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Post by Element Zero on Feb 20, 2017 18:34:46 GMT
another PC Gamer wrote an article saying it was time for PC gamers to find another name that wasn't tied to racism and bigotry. I think it's altogether in bad taste. It's just not a theme that lends itself to comedic treatment. Though seeing how prevalent such themes are in message boards and memes and whatnot, I don't think it'll die off anytime soon. I never knew there was a connection, until now. I don't spend much time online, nor involved with modern social media. BSN is my only vice, in this regard.
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Post by Cyonan on Feb 20, 2017 21:54:33 GMT
Nobody is superior to anybody based on platform choice =P The funny thing about the PC gaming master race joke is that it was originally a joke from the critic Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation on his review of the first Witcher game. It was actually intended to poke fun at the elitist attitude of a number of gamers about acting like they're superior simply because of a platform choice as well as the cries of "They dumbed it down for consoles!" that often gets thrown around. Though the point still stands in that us PC gamers don't have to worry about being banned from our platform of choice simply because we uploaded a screenshot to the internet. It's completely absurd that they even did that to a console player, and at most the screenshot should simply have been deleted. Now Yahtzee has stated that he made the joke because wanted to retake the phrase "master race" away from the Nazi and it's racist roots when another PC Gamer wrote an article saying it was time for PC gamers to find another name that wasn't tied to racism and bigotry. That is when I started to call myself a Superior Console Player to make fun PC snobs and lost any and all respect for Crowshaw. Actually he wrote the joke to make fun of the elitist attitude of many gamers, and the Nazi thing was supposed to illustrate just how ridiculous the people were being. He did say that he doesn't think Nazi Germany should have power over our language anymore, but re-iterated in the same article that he originally made the joke for "ironic mockery". Calling yourself a "superior console player" to make fun of the "PC master race" people is just doing the same thing he did. Not to mention that it's only a very small minority that actually think they're any better. Most of us use the term jokingly. I don't think I've even ever met somebody that took the whole "PC gaming master race" thing seriously(though I'm sure I could find a few if I actually went looking for them).
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Post by Draining Dragon on Feb 20, 2017 21:56:30 GMT
I have literally not met a single person who used "PC master race" or "console peasant" as anything but a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 22:15:28 GMT
I have literally not met a single person who used "PC master race" or "console peasant" as anything but a joke. Personally, or 'generally, on the web'? I think a good many people using that metaphor are relishing the imagery it invokes. That might not make anyone a card-carrying (?!) 'racist', of course; but it accentuates the already present ugly stench of real racism that is all too apparent in anonymous messaging boards, meme-sharing sites, and so on.
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Post by crusty on Feb 20, 2017 22:21:42 GMT
Memes that mock elitism are actually racist, because Nazis.
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Post by Draining Dragon on Feb 20, 2017 22:22:16 GMT
I have literally not met a single person who used "PC master race" or "console peasant" as anything but a joke. Personally, or 'generally, on the web'? I think a good many people using that metaphor are relishing the imagery it invokes. That might not make anyone a card-carrying (?!) 'racist', of course; but it accentuates the already present ugly stench of real racism that is all too apparent in anonymous messaging boards, meme-sharing sites, and so on. I was thinking the first one when I wrote that post. I personally cannot think of anyone I've spoken with who claimed, without a hint of irony, that PC players constitute a fundamentally superior group of human beings compared to console players. Though now that you mention it, I don't think I've ever seen anybody act that way at all. I'm sure that if I searched long I could find someone who does use "PC master race" seriously. This is the internet, after all.
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Feb 20, 2017 22:23:17 GMT
wew
console peasants btfo by master race tbh
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 22:28:59 GMT
Memes that mock elitism are actually racist, because Nazis. That's not what I said. Yahtzee's usage was obviously mockery; its subsequent adoption wasn't.
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Post by Cyonan on Feb 20, 2017 22:35:52 GMT
I have literally not met a single person who used "PC master race" or "console peasant" as anything but a joke. Personally, or 'generally, on the web'? I think a good many people using that metaphor are relishing the imagery it invokes. That might not make anyone a card-carrying (?!) 'racist', of course; but it accentuates the already present ugly stench of real racism that is all too apparent in anonymous messaging boards, meme-sharing sites, and so on. I would say personally IRL as well as "individuals that I met on the internet while gaming/foruming" as far as my claim that I've never met one. Like I said, I'm sure I could find somebody if I went looking that takes the term completely seriously, but for the most part people are just taking the piss with that term. I think it's silly to start bringing up talk of racism just because people are using the term, nor do I think we should stop using the term just because a small minority of idiots are playing it completely straight like owning a $2000+ PC somehow makes you a better person than those playing on a console. There is plenty of very real racism in the world that we should be fighting instead of going after an internet meme(though that's a topic for the politics thread).
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Post by PermTrouble on Feb 20, 2017 22:42:39 GMT
While I could empathize with the disconcerting feeling that the usage of "master race" might evoke, I always looked at it as absurdist humor of gamers having laughs at themselves similar to the worship of mountain dew and doritos.
I imagine some people take it too far, or some see it as unprovoked hostility when most of the time we're just nerding out and poking fun at the fact we're trying to figure out how to video games harder.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 22:43:17 GMT
There is plenty of very real racism in the world that we should be fighting instead of going after an internet meme(though that's a topic for the politics thread). I didn't suggest otherwise. All I'm saying is that the stupid meme stinks, that's all.
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Post by PermTrouble on Feb 20, 2017 22:44:31 GMT
My name is Perm, and I am PC Master Race apologist
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Post by Cyonan on Feb 20, 2017 22:59:08 GMT
My name is Perm, and I am PC Master Race apologist Do you at least apologize at 60 FPS?
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Post by bshep on Feb 20, 2017 22:59:24 GMT
I have literally not met a single person who used "PC master race" or "console peasant" as anything but a joke. Do not read youtube comments, 4chan or reddit if you want to keep that way.
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Post by PermTrouble on Feb 20, 2017 23:02:46 GMT
My name is Perm, and I am PC Master Race apologist Do you at least apologize at 60 FPS? mostly! 3440 x 1440 is hard on a single card
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Feb 20, 2017 23:14:29 GMT
Lucky for me I'm on PC xD
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Post by stealthfox94 on Feb 21, 2017 0:01:18 GMT
That's interesting. I never knew the origin of the term. I've never seen it used harshly here, only jokingly. Hell, I've used it regarding myself, in an exclusionary way. "Alas, I'm not of the Master Race, so I'll be settling for 30 FPS." The ironic part was when the people he was making fun of took the joke completely seriously and turned it into a thing =P Though as much as I do occasionally throw out the term, I'm never actually being serious about it. I have my reasons for liking PC more than console and I get that not everybody shares my opinion. There's some stuff about PC gaming that isn't appealing to me at all, and on the topic of this discussion I don't think Andromeda will have the same level of nudity that WD2 had.
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Post by Cypher on Feb 21, 2017 1:01:18 GMT
Slap me if I'm wrong, but on the PS4, when you take a screengrab or vid, it remains only in your capture gallery unless you choose to share it. Exactly.... unless you specifically choose the "Share" option, your screenshots won't go any further than your own PS4 hard drive and I'm pretty sure it's the same with videos. I know because I took loads and loads of screenshots when I played Uncharted 4 and they never went public. Can't vouch for Xbox One, though. I distinctly recall in a few of my PS4 games that certain cutscenes couldn't be recorded. I'm sure developers have controls to prevent certain scenes from being recorded via in-game commands if they want.
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Post by Pearl on Feb 21, 2017 1:14:57 GMT
I distinctly recall in a few of my PS4 games that certain cutscenes couldn't be recorded. I'm sure developers have controls to prevent certain scenes from being recorded via in-game commands if they want. Yes, they do. At least on PS4. I imagine there's something similar in place for Xbone users.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Feb 21, 2017 4:49:01 GMT
I have literally not met a single person who used "PC master race" or "console peasant" as anything but a joke. IDK some of the people who say "console peasants" sound pretty serious.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 3, 2017 16:40:49 GMT
I hope they go all out, not because I want Mass Effect Porn (not that I don't want that! I'd love to watch that if someone made some (with good animations and not stilted crappy looking ones)), with genitalia and all - why? Because this demonizing of sex and nakedness pisses me the fuck off! Being naked is fucking natural, you don't drop into this world showered, styled and freshly clothed after all - you "drop out" of your mother wet, smelly and: NAKED! Same for sex, it's damned natural and we wouldn't be here without fucking sex! Those damned attitudes toward sex etc. are WRONG, just like it was wrong to prosecute gays (in Germany gays faced prison till the 60's or 70's damned (I don't remember the exact year)) Also: It's a game for adults and even if it were not: Sex is natural, hiding it is wrong (note: Sure you should not fuck in front of kids, but deliberately hiding it is equally wrong IMHO!) greetings LAX Wow. Um. That's a bit excessive but I agreed with you. I don't see what the big deal is neither after all we're all adults.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 3, 2017 16:49:09 GMT
When I played through Mass Effect 1, I recorded and edited a clip of the sex scene with Ashley since I have fond memories of that. Always like the poetry part at the beginning. I never got banned or in trouble for it. It probably had to do with the exposed genitalia as mentioned above. I am reminded of the Fox "News" report on the Sexbox based primary on second hand knowledge of Mass Effect. The Amazon backlash still makes me chuckle, for the one hosts had a book and overnight reviews mimic what those Fox hosts did about Mass Effect. Now in the current climate I would fully expect riots and people boycotting anything Microsoft because they had a game that was all about sex and Fox "News" only tells the truth. LOL yeah I remember that. Mass Effect was my first Bioware game and I only bought it because I heard I could have hot blue alien lesbian sex in it. So glad I heard about that when I found out the game was so much more. The ME1 sex scenes were really well done and I think tastefully done while still being adult about it. Glad to see MEA is returning to that instead of the god awful DA:O style scenes.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 3, 2017 16:53:20 GMT
I hope they go all out, not because I want Mass Effect Porn (not that I don't want that! I'd love to watch that if someone made some (with good animations and not stilted crappy looking ones)), with genitalia and all - why? Because this demonizing of sex and nakedness pisses me the fuck off! Being naked is fucking natural, you don't drop into this world showered, styled and freshly clothed after all - you "drop out" of your mother wet, smelly and: NAKED! Same for sex, it's damned natural and we wouldn't be here without fucking sex! Those damned attitudes toward sex etc. are WRONG, just like it was wrong to prosecute gays (in Germany gays faced prison till the 60's or 70's damned (I don't remember the exact year)) Also: It's a game for adults and even if it were not: Sex is natural, hiding it is wrong (note: Sure you should not fuck in front of kids, but deliberately hiding it is equally wrong IMHO!) greetings LAX It is ironic, that actual adults (and not kids in their early 20's) are probably least interested in games raw sex footage in the context of very poorly written and blunt romances. One day you will understand
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Post by Iakus on Apr 3, 2017 18:05:12 GMT
I hope they go all out, not because I want Mass Effect Porn (not that I don't want that! I'd love to watch that if someone made some (with good animations and not stilted crappy looking ones)), with genitalia and all - why? Because this demonizing of sex and nakedness pisses me the fuck off! Being naked is fucking natural, you don't drop into this world showered, styled and freshly clothed after all - you "drop out" of your mother wet, smelly and: NAKED! Speak for yourself There's a reason why we have doors on bathrooms. Just because it's "natural" doesn't mean we need to see it happening. By that logic: Simply having it stated that yes, the characters are having sex without actually showing it on the screen would work just as well. Which is something I'd be fine with, because it would likely be a lot more cost-efficient and it would not force characters to watch "the sausage being made"
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Post by Karin Davis on Apr 3, 2017 18:41:08 GMT
I'm going to say simply no. What kind of garbage can you find on Youtube these days because it falls pretentiously under the "Art" tag. SO what, we get some great HD ass's and dimples. It's 2017, we still sensitive?
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