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Post by vallixas on Feb 25, 2017 23:13:02 GMT
"Liam is Kaidan-esque" ......Well....I expected as much. From what we learn about Liam so far, that is just incorrect. Well from what people who actually played the game say, it seems to be the case. And being Jacob-esque or Vega-esque isn't much of an improvement either. Most people expected Liam to be one of these characters all over again or all of them mashed up. Neither options are appealing. All that said, regardless of who he's more similar to, he seems like he will just fill the role of that same uninteresting starting human character we've had in every Mass Effect release. That's the bit about Liam I was really focused on in the video. Not that he was like Kaidan, but that he was uninteresting. |
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 25, 2017 23:17:16 GMT
From what we learn about Liam so far, that is just incorrect. Well from what people who actually played the game say, it seems to be the case. And being Jacob-esque or Vega-esque isn't much of an improvement either. Most people expected Liam to be one of these characters all over again or all of them mashed up. Neither options are appealing. All that said, regardless of who he's more similar to, he seems like he will just fill the role of that same uninteresting starting human character we've had in every Mass Effect release. GameInformer is only one to say that, every other person who also played MEA says the otherwise. It's clear GI did not pay attention at all with Liam and came to conclusion beforehand. Also you're wrong, Vega is awesome! |
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 25, 2017 23:29:54 GMT
Well from what people who actually played the game say, it seems to be the case. And being Jacob-esque or Vega-esque isn't much of an improvement either. Most people expected Liam to be one of these characters all over again or all of them mashed up. Neither options are appealing. All that said, regardless of who he's more similar to, he seems like he will just fill the role of that same uninteresting starting human character we've had in every Mass Effect release. GameInformer is only one to say that, every other person who also played MEA says the otherwise. It's clear GI did not pay attention at all with Liam and came to conclusion beforehand. Also you're wrong, Vega is awesome! Javy, the "journalist" from GI who gave the scoop, is known to be a hack reporter. I saw the entire GI Show interview and he came across as if he was making stuff up on the fly. I don't think he really bothered to analyze any of the companions because it definitely showed. Either way, the most recent briefing gives the impression that Liam is very lively and interesting. I wasn't really getting a Kaiden vibe and James is a clown, so wasn't getting his vibe either. Liam, from what I've seen, seems pretty interesting and different so far. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 25, 2017 23:33:33 GMT
"Liam is Kaidan-esque" ......Well....I expected as much. Kaiden in ME3 was pretty cool. Luke Kristjanson wrote Liam. He also wrote Kaidan... in ME1 but not 3 so don't get your hopes up. He also wrote Sera, so he tends to write the least favorite characters for whatever reason, and somehow I always end up not getting why they're so bad. I think Luke tends to jump on board for Mass Effect and then get his work done pretty fast so he can jump back to Dragon Age... or maybe he's just somehow bad and always writes the same generic Kaidan, Jacob, Liam character who is too formal so you have to tell them to chill and then it kinda goes nowhere. I heard you could drink a beer with Liam at least. That's a little better than Jacob then! |
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Post by vallixas on Feb 25, 2017 23:35:38 GMT
I've heard different things. Some say he's a better Jacob. Others compare him to other Bioware characters. Lucas of Games Radar says "Liam Costa feels like he's the Carth Onasi of Andromeda: an average Joe who, by nature of his human species and levelheaded demeanor, seems to be a lot less interesting and appealing than all the exotic, quirky aliens in your crew."
Vega was, ok. Compared to the likes of Garrus, Thane, Wrex, Grunt, Liara, Samara, Mordin, Kazumi, Zaeed though? eh forgettable. IMO Kazumi beats out the rest easily as the most interesting human squaddie in a Mass game.
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Post by bshep on Feb 25, 2017 23:59:13 GMT
Sara is not a badly written character. She is just like Vivienne, someone you will either love or hate. Only a character who was well written can invoke this kind of emotions in the person playing. People tend to be more indifferent to chars that are poorly written. Jacob is a good exemple of this, we barely see anyone talking about him either to say they love or hate.  ps: The "Hangover" guy at GameInformer is the only one i remember making that parallel. Anyone got the link for the Games Radar article? I don't think i read it. |
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Post by dazzarlok on Feb 26, 2017 0:14:36 GMT
Ok so, I of course have not played the game yet, so for all I know, they could be right however, from everything I've seen and heard (the Andromeda briefings, quick shots in trailers, other previews) Liam is nothing like Kaiden. I'll see for myself when I play the game, but it seems to me that these GI guys just saw Liam, figured out he was a male human squad mate you recruited early in the game, and then just thought "oh, he must be Kaden 2.0"
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 26, 2017 2:50:46 GMT
Sara is not a badly written character. She is just like Vivienne, someone you will either love or hate. Only a character who was well written can invoke this kind of emotions in the person playing. People tend to be more indifferent to chars that are poorly written. Jacob is a good exemple of this, we barely see anyone talking about him either to say they love or hate. ps: The "Hangover" guy at GameInformer is the only one i remember making that parallel. Anyone got the link for the Games Radar article? I don't think i read it. Sera is actually one of my favorite characters in a BioWare game. She was so unique, yet unpredictable, that I couldn't get enough of her. Had she been a LI option for male Inquisitors, I would have chosen her in a heartbeat. I agree that the fact so many are divided on her character proves how well-written she actually is. I actually really liked Jacob's character, myself. I always enjoyed the talks I had with him on the Normandy in ME2. He had a very reasoned and structured outlook on everything he discussed. Unfortunately, I don't think BioWare treated his character very well in ME3. Ok so, I of course have not played the game yet, so for all I know, they could be right however, from everything I've seen and heard (the Andromeda briefings, quick shots in trailers, other previews) Liam is nothing like Kaiden. I'll see for myself when I play the game, but it seems to me that these GI guys just saw Liam, figured out he was a male human squad mate you recruited early in the game, and then just thought "oh, he must be Kaden 2.0" Agreed. I think it's really more so a longstanding stereotype that male soldier squadmates in Mass Effect are somehow "uninteresting." I'll admit I wasn't the biggest Kaidan fan in ME1, but I thought every male soldier squadmate to come after him was very well-executed. Of course, reasonable minds may differ. I'm looking forward to chatting with all the new squadmates, including Liam. |
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Feb 26, 2017 3:19:38 GMT
What bothers me most is he says the gunplay is lousy and is really a step down from ME3.
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Post by SofNascimento on Feb 26, 2017 3:20:56 GMT
What bothers me most is he says the gunplay is lousy and is really a step down from ME3. That's what I feared ever since the VGA reveal. The last gameplay trailers gave me hope though. |
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Post by pantherdane on Feb 26, 2017 3:28:25 GMT
The review seemed good for the most part. I am looking for good gameplay and missions. I expect story to build maybe with DLC or whatever because this is a new direction and things have to be set up over time. The hand gestures and facial expressions are the least of my worries. I dont know why this has become such a big topic. Seems such a minor thing to drone on about.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 26, 2017 3:35:38 GMT
What bothers me most is he says the gunplay is lousy and is really a step down from ME3. He only stated it was "lousy" because he felt the enemies were sponges. IGN made the same argument, yet they were playing a biotic build with no points in soldier... You can't have your cake and eat it too... If you want to do damage with guns, invest in soldier... |
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 26, 2017 6:22:47 GMT
From what we learn about Liam so far, that is just incorrect. Well from what people who actually played the game say, it seems to be the case. And being Jacob-esque or Vega-esque isn't much of an improvement either. Most people expected Liam to be one of these characters all over again or all of them mashed up. Neither options are appealing. All that said, regardless of who he's more similar to, he seems like he will just fill the role of that same uninteresting starting human character we've had in every Mass Effect release. That's the bit about Liam I was really focused on in the video. Not that he was like Kaidan, but that he was uninteresting. Since Vega is one of my favorite squad members, I'd be happy if Liam reminded me of him. Frankly, I found him to be one of the few bright spots when the rest of the crew felt like being super somber, as if the end of the universe seemingly failed to crush his spirit or something. |
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Post by Arcian on Feb 26, 2017 8:21:46 GMT
"Liam is Kaidan-esque" ......Well....I expected as much. Kaiden in ME3 was pretty cool. Who is this Kaiden I keep hearing so much about? Is he related to Kaidan? |
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Post by noviere on Feb 26, 2017 10:32:10 GMT
I stopped the video after the nth lazy comparison.
-Vetra is the new Garrus - You know Garrus? The strict/grumpy den mother?
-Liam is the new Kaiden - He's kinda boring!
-The Kett are the new Collectors - they are mean aliens!
-Cora is like Jack - Sure, Cora has been discussed as a leader, disciplined, etc... but they both are "sassy" and have unique hairstyles.
Jesus.
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 26, 2017 14:08:05 GMT
What bothers me most is he says the gunplay is lousy and is really a step down from ME3. All the other previews praised the combat, so I'm more inclined to believe the combat is good based on what I've seen and the consensus from the previews. |
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Feb 26, 2017 14:14:53 GMT
What bothers me most is he says the gunplay is lousy and is really a step down from ME3. Plenty of previews are touting gunplay as a step up as well... feels like it will be one of those subjective 'feel' things. Very confident the game's on the right track story/fun wise by the (mostly) positive consensus in previews: one thing that permeates nearly all of them though is performance, bugs and animation quirks. For the love of all that is holy BioWare, delay the game if you need to: we will understand. You don't want to come out the gates and get New Vegas treatment (touted as a bug fest, written off by many as no good unrightfully). Seriously, March is so crowded already, let the Zelda hype die down and release in April if you need the time: pretty please.
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Post by bshep on Feb 26, 2017 14:39:36 GMT
Relax he was the only one to complain about the combat system, every other "previewer" enjoy it.
As stated a few times before in this thread the guy didn't exude much professionalism.
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Post by Shinobu on Feb 26, 2017 14:43:39 GMT
What bothers me most is he says the gunplay is lousy and is really a step down from ME3. Plenty of previews are touting gunplay as a step up as well... feels like it will be one of those subjective 'feel' things. Very confident the game's on the right track story/fun wise by the (mostly) positive consensus in previews: one thing that permeates nearly all of them though is performance, bugs and animation quirks. For the love of all that is holy BioWare, delay the game if you need to: we will understand. You don't want to come out the gates and get New Vegas treatment (touted as a bug fest, written off by many as no good unrightfully). Seriously, March is so crowded already, let the Zelda hype die down and release in April if you need the time: pretty please.
I agree, but you're too late, the die is cast. I think one of the reasons reviewers are finding fault with the game is because they were roundly castigated after ME3 for uniformly praising it. Never mind that much of the backlash had to do with the ending (which reviewers didn't get to by the time of publication). So this time they're being extra critical. The pendulum swings. |
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Post by bshep on Feb 26, 2017 16:00:19 GMT
I agree, but you're too late, the die is cast. I think one of the reasons reviewers are finding fault with the game is because they were roundly castigated after ME3 for uniformly praising it. Never mind that much of the backlash had to do with the ending (which reviewers didn't get to by the time of publication). So this time they're being extra critical. The pendulum swings. Disagree. Almost every person who played the "media build" liked the game. So while some of them pointed out the (face) bugs, which bioware say were fixed when they were "bug hunting", the final conclusion for a lot of them was that they were looking foward to the game. Instead of extra critical from what i saw they were a lot more professional pointing out the Cons and the Pros, with the latter outweighing the former. |
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Post by vallixas on Feb 26, 2017 16:27:40 GMT
I stopped the video after the nth lazy comparison. -Vetra is the new Garrus - You know Garrus? The strict/grumpy den mother? -Liam is the new Kaiden - He's kinda boring! -The Kett are the new Collectors - they are mean aliens! -Cora is like Jack - Sure, Cora has been discussed as a leader, disciplined, etc... but they both are "sassy" and have unique hairstyles. Jesus. In his defense, all Bioware titles use similar characters with similar tropes. There's always the brute who loves violence and combat. There's always that deep philosophical one. There's always the stuck up bitch. There's always the edgelord. They always have counterparts. Even as far back as Jade Empire, Blackwhirlwind was the grandaddy of Wrex, Grunt, Vega and Iron Bull. Also Jack became a disciplined leader in ME3  Kaiden in ME3 was pretty cool. Who is this Kaiden I keep hearing so much about? Is he related to Kaidan? We can't even spell his name right. That's how much any of us paid attention to him. |
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Post by MarilynRobert on Feb 26, 2017 20:10:13 GMT
That guy's hair was very distracting.  I avoid Jacob almost as much as I avoid Vivienne but part of it is because they have FShep act like she's doing some weirdo flirting thing with him when that's the last thing on my FShep's mind. Still, he's rude with MShep too, even though they don't have MShep act like he's flirting.  |
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Post by bshep on Feb 26, 2017 20:17:59 GMT
That guy's hair was very distracting. I avoid Jacob almost as much as I avoid Vivienne but part of it is because they have FShep act like she's doing some weirdo flirting thing with him when that's the last thing on my FShep's mind. Still, he's rude with MShep too, even though they don't have MShep act like he's flirting. Yes. Everytime you try to talk with him about something not job related he say something along the lines :"Drop it Shepard". But then by the end he acts likes he and Sheploo are close friends. It was weird. Admit i prefer Jacob during ME3 events. |
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Post by swagmaster97 on Feb 26, 2017 23:28:02 GMT
Well from what people who actually played the game say, it seems to be the case. And being Jacob-esque or Vega-esque isn't much of an improvement either. Most people expected Liam to be one of these characters all over again or all of them mashed up. Neither options are appealing. All that said, regardless of who he's more similar to, he seems like he will just fill the role of that same uninteresting starting human character we've had in every Mass Effect release. GameInformer is only one to say that, every other person who also played MEA says the otherwise. It's clear GI did not pay attention at all with Liam and came to conclusion beforehand. Also you're wrong, Vega is awesome! Glad to see another person appreciates Vega bro. |
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Post by SwobyJ on Feb 26, 2017 23:58:45 GMT
Jacob made no sense to me.
Very inconsistent and annoying.
Both Kaidan and Jacob had missed opportunity. Wow you have this biotic backstory, lets do nothing with it! Wow you have this previous corsair and Cerberus history, lets do nothing with it!
Oh, but its fine enough I just get to talk to them, right?
No. Because interestingly, most other characters actually get us to do something that's related to their character. Liara obviously gets that stuff. Garrus does. Wrex definitely does. Samara. Jack. Etc.
Miranda kinda doesn't - I'd have loved a loyalty mission that was instead more directly in regards to her Cerberus loyalties.
But Kaidan (in the scope of the trilogy) and Jacob? MEH.
Others have similar problems. But mix this problem with a relatively bland personality and of course you're going to get them the least enjoyed squadmate characters.
Liam, please please please have a cool mission having to do with, I dunno, law and order in a wild galaxy or something, and how you view it. Be interesting. PLease. PLEASE.
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