it's Angaran, are they even bound by those laws?). I can see why it's bothering people (and it kinda bothers me too when taken at face value), but I think we're kinda looking into it too much. Casual reminder that Actual Best Ally Kallo Jath ends up financially supporting the widowed (gay) wife of a dead pilot student of his. Also he and Suvi have a convo about relationships that you catch the tail end of if you're romancing Suvi, so he obviously understands. Finally, Casual reminder that Salarians are asexual/aromantic af.
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Post by thelastsupersaiyan87 on Mar 25, 2017 13:56:36 GMT
Also a very obvious reminder Suvi turns down m ryder fast but not f ryder and can only be romanced by f ryder. She's a lesbian and doesn't have to outright state it.
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Post by revydutch on Mar 25, 2017 14:53:42 GMT
Also a very obvious reminder Suvi turns down m ryder fast but not f ryder and can only be romanced by f ryder. She's a lesbian and doesn't have to outright state it. There is a bit of a problem in a meta-sense though, as pointed out previously. Gil very clearly tells you he's gay, where Suvi it's a bit more ambiguous to anyone who isn't queer. Bioware could have done better on that front but they probably didn't want to upset the straight male audience and make her a "lesbian fantasy" (which btw straight men is gross don't fetishize us thanks). But like I also said, Suvi and Gil's romances are VERY queer in nature, unlike (unfortunately) the bi romances which were thought of first with the straight option in mind. Kind of unfortunate that some of the videos I've seen on YouTube that are of Suvi's romance are like "HOT LESBIAN MASS EFFECT ANDROMEDA ROMANCE" when Suvi gets like. Three kisses. And yeah the romance is freaking adorable but it's like, even our tame romances are being fetishized now and it's gross. :/ If Bioware actually had her say "I'm not into men" they would have gotten a backlash and that's honestly really sad.
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Post by Ocelot on Mar 25, 2017 14:55:17 GMT
Some people you expect to be gay or straight could be the either. You shouldn't try to make everyone fit because of how they are...she can be short haired and tough but still want a boyfriend. Nowhere in her statement did she say that a tough woman with short hair, has to be a lesbian she was pointing out that Cora does shows signs of being attracted to the female form yet contradicts this and says she isn't into women. Personally I see them pulling a Kaiden and adding a Cora F/F romance down the road Cora doesnt show signs of beign attracted to woman. All she does during her loyalty mission is showing her admiration for the Asari.
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Post by revydutch on Mar 25, 2017 16:11:05 GMT
Nowhere in her statement did she say that a tough woman with short hair, has to be a lesbian she was pointing out that Cora does shows signs of being attracted to the female form yet contradicts this and says she isn't into women. Personally I see them pulling a Kaiden and adding a Cora F/F romance down the road Cora doesnt show signs of beign attracted to woman. All she does during her loyalty mission is showing her admiration for the Asari. Lol imagine being this straight
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 25, 2017 17:01:48 GMT
I do understand the sentiment I just think profiling is bad (which as you showed with the pic is accidental and inherent) but it can be really bad to try to claim things. I think it's okay if someone wants a haircut that seems to be from another group or culture or whatever. A girl once got bullied for wanting dreads (she was white) and it's fine if she wants dreads to me. She isn't stealing dreads from a black woman, she just likes it. And I like having long hair and I like girls with long hair so I don't like the idea that lesbians get short haircuts and Lon hair is assumed straight especially because my crush is the biggest girly girl ever and I don't want that to mean she's automatically not into me (even though statistically I know I can still imagine things!) And I wasn't trying to take any Suvi headcanons away. I just hear someone talk about God and think of christians. Most people where I am are Christians. She must've been smoking crack to think that she's one of us. I bully her ass too.
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Post by Ocelot on Mar 25, 2017 17:50:47 GMT
Cora doesnt show signs of beign attracted to woman. All she does during her loyalty mission is showing her admiration for the Asari. Lol imagine being this straight Yes this whole queer coding thing is silly. You dont see me saying that that Suvi is straight bait because she doesnt look like a lesbian?
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Mar 25, 2017 17:50:47 GMT
Hey everyone, this has probably been posted already, so ignore it if so. And everyone's probably done anyway, but I'm ssslllooowww Just thought it might be useful if you want to see the two paths you can take in the most adorkable and relatable scene in Mass Effect. I can't decide which I like better, wish I could say both And now I'll go back to playing because as I said, I'm slow! Hope everyone's doing well
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Post by revydutch on Mar 25, 2017 17:59:08 GMT
Lol imagine being this straight Yes this whole queer coding thing is silly. You dont see me saying that that Suvi is straight bait because she doesnt look like a lesbian? Queer people: this person is very relatable to the queer experience and this is why we think so Straight people: *think they have a say when they have no idea what they're talking about* Also what defines what a lesbian looks like? Not your straight ass.
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Post by SilentK on Mar 25, 2017 18:06:56 GMT
I all the little details in this game! This is a spoiler for those who haven't gotten a bit into the story. I love her sense of humor in naming the file, and I like to know that she gets of the ship and scouts around a bit when it is possible. This is from the forward station on Havarl (spelling?). The lush planet where Jaal was born.
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Post by Ocelot on Mar 25, 2017 18:15:31 GMT
Yes this whole queer coding thing is silly. You dont see me saying that that Suvi is straight bait because she doesnt look like a lesbian? Queer people: this person is very relatable to the queer experience and this is why we think so Straight people: *think they have a say when they have no idea what they're talking about* Also what defines what a lesbian looks like? Not your straight ass. Hence why I'm not defining what a lesbian looks like.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 18:20:42 GMT
I like what's been shown of Suvi's uniform. Does it have badges to identify her rank and privilege?
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Post by revydutch on Mar 25, 2017 18:25:55 GMT
Queer people: this person is very relatable to the queer experience and this is why we think so Straight people: *think they have a say when they have no idea what they're talking about* Also what defines what a lesbian looks like? Not your straight ass. Hence why I'm not defining what a lesbian looks like. That's... literally what you did...
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Post by Ocelot on Mar 25, 2017 18:34:51 GMT
Hence why I'm not defining what a lesbian looks like. That's... literally what you did... No I said that queer coding is silly in my eyes. Same goes for straight coding I guess.
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Post by revydutch on Mar 25, 2017 19:02:53 GMT
That's... literally what you did... No I said that queer coding is silly in my eyes. Same goes for straight coding I guess. lmao keep trying
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Post by Ocelot on Mar 25, 2017 19:07:53 GMT
No I said that queer coding is silly in my eyes. Same goes for straight coding I guess. lmao keep trying I think you missed my point here.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 25, 2017 19:09:39 GMT
Ocelot Just ignore them. It's clear they are just trying to pick a fight.
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Post by thelastsupersaiyan87 on Mar 25, 2017 19:13:53 GMT
dude if I were you I would just stop while you are ahead before you turn the entire thread against you, I swear why can't all straight males be like me lol. Anyway I'm off to finish up Voeld and get closer with Suvi
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Post by GordianKnot on Mar 25, 2017 19:22:52 GMT
Can we stop cluttering up this thread with SJW nonsense? Back to the topic of Suvi... So I read something in the spoilers forum about Ryder getting some special food for Suvi (and also for Vetra)? What kind of food does she want?
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Post by Ocelot on Mar 25, 2017 19:26:19 GMT
Ocelot Just ignore them. It's clear they are just trying to pick a fight. Alright I am willing to drop, I just think that my post was beign misunderstood.
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