PS4 Pro locked at 30 FPS?

SSDs in general will give you better load times over a standard HDD or disc drive. I don't actually run a SSD myself but everybody I know who has one says it's a huge difference in load times

I'd just say give it a bit of research on the specific SSD you're looking at to make sure it's not a model notorious for shoddy parts or craftsmanship. Unfortunately that can happen in just about anything in computer hardware, especially if you're looking for cheaper models, so it's always a good idea to look that up.

I said 4k 60 in less demanding games, with which i mean some indy stuff or last gen stuff. Something like Halo 5 will probably have a variable resolution up to 4k (on very few occasions) in 60. Most of the graphically demanding games will obviously cap at 30 fps. The Scorpio will never ever cost up to $700. The PS4 Pro launched for $400, Scorpio should be about 50% faster, at least on the GPU front, and comes out one year later. I think $500 is more than realistic. And if the PS4 Pro is capable of running 1800p (at least on well optimized games), then Scorpio will do true 4k with a 50% faster GPU (not in all games).

1800p is actually rendering it at 3360x1890 which isn't a 4k resolution. You aren't at 4k UHD until you hit 3840x2160 or 4096x2160.

If you're running it on a 4k monitor or TV then technically yes, it gets "upscaled" to the native resolution of that device but it doesn't add any more detail. It's just stretching out the image so that it uses up all the pixels at its native resolution. To claim that this results in "fake 4k" means I can set my 4k monitor to 800x600 and call that fake 4K because it's upscaling that to 4k(it still looks like ass as anything rendered in 800x600 today would, but it does technically upscale it to 4k).

At best, it's dishonest to claim it any kind of 4k when the actual rendering of the machine isn't at 4k, either using checkerboard or native rendering.

You do need to set the settings that low if you want actual 4k(checkerboard or native) on the PS4 Pro because the hardware is just too weak to handle it. My rig is more powerful than a PS4 Pro and I have to give up a very noticeable amount of visual quality to maintain 30 FPS in 4k during moments of intense action. This is in modern games, and even well optimized ones like DOOM. It's why I play in 1440p until I upgrade my rig(which was expensive at the time, but is getting on in age these days).

I'm not saying it's not a good result for a system that is $400, because as we've been saying: 4k is expensive to do. That's literally our point is that even for PCs being able to pull off 4k requires a pretty hefty rig, and you shouldn't expect it out of a console when the PCs are struggling to pull it off.

People shouldn't be fooled by all the 4k being thrown around. The PS4 Pro is a console that is "almost but not quite 4k", and it's using checkerboard rendering to fake even 1800p.

MS will pick up the pace on xbox exclusives but then again all their future exclusives are going to be on PC as well.  Unless you exclusively want an xbox because you can't afford the pc lifestyle or don't enjoy it, MS is really eliminating the need for console and pc.  I'd like to build a PC but I'm pretty content with the ps4 pro.  The next on the list would be a switch once the game line up increases as I just like the handheld concept of it.  

Um... what? Can you explain to me what fake 4k is to you?

First of all, 3360x1890 would be 1890p. 1800p is 3200x1800. Anyway, that's nitpicking.

Everything that's not native 4k but gets upscaled to 4k is fake 4k. Yes, technically, even 800x600 stretched out to 4k is fake 4k and it would look like shit. The closer you get to the true 4k resolution of 2160p, the closer it looks to true native 4k because less faking is required. Of course also the faking algorithm is important. In the case of the Pro, checkerbording is the new buzzword and it yields very good results.

At the end of the day we are talking semantics here. Fact is, in the case of say Horizon: Zero Dawn the console renders at 1800p internally (or thereabout), then it gets upscaled to 2160p with checkerboarding and then it outputs a 4k signal to the TV. I call that fake 4k but you may call it whatever you like. According to all accounts, it looks pretty close to native 4k.

They never said that.

I would call checkerboard rendering to be "fake 4k" as the image is still rendered at 4k, it's just using tricks to get there and it's sacrificing quality for the sake of making it not so demanding on the hardware. I'm not saying it doesn't yield good results, but it's not rendered fully at 4k.

The reason why I say it's dishonest to call the PS4 Pro a 4k machine is because upscaling is something that every TV and monitor can already do up to their native resolutions. If I can run a PS4 Pro, Xbox One, and NES all at upscaled 4k because of the TV I'm using then whatever term we're using to describe that has no real meaning because everything is that.

The resolution of the image that the machine is actually rendering is what matters in that case which is 1800p, 900p and 256x240.

I have always been up front about checkerboard rendering at 1800p still looking good and still better than 1080p even if it does still sacrifice some image quality to do what it's doing.

I'm not disparaging the PS4 Pro. The fact that a $400 machine can pull off checkerboard 1800p is actually pretty damn impressive. You can see my other replies in this thread noting that even the base PS4's 1080p is perfectly fine if you feel that gets the job done for you and think it looks nearly as good as the 1800p that the PS4 Pro does. This isn't about trying to make anything look bad or good.

It's noting that for all the people throwing around the term 4k, the PS4 Pro is not capable of rendering games at 4k while maintaining a steady framerate. If you're somebody who thinks "1800p looks almost as good as native 4k anyway" then the things that I'm saying likely wouldn't stop you from enjoying your PS4 Pro, and it shouldn't. ME:A is likely to still look good at the 900p that the Xbox One is going to render it at, so all the more power to you for using what you personally prefer.