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Post by midnight tea on Sept 21, 2017 16:32:12 GMT
They seem to be using it to help set up things for the next dragon age. We might see Aaron and Vaea in DA4, at least as npcs. Also I don't think Vaea "totally" lacks nobility; she seems to be a basically good person, just cynical from her life experiences. Understandable really; if anyone has the most reason to be cynical, it's the elves of thedas Eh. Any elf can do that. I cared more about Aaron at the end of the comic than Vaea. Disliked Charter and the two magekiller characters even more. And no one thinks Aaron is going to come back in DA4 even though he's the best character of the pile. No one thinks Aaron is going back...? I'm fairly sure I've seen people expressing hope that he will.
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Post by phoray on Sept 21, 2017 16:35:47 GMT
Eh. Any elf can do that. I cared more about Aaron at the end of the comic than Vaea. Disliked Charter and the two magekiller characters even more. And no one thinks Aaron is going to come back in DA4 even though he's the best character of the pile. No one thinks Aaron is going back...? I'm fairly sure I've seen people expressing hope that he will. He's still got his battle skills, but he's not very snogable to a young sort, is he? Although Blackwall is an LI despite being seemingly in his 40s. He also seems to be resolved to be over his past trauma as well (since he's so Okay with Vaea forcing his sobriety), so what would his Loyalty mission be about?
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Post by phoray on Sept 21, 2017 16:40:30 GMT
Solas: The Grey Wardens allow elves and dwarves into their ranks? Varric: Qunari too I imagine. They don't care about titles or blood, just stopping the Blight. Solas: A pity they do it so badly then. Blackwall: Would you care to repeat that? Solas: Argue if you like, your fight against the darkspawn is noble, but what progress have you made? Varric: Give them some credit, it's not like you can study the Blight safely. I may not like everything they've done, but without the Wardens, we'd all be blighted by now. Solas: They've bought us some time, I will grant them that.They've bought US some time... Solas counts himself into this, as he does everyone else. Not related to you, MT, but this comment by Solas just ticks me off so much. He's so smart and powerful and what has HE been doing while all this drama has unfolded? Absolutely FUCKING NOTHING. He's been sleeping. And as he watched the events unfold, did he hold his breath, hoping the Grey Wardens would "stall the Blight" once more? Surely he DID? but now that it's all "the past" he can scoff at them and their "minimal badly done" offerings.
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Post by phoray on Sept 21, 2017 16:49:03 GMT
Ser Aaron just got added to Heroes of Dragon Age. That was FAST. @heroesofdaNot a soul in Thedas could hit harder, drink longer or tell a better tale than 2-Star Ser Aaron Hawthorne. At least, if you ask him. Vaea got added too, but they haven't tweeted any art of her yet. Strange they have him in Warden Armor here (unless he secretly is a Warden...). I predicted that there would be a Warden in DA4, because every game so far has had one in some form. Alistair, the new recruit, Anders, the ex Warden, Blackwall, the fake Warden who could become a new one. I'm excited. I want more Ser Aaron.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 21, 2017 16:51:12 GMT
Solas: The Grey Wardens allow elves and dwarves into their ranks? Varric: Qunari too I imagine. They don't care about titles or blood, just stopping the Blight. Solas: A pity they do it so badly then. Blackwall: Would you care to repeat that? Solas: Argue if you like, your fight against the darkspawn is noble, but what progress have you made? Varric: Give them some credit, it's not like you can study the Blight safely. I may not like everything they've done, but without the Wardens, we'd all be blighted by now. Solas: They've bought us some time, I will grant them that.They've bought US some time... Solas counts himself into this, as he does everyone else. Not related to you, MT, but this comment by Solas just ticks me off so much. He's so smart and powerful and what has HE been doing while all this drama has unfolded? Absolutely FUCKING NOTHING. He's been sleeping. And as he watched the events unfold, did he hold his breath, hoping the Grey Wardens would "stall the Blight" once more? Surely he DID? but now that it's all "the past" he can scoff at them and their "minimal badly done" offerings. Such anger only works... if you assume that Solas was "just sleeping" and observing. But we have enough information to assume that it wasn't the case. First off - he didn't just sleep. From his comments and comments in Vir Dirthara we can infer that he was knocked unconscious for millenia by the sheer effort of creating the Veil. It's not surprising, it is a world-encompassing barrier that pushes away magic from the world. The effort was so huge in fact, that Solas woke up 'still weak' a mere year before events of Inquisition. Second - we can't tell how many attempts he made to try and contact or advise people via Fade. We do know however that his agents were actively working in Thedas while he was sleeping (TME events happened before he awoke). He also seems fairly bitter that people seem to have forgotten or shunned him. He does tell (disliked Inquisitor) that he is tired of fighting and of not being heeded. So no matter how long it lasted, it doesn't seem that his millenia-long nap was vacations or mere observer-mode for him. Oh - and I don't think that Fereldan fondness for dogs and WOLVES comes out of nowhere. In fact for Alamarri the wolf was sacred as they believed that "it was created by the gods to be both a guide and protector for mankind" (form DA tabletop RPG). I doubt this is a coincidence.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 21, 2017 16:58:49 GMT
No one thinks Aaron is going back...? I'm fairly sure I've seen people expressing hope that he will. He's still got his battle skills, but he's not very snogable to a young sort, is he? Although Blackwall is an LI despite being seemingly in his 40s. He also seems to be resolved to be over his past trauma as well (since he's so Okay with Vaea forcing his sobriety), so what would his Loyalty mission be about? I'm not sure he's past his trauma. We only see Vaea throw away his wine sack on literally last pages of the comic, but that's hardly "oh, he's past his addiction which means he's past something he drinks so heavily like he's trying to forget it". If anything, the reason he's in DA4 may not be to have an arc centering about resolving his past trauma, but perhaps about being a moral compass. He may as well be struggling to preserve his ideals in times that are obviously not kind to them (possibly another reason he drinks heavily). He does, after all, have good influence on Vaea and he seems to be generally liked for being such a stand up guy by readers.
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 21, 2017 17:02:47 GMT
That is what it reads like. Though both that and Varric's note from Trespasser are unclear about what other red lyrium there is besides Meredith. From the comic, it looks like the Gallows are still being quarantined. During DAI, it seemed like the red lyrium in the Gallows was growing out of control. However, Varric's codex in Trespasser indicates that they managed to clear most of it away. They were working on this problem during DAI proper, so it's obvious that some kind of disposal method was worked out. Agreed. Based on the ambient dialogue in the EdL keep about researching destroying red lyrium as well as the difference in the war table's stance of "we can't clear it" to Varric's Trespasser codex as "we cleared it" I think that's good supporting evidence that the comics take place around the one to one and a half year mark between defeating Cory and the start of Trespasser. It would make sense if the Inquisition (with a guilty Bianca's help?) researched a safe method of disposing of red lyrium after Cory's threat was gone. We know that the Inquisitor was busy closing rifts in that 2 year period, so it would make sense that other members of the Inquisition would be helping with other clean up efforts. This point seems worth making again.
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 21, 2017 17:05:41 GMT
Solas: The Grey Wardens allow elves and dwarves into their ranks? Varric: Qunari too I imagine. They don't care about titles or blood, just stopping the Blight. Solas: A pity they do it so badly then. Blackwall: Would you care to repeat that? Solas: Argue if you like, your fight against the darkspawn is noble, but what progress have you made? Varric: Give them some credit, it's not like you can study the Blight safely. I may not like everything they've done, but without the Wardens, we'd all be blighted by now. Solas: They've bought us some time, I will grant them that.They've bought US some time... Solas counts himself into this, as he does everyone else. Not related to you, MT, but this comment by Solas just ticks me off so much. He's so smart and powerful and what has HE been doing while all this drama has unfolded? Absolutely FUCKING NOTHING. He's been sleeping. And as he watched the events unfold, did he hold his breath, hoping the Grey Wardens would "stall the Blight" once more? Surely he DID? but now that it's all "the past" he can scoff at them and their "minimal badly done" offerings. Yes, the flaw in Solas' condemnation of the Wardens is that he doesn't present any better solutions to ending Blights. Perhaps he has some secret knowledge about the Old Gods that would offer some other way of defeating the darkspawn, but until he deigns to share that knowledge, aiming a Grey Warden at an Archdemon remains the only way.
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Post by Iddy on Sept 21, 2017 18:40:04 GMT
They seem to be using it to help set up things for the next dragon age. We might see Aaron and Vaea in DA4, at least as npcs. Also I don't think Vaea "totally" lacks nobility; she seems to be a basically good person, just cynical from her life experiences. Understandable really; if anyone has the most reason to be cynical, it's the elves of thedas Eh. Any elf can do that. I cared more about Aaron at the end of the comic than Vaea. Disliked Charter and the two magekiller characters even more. And no one thinks Aaron is going to come back in DA4 even though he's the best character of the pile. What is wrong with Charter?
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Post by phoray on Sept 21, 2017 18:52:59 GMT
Eh. Any elf can do that. I cared more about Aaron at the end of the comic than Vaea. Disliked Charter and the two magekiller characters even more. And no one thinks Aaron is going to come back in DA4 even though he's the best character of the pile. What is wrong with Charter? She barges in and tells Vaea she's working for the Inquisition with little preamble. And apparently they wouldn't have bothered coming after these spies at all if she weren't boinking one of them, so... ya.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 21, 2017 18:57:13 GMT
What is wrong with Charter? She barges in and tells Vaea she's working for the Inquisition with little preamble. And apparently they wouldn't have bothered coming after these spies at all if she weren't boinking one of them, so... ya. ... Or that's what they'd want you to believe.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 21, 2017 18:58:15 GMT
Well for a start off the fact that she blackmails someone into doing her dirty work for her. Why she can't resolve the mess her agents created on her own is beyond me.
Also the fact she uses the wrong agents for the job initially. Tessa and Marius are specialist mage killers, so why does she use them to carry out a theft?
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 21, 2017 19:02:07 GMT
Well for a start off the fact that she blackmails someone into doing her dirty work for her. Why she can't resolve the mess her agents created on her own is beyond me. I don't really think this was about 'doing dirty work' as much as recruiting Vaea (and, potentially, Ser Aaron). In fact Varric makes it quite clear that he sees potential in her and I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled strings for Charter to get her involved.
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Post by phoray on Sept 21, 2017 19:04:21 GMT
Well for a start off the fact that she blackmails someone into doing her dirty work for her. Why she can't resolve the mess her agents created on her own is beyond me. I don't really think this was about 'doing dirty work' as much as recruiting Vaea (and, potentially, Ser Aaron). In fact Varric makes it quite clear that he sees potential in her and I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled strings for Charter to get her involved. So the magekillers bunging up a sensitive mission was just a prime way to "test" Vaea? That's pretty convoluted and dangerous.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 21, 2017 19:10:55 GMT
I don't really think this was about 'doing dirty work' as much as recruiting Vaea (and, potentially, Ser Aaron). In fact Varric makes it quite clear that he sees potential in her and I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled strings for Charter to get her involved. So the magekillers bunging up a sensitive mission was just a prime way to "test" Vaea? That's pretty convoluted and dangerous. No, I think they genuinely were in trouble. But opportunity presented itself and Charter/Varric jumped on the occasion. As for why... In the first pages of comic Ser Aaron tells the folks who listen to his story that his title as the landless knight allows him to travel across all of Thedas. With skilled thief in tow, he presents an excellent cover up for any sensitive mission. Also, from what we've seen he's also a badass fighter who is way more aware of things (he knew of Vaea's thieving and playing Robin Hood) than he lets it. A decent pair to be recruited.
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 21, 2017 20:03:44 GMT
Vaea was recruited to save Marius and Tessa because she's a skilled thief and she was technically unconnected to the Inquisition, so there's an element of plausible deniability if she was caught.
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Post by phoray on Sept 21, 2017 20:08:27 GMT
But how does Varric know any of that. Meeting up with Vaea like was done was uber convenient, like they'd manipulated them into leaving Fereldan to meet with Varric in the first place. Varric is smart, but he's not a mind reader and unless he stalked them prior to their arrival long enough to find out Vaea was a theif, and a talented one, he arranged a meeting tween Vaea and Charter on the words "Good with a Saddle" alone.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 21, 2017 20:27:07 GMT
But how does Varric know any of that. Meeting up with Vaea like was done was uber convenient, like they'd manipulated them into leaving Fereldan to meet with Varric in the first place. Varric is smart, but he's not a mind reader and unless he stalked them prior to their arrival long enough to find out Vaea was a theif, and a talented one, he arranged a meeting tween Vaea and Charter on the words "Good with a Saddle" alone. Since Inquisition probably searched for "people Solas doesn't know" from the start, they likely kept an eye for potential candidates for some time. Also - I don't think Varric is responsible for "mind reading", most of it is likely Inquisition intel. I'm not sure I'm buying that they arranged Ser Hawthorne to visiting Kirkwall, but they may have informed Varric who will be coming to Kirkwal for celebration. I'm fairly sure Ser Aaron would have traveled on his own anyhow, since both men seem to appreciate their background as storytellers.
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 21, 2017 20:32:14 GMT
But how does Varric know any of that. Meeting up with Vaea like was done was uber convenient, like they'd manipulated them into leaving Fereldan to meet with Varric in the first place. Varric is smart, but he's not a mind reader and unless he stalked them prior to their arrival long enough to find out Vaea was a theif, and a talented one, he arranged a meeting tween Vaea and Charter on the words "Good with a Saddle" alone. Well, Charter had obviously done some digging and learned about Vaea prior to hiring her.
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Post by phoray on Sept 21, 2017 20:39:35 GMT
But how does Varric know any of that. Meeting up with Vaea like was done was uber convenient, like they'd manipulated them into leaving Fereldan to meet with Varric in the first place. Varric is smart, but he's not a mind reader and unless he stalked them prior to their arrival long enough to find out Vaea was a theif, and a talented one, he arranged a meeting tween Vaea and Charter on the words "Good with a Saddle" alone. Well, the Charter had obviously done some digging and learned about Vaea prior to hiring her. Then Vaea is actually a pretty terrible thief in that even an Orlesion Venatori can figure out her MO and she additionally garners the attention of the Inquisition spy master. So they should not hire her / test her to save Charter's lover.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 21, 2017 20:51:38 GMT
Well, the Charter had obviously done some digging and learned about Vaea prior to hiring her. Then Vaea is actually a pretty terrible thief in that even an Orlesion Venatori can figure out her MO and she additionally garners the attention of the Inquisition spy master. So they should not hire her / test her to save Charter's lover. Actually, the Orlesian was surprised that the 'seeds' he planted turned out to be true and Vaea is indeed a thief - he just wanted to frame her. Also - whether anybody knows of her misdeeds is irrelevant to her effectiveness as a thief, nor the fact that nobody would really be able to link her to Inquisition.
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 21, 2017 20:55:56 GMT
I'll note that there's no indication Marquette was aligned with the Venatori.
Yes, his allies were Tevinter, but the Venatori generally dressed their melee fighters in entirely different uniforms (those spiky helmets with the holes).
Also, the Venatori displayed little interest in red lyrium beyond a scheme to dose Tevinter slaves with it. Otherwise, they generally tried to avoid it.
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 22, 2017 2:05:48 GMT
Mind if I do a little test? I want to see if I'm in the minority here.
Who all wants to see Vaea as a romance option in the next DA?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 2:21:11 GMT
I want to see Ser Aaron as a romance option. He's a lot more relevant to my interests as a straight, 40-something female gamer. I wonder if he went AWOL from the Wardens at Ostagar, much to his eternal shame. Everyone who would know one way or the other is dead.
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 22, 2017 2:56:39 GMT
I want to see Ser Aaron as a romance option. He's a lot more relevant to my interests as a straight, 40-something female gamer. I wonder if he went AWOL from the Wardens at Ostagar, much to his eternal shame. Everyone who would know one way or the other is dead. It would explain why he has warden armor in heroes of dragon age and why he supposedly so close and trusted by King Alistair. Also I wouldn't mind him being a companion; he makes me think of a more jovial and laidback version of keldorn from balders gate for some reason
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