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Post by Iddy on Sept 13, 2017 18:35:11 GMT
EDIT: Honestly, being the good Chantry boy that he is, it should really be as simple as the Divine sending him a letter to turn it over... Now I want to see all possible versions of this letter. Especially Cassandra's She would be very tactful and polite, for sure.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 13, 2017 18:53:41 GMT
Wow, I did not know that. I'll have to watch for it next time I play through the final battle. That would definitely make a difference though if it was only his presence that was encouraging its growth. Remember how at the beginning Varric is surprised to find red lyrium at the site of the explosion and whilst be is discussing it with Cassandra, Solas makes a comment about magic drawing on lyrium beneath the temple and corrupting it as being the cause. He clearly knew more than we realised at the time and of course the Shrine of Sacred Ashes would appear to have been a repurposed Shrine to Mythal.
I've been checking the end sequence and I'm not sure which lyrium outcrop you mean since there is definitely still one left after Solas has departed. However, if Corypheus was causing the growth of the red lyrium I think it was probably through the power of the orb. That seems to be a focus for magic and when Corypheus controls it I think it is drawing its power from the Void (hence it being red the colour of blighted lyrium). Then when the Inquisitor takes control it turns to green like the anchor, presumably now drawing power from the Fade. It was probably switching focus like this that over strained it, causing it to shatter.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 13, 2017 18:53:43 GMT
Now I want to see all possible versions of this letter. Especially Cassandra's She would be very tactful and polite, for sure. The one I'd most want to read would be Vivienne's...
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 13, 2017 22:07:20 GMT
You know what's unusual about the ending of this comic? It's actually a happy one. An all too rare thing in Dragon Age.
Victory did not come at a high price and the villains didn't secretly achieve their goals — they were totally foiled. Ser Aaron and Vaea are still friends despite the truth coming out about Vaea's thievery, Charter didn't have to kill her girlfriend to protect the Inquisition and Seneschal Granger got a bit of a comeuppance with the loss of his fancy pin.
Granted, a number of Starkhaven guardsmen are dead, but they likely would have died anyway when Marquette broke into the palace. Worse, Marquette would have probably gotten the journal. And there red lyrium in Tevinter, but now the Inquisition knows about it, so they can probably deal with it.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 13, 2017 22:17:33 GMT
You know what's unusual about the ending of this comic? It's actually a happy one. An all too rare thing in Dragon Age.
Victory did not come at a high price and the villains didn't secretly achieve their goals — they were totally foiled. Ser Aaron and Vaea are still friends despite the truth coming out about Vaea's thievery, Charter didn't have to kill her girlfriend to protect the Inquisition, and Seneschal Granger got a bit of a comeuppance with the loss of his fancy pin.
Granted, a number of Starkhaven guardsmen are dead, but they likely would have died anyway when Marquette broke into the palace and stole the journal. Worse, Marquette would have probably gotten the journal. And there red lyrium in Tevinter, but now the Inquisition knows about it, so they can probably deal with it./SPOILER} Well now you've jinxed the next comic
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 13, 2017 22:51:38 GMT
You know what's unusual about the ending of this comic? It's actually a happy one. An all too rare thing in Dragon Age.
Victory did not come at a high price and the villains didn't secretly achieve their goals — they were totally foiled. Ser Aaron and Vaea are still friends despite the truth coming out about Vaea's thievery, Charter didn't have to kill her girlfriend to protect the Inquisition, and Seneschal Granger got a bit of a comeuppance with the loss of his fancy pin.
Granted, a number of Starkhaven guardsmen are dead, but they likely would have died anyway when Marquette broke into the palace and stole the journal. Worse, Marquette would have probably gotten the journal. And there red lyrium in Tevinter, but now the Inquisition knows about it, so they can probably deal with it./SPOILER} Well now you've jinxed the next comic We'd like to announce our new series, Dragon Age: Solas Never Really Loved You.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 13, 2017 23:00:13 GMT
Well now you've jinxed the next comic We'd like to announce our new series, Dragon Age: Solas Never Really Loved You. So...Dragon Age: Trespasser?
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 14, 2017 0:45:16 GMT
Dragon Age: Trying To Ruffle Some Feathers And Failing...
Anyway - I recall watching one of Mike Laidlaw's streams a while ago and in it he mentioned that aside from what we have in terms of story or set-up, there are some themes they're purposefully putting in those comics and how increasingly relevant they are to what will happen next. Well, the one theme that is fairly obvious in KE, especially in last chapter, is passing of the torch.
I can't say it's surprising. DA does have markings of a tale of battle between generations, of old giving in to the new and all the issues that rise with it. And I assume that this might be a bigger theme in next story, aiming at more than a tale of passing the torch from old PC to new and may as well define not just the next installment, but potentially the series.
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Post by Iddy on Sept 14, 2017 11:34:14 GMT
I'm not sure if Vaea kissed the seneschal's cheek because she wanted to make peace or just to spite him. And honestly, I don't like the fact that Sebastian defended those two while they were lying to him. That shit isn't right.
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 14, 2017 14:19:31 GMT
I'm not sure if Vaea kissed the seneschal's cheek because she wanted to make peace or just to spite him. She wanted to steal Granger's fancy pin of office so she could hand it to the little elven boy.
Look closely at Granger before and after the smooch. You'll notice the pin on his chest disappears.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 0:50:19 GMT
I loved this comic! What a great ending.
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Post by Rascoth on Sept 16, 2017 21:35:26 GMT
Well, finished reading last issue and now I can honestly say it's my favourite DA comic. I love Ser Aaron and hope we'll see him again.
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Post by Fredward on Sept 17, 2017 7:33:26 GMT
Red lyrium as it was left in DAI seems like a bigger threat to Thedas than anything else. It grows, can't be easily destroyed, and has some serious side effects. Imagine it getting in an important water source. If it really died when Corypheus did I suppose it's a neat enough explanation but it actually really bothers me that we never addressed it considering what a huge problem it supposedly is.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 17, 2017 12:09:48 GMT
That's the problem for me. Maybe the cut scene did show that it had turned back to rock and maybe it didn't. It could just have been a graphics glitch and nothing more. I think they should have been a bit clearer if it was intended that the growth of the red lyrium was tied to the presence of Corypheus or his use of the orb, so that we knew the problem had been resolved when he/the orb was destroyed. At present one of my theories for why Solas feels he has no choice but to drop the Veil is that the world is doomed either way because of the growth of red lyrium but if he drops the Veil then it is possible that the influx of magic will cleanse the world or red lyrium/the Blight.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 17, 2017 12:26:41 GMT
That's the problem for me. Maybe the cut scene did show that it had turned back to rock and maybe it didn't. It could just have been a graphics glitch and nothing more. I think they should have been a bit clearer if it was intended that the growth of the red lyrium was tied to the presence of Corypheus or his use of the orb, so that we knew the problem had been resolved when he/the orb was destroyed. At present one of my theories for why Solas feels he has no choice but to drop the Veil is that the world is doomed either way because of the growth of red lyrium but if he drops the Veil then it is possible that the influx of magic will cleanse the world or red lyrium/the Blight. Well, when we first enter the Temple of Sacred Ashes to deal with the Breach in the prologue, Solas mentions that 'magic might have drawn lyrium from beneath the temple and corrupted it", so I'm not sure about magic cleansing the Blight - especially that we have reasons to believe that Blight existed in Veilless times and it's possible that either it spreading or some other threat linked with it was the reason why Solas created the Veil in the first place. That, of course, doesn't mean that he doesn't think that the world is doomed either way, for whatever reason and that the Blight might be involved. I keep bringing up this banter, but it does seem quite significant: Solas: The Grey Wardens allow elves and dwarves into their ranks? Varric: Qunari too I imagine. They don't care about titles or blood, just stopping the Blight. Solas: A pity they do it so badly then. Blackwall: Would you care to repeat that? Solas: Argue if you like, your fight against the darkspawn is noble, but what progress have you made? Varric: Give them some credit, it's not like you can study the Blight safely. I may not like everything they've done, but without the Wardens, we'd all be blighted by now. Solas: They've bought us some time, I will grant them that.They've bought US some time... Solas counts himself into this, as he does everyone else.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 17, 2017 12:49:36 GMT
Yes, I entirely agree with you there. That speech is why I feel the Blight is connected with his plans in some way. Remember it is the belief of the Promissors that the only way to cleanse the world of corruption in all its forms (including the Blight) is for the current world to be destroyed in fire. Solas speaks of a fiery chaos connected with lowering the Veil.
Whilst the Blight may have existed pre-Veil that was likely as a result of some action by the Evanuris. I think originally raising the Veil helped prevent the spread of the Blight, probably by trapping it within the Golden/Black City in some way and the Magisters breaching the wards allowed it to infect them and escape. The "whisperer" who encouraged them to go there probably intended for this to happen.
The Blight may not be the only reason Solas feels he has no alternative but to restore the world to its previous Veil-less state but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with it.
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Post by tacsear on Sept 17, 2017 12:56:59 GMT
So if it is good I will buy it
EDIT: Nevermind. Paperback version will be available in January 2018 for the whole comic.
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 17, 2017 16:37:42 GMT
I have to admit that red lyrium would seem to be one of the worst kept secrets in Thedas. We may have stopped the operation on the Storm Coast but particularly if you do the Hushed Whispers path the stuff is growing everywhere. Then the person studying it at Sulevin Keep says that it will grow on just about anything organic, at which point I did wonder if the world was doomed regardless of what anyone else does. I feel sure I'm missing something somewhere. The comics always seem to ascribe more importance to their protagonists' activities than would seem warranted from what we know from playing the games. After the fight with Corypheus the red lyrium present in Temple Of Sacred Ashes there's a small shot where red lyrium is shown to stop glowing and turning into a rock - so I think whatever Cory was doing, he was somehow influencing the growth of red lyrium. It may not be as common now as we think it is, with maybe the lyrium which didn't have its growth artificially influenced remaining at its full power. Having re-watched the ending, I'm not sure what you're referring to, Tea. The red lyrium stays red and glowing even after Corypheus is dead. There are rocks crashing to the ground, but those were regular rocks lifted into the air by the Breach, which causes a sort of anti-gravity effect.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 17, 2017 18:28:08 GMT
I was also wondering about how they're managing the spread of red lyrium, so I fired off a tweet Mike & Patrick. Maybe we'll get some clarification...
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Post by phoray on Sept 21, 2017 16:02:24 GMT
I just read the whole comic in an hour.
So, they start with a city elf, Vaea, you can only hate for her total lack of nobility, no matter her Robin Hooding... mash a bunch of people together for the sake of telling the story they want to tell. Redeem, sort of, Vaea by the end.
There was a couple laughs, one very strongly sad moment, some outrage on my part when I thought Vaea was going to let Aaron take the fall. They did succeed in getting me invested.
however, as exciting as all that was, in the end, it was just some... Tevinter has got some red lyrium. Like... wouldn't that be supremely easy to do, considering how it grew everywhere? there was no way from keeping their hands off it. It was all rather underwhelming. Who did the research on red lyrium and how is their research so much better than what Tevinter researchers could find out, considering they lack the ethics any other researcher may have in Southern Thedas?
The danger they've prevented is just kinda... underwhelming.
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 21, 2017 16:14:37 GMT
I just read the whole comic in an hour. So, they start with a city elf, Vaea, you can only hate for her total lack of nobility, no matter her Robin Hooding... mash a bunch of people together for the sake of telling the story they want to tell. Redeem, sort of, Vaea by the end. There was a couple laughs, one very strongly sad moment, some outrage on my part when I thought Vaea was going to let Aaron take the fall. They did succeed in getting me invested. however, as exciting as all that was, in the end, it was just some... Tevinter has got some red lyrium. Like... wouldn't that be supremely easy to do, considering how it grew everywhere? there was no way from keeping their hands off it. It was all rather underwhelming. Who did the research on red lyrium and how is their research so much better than what Tevinter researchers could find out, considering they lack the ethics any other researcher may have in Southern Thedas? The danger they've prevented is just kinda... underwhelming. They seem to be using it to help set up things for the next dragon age. We might see Aaron and Vaea in DA4, at least as npcs. Also I don't think Vaea "totally" lacks nobility; she seems to be a basically good person, just cynical from her life experiences. Understandable really; if anyone has the most reason to be cynical, it's the elves of thedas
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Post by phoray on Sept 21, 2017 16:22:52 GMT
We speak about that Hawke didn't kill Anders. Justice still trapped in his body. Yep, that's the situation I'm referring to also. I don't buy that Justice is trapped. Considering that the Avvar make use of temporary possession, I'm guessing Justice just didn't know how to leave. Spirits don't have a great sense of direction, outside the Fade. That's why they often accidentally possess corpses and trees. With a bright enough path leading to another person (say, if that person was reaaaaally angry), and a power boost due to Anders' big act of revenge, Justice would have an easier time hopping bodies. AS interesting as this theory is, Sebastion is being a pretty boring prince at his birthday party in this comic. Very calm. Definitely does not have a possessed appearance or action
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Post by phoray on Sept 21, 2017 16:24:46 GMT
I just read the whole comic in an hour. So, they start with a city elf, Vaea.... The danger they've prevented is just kinda... underwhelming. They seem to be using it to help set up things for the next dragon age. We might see Aaron and Vaea in DA4, at least as npcs. Also I don't think Vaea "totally" lacks nobility; she seems to be a basically good person, just cynical from her life experiences. Understandable really; if anyone has the most reason to be cynical, it's the elves of thedas Eh. Any elf can do that. I cared more about Aaron at the end of the comic than Vaea. Disliked Charter and the two magekiller characters even more. And no one thinks Aaron is going to come back in DA4 even though he's the best character of the pile.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 21, 2017 16:29:34 GMT
They seem to be using it to help set up things for the next dragon age. We might see Aaron and Vaea in DA4, at least as npcs. Also I don't think Vaea "totally" lacks nobility; she seems to be a basically good person, just cynical from her life experiences. Understandable really; if anyone has the most reason to be cynical, it's the elves of thedas Eh. Any elf can do that. I cared more about Aaron at the end of the comic than Vaea. Disliked Charter and the two magekiller characters even more. And no one thinks Aaron is going to come back in DA4 even though he's the best character of the pile. I think he might. In fact part of me feels like they are doing these comics to set up the characters for the next game, with them being our companions and/or important NPCs.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 21, 2017 16:31:04 GMT
I just read the whole comic in an hour. So, they start with a city elf, Vaea, you can only hate for her total lack of nobility, no matter her Robin Hooding... mash a bunch of people together for the sake of telling the story they want to tell. Redeem, sort of, Vaea by the end. There was a couple laughs, one very strongly sad moment, some outrage on my part when I thought Vaea was going to let Aaron take the fall. They did succeed in getting me invested. however, as exciting as all that was, in the end, it was just some... Tevinter has got some red lyrium. Like... wouldn't that be supremely easy to do, considering how it grew everywhere? there was no way from keeping their hands off it. It was all rather underwhelming. Who did the research on red lyrium and how is their research so much better than what Tevinter researchers could find out, considering they lack the ethics any other researcher may have in Southern Thedas? The danger they've prevented is just kinda... underwhelming. Apparently, it's not so easy. Which doesn't really surprise me if lyrium indeed starts affecting people if they're exposed to it for too long, so there's no way of telling whether they set shipments of it... and it never arrived. You also can't forget that Qunari were on the lookout for any red lyrium shipment - after all, the whole Qunari mission with Iron Bull centered around stopping Venatori from shipping red lyrium to Tevinter and there's no reason to assume that they stopped after one failed/successful mission. Inquisition also spends considerable time and resources to track all lyrium shipments and destroying them and after Cory was killed, it likely became a priority. Also - who infested Thedas with red lyrium? Corypheus himself with his Venatori lackeys. So even if they've had problem shipping red lyrium to Tevinter, they likely had knowledge not even Inquisition was privy to. After all Cory knew how to grow the stuff and where to do it best. So research in this journal was likely quite advanced. We also don't know the author. What if it was Imshael himself? Of course, there's also no telling whether - in the meantime - Inquisition discovered something about red lyrium that we yet don't know about, considering it happened sometime after events in the game, which is perhaps why hunting down any research and pieces of red lyrium became even more of a priority. Unless, of course, it's a red (ha, pun!) herring and the whole thing is a set up. I mean... it IS pretty obviously a set up, but we don't yet know if this is just about red lyrium.
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