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Post by lightdrago3 on Feb 25, 2017 14:00:25 GMT
I apologize if this has been posted before, but I didn't see any mention of it, so here it is, confirmed by Aaryn Flynn on Twitter himself:
While they might not be in this game, they may pop up in another game.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 25, 2017 14:25:28 GMT
Good news. Really hope they don't appear in any MEA game. Given when the game is set it makes little sense for them to appear other than as fan service. Create new interesting AI's please.
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Post by Balsam Beige on Feb 25, 2017 15:24:36 GMT
Not surprising. I agree with wright1978. Fan service is great, but it needs to make sense story wise. Besides, the Quarian/Geth conflict still needs resolving at time of Initiative departure. Future game maybe?
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 25, 2017 15:42:26 GMT
I fully expected this, yet it still makes me sad.
I hope Geth get to ME:A in future DLC or game, with good story explanation ofcourse.
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Post by not so salty shark on Feb 25, 2017 15:44:27 GMT
I feel like they've written themselves into a corner a bit as far as the Geth and the Quarians are concerned. If we somehow see them again post-original ME trilogy the game is gonna have to account for whether the Geth are alive and the Quarians are extinct, or vice versa, or both races survived -- and it sounds like the devs were really aiming for Andromeda to be an entirely clean slate, so they may be very hesitant to bring a "mess" (for lack of a better term) from the original trilogy into Andromeda.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 25, 2017 15:50:10 GMT
I feel like they've written themselves into a corner a bit as far as the Geth and the Quarians are concerned. If we somehow see them again post-original ME trilogy the game is gonna have to account for whether the Geth are alive and the Quarians are extinct, or vice versa, or both races survived -- and it sounds like the devs were really aiming for Andromeda to be an entirely clean slate, so they may be very hesitant to bring a "mess" (for lack of a better term) from the original trilogy into Andromeda. Neither geth nor quarians go extinct after Rannoch ending, regardless of your ending choice. A lot of them die on either side, if you don't get them to co-exist.
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Post by Ocelot on Feb 25, 2017 16:37:02 GMT
Let's be honest, there wouldn't have been a good story reason why they would be in Andromeda. They couldn't have been part of the Arks since the Geth/Quarian conflict still has to be resolved when they leave.
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 25, 2017 16:54:28 GMT
Good news. Really hope they don't appear in any MEA game. Given when the game is set it makes little sense for them to appear other than as fan service. Create new interesting AI's please. They're AIs, they're established to be monitoring organics, curious about the galaxy and everything, wanting to grow and learn. I see no reason why they wouldn't install a few of themselves on board the Ark's toasters to get to Andromeda and report their findings back home. Also, they're an amazing and popular race, much more worthy of fanservice than space babes Asari.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 25, 2017 17:03:25 GMT
Let's be honest, there wouldn't have been a good story reason why they would be in Andromeda. They couldn't have been part of the Arks since the Geth/Quarian conflict still has to be resolved when they leave. I can think of quite a few good story reasons, and I'm not a professional writer.
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Post by Ocelot on Feb 25, 2017 17:04:58 GMT
Let's be honest, there wouldn't have been a good story reason why they would be in Andromeda. They couldn't have been part of the Arks since the Geth/Quarian conflict still has to be resolved when they leave. I can think of quite a few good story reasons, and I'm not a professional writer. Alright, l'm curious.
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 25, 2017 17:16:02 GMT
I can think of quite a few good story reasons, and I'm not a professional writer. Alright, l'm curious. I'm with Hanako. The Geth kept to themselves for, what, centuries? Who's to say they did no exploring of their own? I mean, aside Bioware.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 25, 2017 17:18:20 GMT
Good news. Really hope they don't appear in any MEA game. Given when the game is set it makes little sense for them to appear other than as fan service. Create new interesting AI's please. They're AIs, they're established to be monitoring organics, curious about the galaxy and everything, wanting to grow and learn. I see no reason why they wouldn't install a few of themselves on board the Ark's toasters to get to Andromeda and report their findings back home. Also, they're an amazing and popular race, much more worthy of fanservice than space babes Asari. While they have been monitoring organics, other than the heretics under sovereign there doesn't appear to the sort of aggressive invasive approach you are suggesting. They've got their own goals(such as building a dyson sphere to focus on) & dealing with internal strife. Then there's the fact at the time of launch there's the most fanatical checks going on(such as in Citadel) because of the heretics attack that i'd highly doubt security would be so sloppy to allow them to download to the nexus. Also if we can't communicate back to Milky Way, how can the geth propose to do so. I don't really care which race is more popular. From a lore perspective it makes perfect sense for the Asari to be present and it makes little sense for the geth to be there.
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Post by Ocelot on Feb 25, 2017 17:21:25 GMT
I'm with Hanako. The Geth kept to themselves for, what, centuries? Who's to say they did no exploring of their own? I mean, aside Bioware. It seems a bit far fetched to be honest. Heading into dark space, just to see what happends. Geth make decisions based on pure logic. They don't just "Oh let's explore just for the heck of it."
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 25, 2017 17:23:21 GMT
I can think of quite a few good story reasons, and I'm not a professional writer. Alright, l'm curious. Alright. 1. We know that the Geth were curious about the rest of the galaxy and infiltrated the Extranet to learn more. There could have been some programs that entered the systems of the Nexus and Arks and before they could pull out of the systems the ships launch, taking those Geth with them accidentally. 2. We know the Geth let those who disagree with the Consensus leave if they wish. After Legion or observation data returned to the Geth Consensus, they decided to prepare for war against the Reapers. Some Geth could have instead decided to try to hide from the Reapers, so when they left they looked for the most efficient and logical way to do so and found the Initiative so uploaded on the ships as stowaways. 3. The leaders of the Andromeda Initiative made a deal with the Geth. We know the leaders know things that the rest of the people don't like the imminent Reaper invasion and they would know either through Shepard or other information that not all Geth were like the Heretics. So in exchange for allowing some on board, most likely secretly to prevent a panic, the Geth would serve as the crew of the ships during the sojourn from the Milky Way to Andromeda while all organics were in stasis.
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 25, 2017 17:23:33 GMT
While they have been monitoring organics, other than the heretics under sovereign there doesn't appear to the sort of aggressive invasive approach you are suggesting. They've got their own goals(such as building a dyson sphere to focus on) & dealing with internal strife. Then there's the fact at the time of launch there's the most fanatical checks going on(such as in Citadel) because of the heretics attack that i'd highly doubt security would be so sloppy to allow them to download to the nexus. Also if we can't communicate back to Milky Way, how can the geth propose to do so. I don't really care which race is more popular. From a lore perspective it makes perfect sense for the Asari to be present and it makes little sense for the geth to be there. I never suggested aggresive monitoring. I'm basing it on Legion's account, they do it because they want to understand. They may live in isolation, but they're clearly established as scientifically (or even socially) curious about rest of the galaxy. In that sense, I see no reason why they woudn't want in on the Andromeda oppurtunity
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Post by Ocelot on Feb 25, 2017 17:27:52 GMT
Alright. 1. We know that the Geth were curious about the rest of the galaxy and infiltrated the Extranet to learn more. There could have been some programs that entered the systems of the Nexus and Arks and before they could pull out of the systems the ships launch, taking those Geth with them accidentally. 2. We know the Geth let those who disagree with the Consensus leave if they wish. After Legion or observation data returned to the Geth Consensus, they decided to prepare for war against the Reapers. Some Geth could have instead decided to try to hide from the Reapers, so when they left they looked for the most efficient and logical way to do so and found the Initiative so uploaded on the ships as stowaways. 3. The leaders of the Andromeda Initiative made a deal with the Geth. We know the leaders know things that the rest of the people don't like the imminent Reaper invasion and they would know either through Shepard or other information that not all Geth were like the Heretics. So in exchange for allowing some on board, most likely secretly to prevent a panic, the Geth would serve as the crew of the ships during the sojourn from the Milky Way to Andromeda while all organics were in stasis. Hmmm, I suppose those options could work. But still, it feels a bit like shoehorning. I mean how many Geth did you have in mind to be in Andromeda? It took the Geth centuries to build the numbers that they were in ME.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 25, 2017 17:30:32 GMT
Alright. 1. We know that the Geth were curious about the rest of the galaxy and infiltrated the Extranet to learn more. There could have been some programs that entered the systems of the Nexus and Arks and before they could pull out of the systems the ships launch, taking those Geth with them accidentally. 2. We know the Geth let those who disagree with the Consensus leave if they wish. After Legion or observation data returned to the Geth Consensus, they decided to prepare for war against the Reapers. Some Geth could have instead decided to try to hide from the Reapers, so when they left they looked for the most efficient and logical way to do so and found the Initiative so uploaded on the ships as stowaways. 3. The leaders of the Andromeda Initiative made a deal with the Geth. We know the leaders know things that the rest of the people don't like the imminent Reaper invasion and they would know either through Shepard or other information that not all Geth were like the Heretics. So in exchange for allowing some on board, most likely secretly to prevent a panic, the Geth would serve as the crew of the ships during the sojourn from the Milky Way to Andromeda while all organics were in stasis. Hmmm, I suppose those options could work. But still, it feels a bit like shoehorning. I mean how many Geth did you have in mind to be in Andromeda? It took the Geth centuries to build the numbers that they were in ME. I agree it can be seen as a bit of a shoehorning, but it's not like Bioware isn't already doing that with some races like for example the krogan. At least it would fit in the lore and make sense. As for how many, maybe a few million programs. That sounds like a lot, but that many fit inside a single server so would be able to fit inside the systems of five massive ships easily and allow them to still have quite a bit of intelligence to them since Legion was a little over a thousand units.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 25, 2017 17:42:17 GMT
While they have been monitoring organics, other than the heretics under sovereign there doesn't appear to the sort of aggressive invasive approach you are suggesting. They've got their own goals(such as building a dyson sphere to focus on) & dealing with internal strife. Then there's the fact at the time of launch there's the most fanatical checks going on(such as in Citadel) because of the heretics attack that i'd highly doubt security would be so sloppy to allow them to download to the nexus. Also if we can't communicate back to Milky Way, how can the geth propose to do so. I don't really care which race is more popular. From a lore perspective it makes perfect sense for the Asari to be present and it makes little sense for the geth to be there. I never suggested aggresive monitoring. I'm basing it on Legion's account, they do it because they want to understand. They may live in isolation, but they're clearly established as scientifically (or even socially) curious about rest of the galaxy. In that sense, I see no reason why they woudn't want in on the Andromeda oppurtunity Of course it would require aggression. They would have to pierce council space in order to somehow breach the Andromeda security to get any platforms downloaded onto a nexus. That's a whole order of difference from passive surveillance. I see nothing from the geth that would suggest a desire to pursue such an interventionist approach nor having individual nature to desire separating programs from the collective for ever. The dyson sphere project is the absolute opposite of that The long-term goal of the geth is the construction of a "megastructure", a massive mainframe capable of simultaneously housing every existent geth program, thereby maximizing their collective processing capacity. In 2185, the geth have already been in the process of constructing the megastructure for 264 years. Legion suggests the closest conceptual analogue is a Dyson sphere and, as it poignantly states "no geth will be alone when it is done." It believes that Sovereign promised the heretics a Reaper body to serve as such a megastructure
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 25, 2017 18:52:37 GMT
At the time the Initiative launched, geth are still firmly in the "enemy" camp. Can't see how they would appear except as enemies. No reason to bring them along. We've got SAM for your AI pleasure. Also, keeping geth out helps not retread the organics vs synthetics drama.
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Post by lurkinganon on Feb 26, 2017 8:35:52 GMT
Kinda figured, There wasn't much chance of the Geth coming to Andromeda without taking some serious liberties.
But I bet it still stings to see your favorite race and MP Characters deconfirmed, Sorry Gethbros.
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Post by Gray Jedi on Feb 26, 2017 8:50:46 GMT
Makes sense after there attack on the citadel there going to be at the bottom of the invite list.
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Post by mango1smoothie on Feb 26, 2017 12:29:33 GMT
I feel like they've written themselves into a corner a bit as far as the Geth and the Quarians are concerned. If we somehow see them again post-original ME trilogy the game is gonna have to account for whether the Geth are alive and the Quarians are extinct, or vice versa, or both races survived -- and it sounds like the devs were really aiming for Andromeda to be an entirely clean slate, so they may be very hesitant to bring a "mess" (for lack of a better term) from the original trilogy into Andromeda. Neither geth nor quarians go extinct after Rannoch ending, regardless of your ending choice. A lot of them die on either side, if you don't get them to co-exist. Correct, only way to truly cause the extinction of one is choosing the destroy ending, which wipes out all AI including Geth.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 26, 2017 14:24:44 GMT
Neither geth nor quarians go extinct after Rannoch ending, regardless of your ending choice. A lot of them die on either side, if you don't get them to co-exist. Correct, only way to truly cause the extinction of one is choosing the destroy ending, which wipes out all AI including Geth. Does it? My geth were busy integrating with quarian suits to help them deal with their immunity problems. Since the suits weren't destroyed I'm assuming the geth are fine. Nothing contradicts that viewpoint (nor supports it, necessarily) so I think they're fine.
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