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Post by laxian on Feb 17, 2017 0:28:56 GMT
Hey guys, I don't know about you, but: It kind of seems that we only have "in your face motherfucker" kind of squadmates in this game! With the exception of Peebee all the squadmates revealed so far seem to favor close quarter combat! I mean, let's count down - shall we? 1. Liam who's favourite weapons are dual Omni-Blades (that's telling IMHO, he also seems a soldier archetype (don't consider him a tech, haven't seen enough about him for that)) 2. Vetra who is a tank with a shieldboost kind of ability (soldier archetype it seems) 3. Drak who loves his shotgun and is also a kind of tank (and a soldier archetype, too) 4. Cora loves a shotgun as her gun of choice, too and she's a Vanguard-Archetype (charging in an killing stuff up close!) 5. Peebee seems the only exception with her favourite weapon being a pistol and her being a typical Asari-Style biotic! 6. Jaal? We don't know much about him, so I don't know! So in the end I have to ask: Where's the sniper-archetypes, the infiltrators, the tech/engineer types? Damned, we can't go in everywhere guns blazing, that gets really old after a while and frankly: Having mostly soldiers is fucking boring (we can't change out their abilities, can we?) Well, what do you guys think? greetings LAX
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 0:32:56 GMT
Yeah I noticed that too. And Jaal uses a Sniper, but we don't know what he prefers.
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Post by laxian on Feb 17, 2017 0:55:21 GMT
I have no objections to characters with charge attacks; they own. The characters have good taste. Armor skills? Boring. How dare you, Vetra? Generally I don't have a problem with this either, but if it's nearly all of them, then it's kind of ridiculous! 4 out of 6 favor close quarter combat and two already are a soldier archetype (and another is maybe one, too) and we don't know what Jaal does (if he's kind of like Garrus or if he also prefers up close and personal) greetings LAX
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Post by ProbeAway on Feb 17, 2017 1:07:59 GMT
I wouldn't assume that Vetra is a tank. I'm tipping that she is an engineer and her armour power is for survivability. Kinda like defence matrix.
But it does seem excessive that, at the very least, Cora, Liam and Drack will all be CQC fighters. That's half the squad.
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Post by marshalmoriarty on Feb 17, 2017 1:26:44 GMT
This wouldn't bother me, as I prefer close in combat (I almost always play Vanguard, even back before Charge existed, my first ME1 character and canon character are all Vanguards).
It strikes at one of the main beefs I have in Mass Effect's universe - that I find it hard to take ranged only combat heroes seriously, at least when we are talking main heroes and player characters etc. The idea that they are a great warrior just because they have good aim and higher tech shielding etc feels hollow to me compared to being a lightsaber wielding mage knight in Star Wars etc.
I don't dismiss the virtues of ranged combat heroes (most first person shooters have such heroes etc), and of course the argument in real life is that this kind of desire for honorable combat to prove personal strength etc was forcibly ripped from us at around the time of the Great War. But I must say that for myself, I feel much more invested in a character if I'm getting stuck in and taking the enemy on face to face.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 1:42:15 GMT
I wouldn't assume that Vetra is a tank. I'm tipping that she is an engineer and her armour power is for survivability. Kinda like defence matrix. But it does seem excessive that, at the very least, Cora, Liam and Drack will all be CQC fighters. That's half the squad. So far Vetra is going to be my regular companion if everyone's CQC starts to cause me grief. If we do get a Sniper that prefers to attack from the distance, then I might take one of the others with me when exploring. During loyalty missions I'll just hope for the best and see who works best with who. We've already heard Cora and Drack are a pretty good match!
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Post by ProbeAway on Feb 17, 2017 2:57:43 GMT
I wouldn't assume that Vetra is a tank. I'm tipping that she is an engineer and her armour power is for survivability. Kinda like defence matrix. But it does seem excessive that, at the very least, Cora, Liam and Drack will all be CQC fighters. That's half the squad. So far Vetra is going to be my regular companion if everyone's CQC starts to cause me grief. If we do get a Sniper that prefers to attack from the distance, then I might take one of the others with me when exploring. During loyalty missions I'll just hope for the best and see who works best with who. We've already heard Cora and Drack are a pretty good match! I tend to gravitate towards mid-range, jack-of-all-trades characters anyway, with a preference for crowd control, so having CQC companions shouldn't matter too much. On the other hand, I generally play normal difficulty. On higher difficulty levels I can see the value in having risk/reward types to cause enough damage to enemies quickly (eg rogues in DAI), but on normal I value survivability in my squad mates as priority #1. Nothing irritates me more than a character who keeps getting downed every time I'm not babysitting them. It's the main reason I didn't use Mordin much in ME2, outside of the husk missions. Hopefully Cora's AI is decent enough to keep her alive. If not, Vetra, Jaal or Peebee might be making an appearance! I'm thinking Drack will be ok with his health regen.
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Post by Serza on Feb 17, 2017 6:52:49 GMT
They're there to compensate for my own extreme long range cheeki breeki with sniper rifles and assault rifles.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 17, 2017 6:54:27 GMT
Vetra is actually a midrange fighter given her assault rifle, as well as Peebee. With Jaal being likely a sniper, we have 3 on close range and 3 on mid-long range.
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Post by Vall on Feb 17, 2017 7:24:02 GMT
I wouldn't assume that Vetra is a tank. I'm tipping that she is an engineer and her armour power is for survivability. Kinda like defence matrix. But it does seem excessive that, at the very least, Cora, Liam and Drack will all be CQC fighters. That's half the squad. That's what I was thinking. Practically minded engineer smuggler/merc who upgraded her armor for increased protection.
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Post by Gileadan on Feb 17, 2017 7:32:44 GMT
What all this "favorite weapon" stuff is making me wonder about is whether our squad can actually be equipped with other weapons than their default ones or whether they're sticking to them all the time like Varric to his Bianca. If that is the case, then Ryder better brings the long range boom boom.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 7:43:00 GMT
I got the feeling that PeeBee is the tech-savvy member of the squad. I think there was some tweets about it. Can't bother to go and find them though.
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Post by ProbeAway on Feb 17, 2017 8:35:14 GMT
I got the feeling that PeeBee is the tech-savvy member of the squad. I think there was some tweets about it. Can't bother to go and find them though. I vaguely recall the devs talking about her tech skills too. My feeling is they did this to emphasise that she wasn't a pure biotic because it gives her another point of difference when compared to the Asari stereotype.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 17, 2017 8:37:56 GMT
What all this "favorite weapon" stuff is making me wonder about is whether our squad can actually be equipped with other weapons than their default ones or whether they're sticking to them all the time like Varric to his Bianca. If that is the case, then Ryder better brings the long range boom boom. I'd go with then just being their favorites, since Liam otherwise won't have a gun We saw characters with different type of weapons. I think they'll be able to have at least two.
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Post by laxian on Feb 17, 2017 10:11:02 GMT
I got the feeling that PeeBee is the tech-savvy member of the squad. I think there was some tweets about it. Can't bother to go and find them though. If that is the case, then we have even less biotic ranged characters (none to be exact - unless Jaal is a biotic!) I'd have no problem with a tech-savvy Asari, if we at least had other options (but Cora is a Vanguard, so range? Nope, charge in and blast them!) greetings LAX
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 10:18:22 GMT
Why don't we play the game first and then be disappointed? Just a thought... The one who worries beforehand suffers twice, after all.
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Post by Vall on Feb 17, 2017 10:22:55 GMT
Why don't we play the game first and then be disappointed? Just a thought... The one who worries beforehand suffers twice, after all. Wise words my dear, wise words
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Post by marshalmoriarty on Feb 18, 2017 0:09:55 GMT
I guess the real issue is whether or not the companions will be any good auch close range combat. AI for allies is notoriously bad in many games, and I certainly found my allies in Bioware's games to be deeply unreliable and/or unable to use their abilities to the best advantage. Allies who had simple roles to fill (Snipers, or people with powerful auto hit abilities like Kasumi's Shadow Strike etc) usually acquitted themselves well.
But supposed tanks like Jacob, Grunt, and pseudo Vanguards like Jack, along with pretty much any Biotic user routinely failed to impress me. Same in Dragon Age really, with the exception that tanks are actually hardy enough there to do their job properly (and aren't beinf shot from all sides by rapid firing assault rifles). Healers, tanks etc would perform fine, but DPS fighters and rogues of all kinds would fail to use their abilities wisely.
Mostly, I just need my companions to stay alive, distract the enemy and let me do all the actual killing. As the only sentient person there, I can make decisions and spot weaknesses far faster and more effectively than any AI. I can pick the most efficient weapon, the best skill for the occasion, and just get into a new position in way the AI simply will never be able to do.
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Post by luke on Feb 19, 2017 22:24:02 GMT
The fact that so many squadmates seem focused on combat/ close quarters abilities makes me think that there actually is a secret seventh squadmate. Won't get my hopes up though.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 21, 2017 15:17:43 GMT
Does squadmate AI have a good range game? I'm genuinely asking, I played a sniper infiltrator in the trilogy and never even bothered with squadmates (they just did their own thing). Powers wise they were good, but I can't note any gunplay that stood out.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Feb 21, 2017 15:52:44 GMT
I'll be playing as a Shotgun Infiltrator.
Sidekicks will alternate between Drack, Jaal, and Vetra.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Feb 21, 2017 16:01:55 GMT
The Turian is most interesting so far. We know them for their marksmanship.
She's going to be THE tank.
Vetra should be a Cabal.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Feb 21, 2017 16:02:25 GMT
Why even bother with Liam. He sounds like a crappy Vanguard lol.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 21, 2017 18:03:11 GMT
Jaal is going to be my new Garrus as my sniper/long range. Drak is my tank/up close. I'll be playing close to mid range with Bio/tech combos.
Yeah I hope someone will be our tech genius. Liam may have turrets, overload, etc though.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Feb 21, 2017 20:17:08 GMT
They made an unconventional decision with PeeWee.
An Asorry whose more fascinated with gunplay than biotics.
Cora Harlot might be more Asorry than PeeWee when it's all said n done
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