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Post by mango1smoothie on Feb 26, 2017 16:12:20 GMT
Correct, only way to truly cause the extinction of one is choosing the destroy ending, which wipes out all AI including Geth. Does it? My geth were busy integrating with quarian suits to help them deal with their immunity problems. Since the suits weren't destroyed I'm assuming the geth are fine. Nothing contradicts that viewpoint (nor supports it, necessarily) so I think they're fine. EDI was still destroyed while still being integrated into the Normandy, and yet Normandy was still able to be repaired and fly. Though you are right their isn't enough evidence to fully support one way or another. In my canon play through though they are definitely gone lol bsupporting the quarians and then the destroy ending makes them extinct in my universe, #sorrynotsorry lol
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 26, 2017 17:02:55 GMT
Well if geth were to appear in Andromeda, it would have to happen post-Rannoch and pre-ending.
And we don't know how long ME3 events lasted officially, so Bioware can make enough room for realistic time.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 26, 2017 21:59:47 GMT
Does it? My geth were busy integrating with quarian suits to help them deal with their immunity problems. Since the suits weren't destroyed I'm assuming the geth are fine. Nothing contradicts that viewpoint (nor supports it, necessarily) so I think they're fine. EDI was still destroyed while still being integrated into the Normandy, and yet Normandy was still able to be repaired and fly. Though you are right their isn't enough evidence to fully support one way or another. In my canon play through though they are definitely gone lol being supporting the quarians and then the destroy ending makes them extinct in my universe, #sorrynotsorry lol The Eva Core body was destroyed. Or we assume so. I don't think we saw evidence either way. We don't know about the entity that was largely contained in the Normandy. This allows me to have no problem shooting those tubes for destroy and is in line with making peace for the geth and quarians.
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Post by lightdrago3 on Feb 26, 2017 22:12:03 GMT
EDI was still destroyed while still being integrated into the Normandy, and yet Normandy was still able to be repaired and fly. Though you are right their isn't enough evidence to fully support one way or another. In my canon play through though they are definitely gone lol being supporting the quarians and then the destroy ending makes them extinct in my universe, #sorrynotsorry lol The Eva Core body was destroyed. Or we assume so. I don't think we saw evidence either way. We don't know about the entity that was largely contained in the Normandy. This allows me to have no problem shooting those tubes for destroy and is in line with making peace for the geth and quarians. In the Extended Cut, EDI was put on the memorial of deceased members on the Normandy. Though I always believed starbrat was lying, so the Geth and EDI are still alive in my canon.
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Post by not so salty shark on Feb 26, 2017 22:13:34 GMT
EDI is listed on the In Memoriam wall if you choose Destroy. I don't think her name would be up there if her AI had survived in any form.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 27, 2017 0:42:52 GMT
The Eva Core body was destroyed. Or we assume so. I don't think we saw evidence either way. We don't know about the entity that was largely contained in the Normandy. This allows me to have no problem shooting those tubes for destroy and is in line with making peace for the geth and quarians. In the Extended Cut, EDI was put on the memorial of deceased members on the Normandy. Though I always believed starbrat was lying, so the Geth and EDI are still alive in my canon. I never remembered seeing that. I have MEHEM installed right now so EDI and the geth are always alive at the end. No Catalyst conversation at all. Just press the button and the Reapers are gone forever.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 27, 2017 0:43:31 GMT
EDI is listed on the In Memoriam wall if you choose Destroy. I don't think her name would be up there if her AI had survived in any form. True. Something I've failed to notice.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Feb 27, 2017 2:48:38 GMT
Well, if the Geth infiltrated the Initiative, it doesn't really matter if they were considered the enemy. It's also possible they could have posed as an unrelated AI that wanted to go on the mission, and since the Initiative is okay with SAM, it's not a huge leap.
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 27, 2017 6:01:49 GMT
None of the tricolor endings are canon, so they can do whatever they want.
Additionally, the Destroy Ending presumably only affected AI within the Milky Way, as the destruct signal was sent through the Mass Relays. So even with a Destroy Ending, AI on the Ark would be fine.
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Post by sil on Feb 28, 2017 10:27:13 GMT
I don't know why you're discussing the endings, the arks leave the system pre-ME3, it doesn't matter if the quarians or geth are wiped out. They could have easily come up with a reason for the geth to be aboard an ark, to keep them as part of the setting going forward, but it appears they'd rather leave the interesting races out of the game.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Feb 28, 2017 10:30:26 GMT
I don't know why you're discussing the endings, the arks leave the system pre-ME3, it doesn't matter if the quarians or geth are wiped out. They could have easily come up with a reason for the geth to be aboard an ark, to keep them as part of the setting going forward, but it appears they'd rather leave the interesting races out of the game. We're going to a new galaxy. They likely didn't want to bog down the cast and overwhelm new players when they've got multiple Andromedan races to introduce. Not to mention, the Geth/Quarian had three games and a great resolution.
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Post by sil on Feb 28, 2017 10:35:19 GMT
Problem is that Andromeda is a method of Bioware being able to ignore the ending of Mass Effect 3, and if successful, they are very likely to just stay there instead of returning to the Milky Way. If they stay in Andromeda, and they don't want to address the endings of the original trilogy, we'll never be capable of seeing those races that don't set off with the arks in another Mass Effect. The less races make the transition, the less it feels like Mass Effect to me.
Also, didn't the Krogan get three games and a great resolution? Should they have been left behind as well?
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Post by zaefkol on Feb 28, 2017 10:47:50 GMT
First, the difference between the geth and the krogan at the point when the AI launches is that, without a cure for the genophage, a lot of krogan lived mercenary type lives. It is no stretch that the Initiative recruits them.
Second, as others have said, with humans, asari, turians, salarians, krogan, and the possibility of seeing a few individuals from other specis popping up in addition to the new Andromeda races, there is no shortage of alien species. Even if we do leave some behind.
Third, it is entirely possible that we will eventually return to the Milky Way in a Mass Effect game. It just won't happen any time soon. I expect another game or two in Andromeda first, probably three years apart. So MEA2 in 2020 and MEA3 in 2023. The soonest we would be back in the Milky Way would probably be close to a decade from now, and by that point, the devs might feel it's been long enough to make one of the original trilogy endings cannon.
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Post by not so salty shark on Mar 3, 2017 5:39:51 GMT
Yeah. I'm thinking that if they reintroduce elements from the original Mass Effect trilogy they're just gonna bite the bullet and make one of the endings canon (along with certain other possible outcomes).
If that's the case, I'm thinking it'll be Control. That way everyone could live -- Geth, Quarians, genophage cured and all -- without being creepy organic-synthetic things...and they can just say that the Shepard AI took a noble bow-out after he or she helped put the galaxy back together and flung the Reapers out into the farthest reaches of space, never to be seen again.
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Post by zaefkol on Mar 3, 2017 5:48:58 GMT
Yeah. I'm thinking that if they reintroduce elements from the original Mass Effect trilogy they're just gonna bite the bullet and make one of the endings canon (along with certain other possible outcomes). If that's the case, I'm thinking it'll be Control. That way everyone could live -- Geth, Quarians, genophage cured and all -- without being creepy organic-synthetic things...and they can just say that the Shepard AI took a noble bow-out after he or she helped put the galaxy back together and flung the Reapers out into the farthest reaches of space, never to be seen again. Until they pop up again in Andromeda and we have a massive Reaper vs Remnant war break out and consume that entire galaxy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 22:53:32 GMT
Good news. Really hope they don't appear in any MEA game. Given when the game is set it makes little sense for them to appear other than as fan service. Create new interesting AI's please. And please avoid the damn Pinnochio complex. ME2 Geth were the best. Was not a fan of ME3's "Geoffs."
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 4, 2017 2:18:06 GMT
I feel like they've written themselves into a corner a bit as far as the Geth and the Quarians are concerned. If we somehow see them again post-original ME trilogy the game is gonna have to account for whether the Geth are alive and the Quarians are extinct, or vice versa, or both races survived -- and it sounds like the devs were really aiming for Andromeda to be an entirely clean slate, so they may be very hesitant to bring a "mess" (for lack of a better term) from the original trilogy into Andromeda. Neither geth nor quarians go extinct after Rannoch ending, regardless of your ending choice. A lot of them die on either side, if you don't get them to co-exist. >tfw managed to make peace between geth and quarians because i didnt feel like genociding either >always pick destroy ending and end up genociding poor geth
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Post by deebo305 on Mar 4, 2017 6:09:48 GMT
Frankly I'm glad they aren't in Andromeda, I do not sympathize for the Geth. Honestly would prefer them to never show up at all in the future unless we go back to Milky Way
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Post by midnightwolf on Mar 4, 2017 22:59:49 GMT
Neither geth nor quarians go extinct after Rannoch ending, regardless of your ending choice. A lot of them die on either side, if you don't get them to co-exist. >tfw managed to make peace between geth and quarians because i didnt feel like genociding either >always pick destroy ending and end up genociding poor geth Pretty much what I've always done. Make peace between the two and then pick Destroy, which wipes the Geth, EDI and anything else containing Reaper tech out. So unless some Geth escaped the MW before being upgraded, they no longer exist in my game!
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 5, 2017 0:50:07 GMT
In the Extended Cut, EDI was put on the memorial of deceased members on the Normandy. Though I always believed starbrat was lying, so the Geth and EDI are still alive in my canon. I never remembered seeing that. I have MEHEM installed right now so EDI and the geth are always alive at the end. No Catalyst conversation at all. Just press the button and the Reapers are gone forever. Well, avoiding stuff like EDI dying was kind of the point of MEHEM, right? It's not surprising that you don't remember how the game went.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 5, 2017 19:19:16 GMT
I never remembered seeing that. I have MEHEM installed right now so EDI and the geth are always alive at the end. No Catalyst conversation at all. Just press the button and the Reapers are gone forever. Well, avoiding stuff like EDI dying was kind of the point of MEHEM, right? It's not surprising that you don't remember how the game went. I've done multiple playthroughs, even recently, that didn't have MEHEM in. EDI isn't really my biggest concern. I like to see Shepard survive. I feel bad about EDI and the geth but not so bad that I won't choose Destroy even when it'll kill them. But I always strive for the breath scene when I don't have MEHEM.
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Post by kingjuly on Mar 5, 2017 20:12:13 GMT
Yeah I don't see Geth making a return anytime soon. It wouldn't make sense unless they started their own journey to Andromeda. I highly doubt they were invited
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Post by Blackheart on Mar 5, 2017 20:27:02 GMT
Geth are cool, but I wouldn't really put them before any of the council races or krogan. I'm happy with what we have now. And I don't care much about quarians tbh.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 6, 2017 1:24:51 GMT
Geth are cool, but I wouldn't really put them before any of the council races or krogan. I'm happy with what we have now. And I don't care much about quarians tbh. Yeah I put the Big 4 at the top too. I think they should really always be a big part of Mass Effect, with expanded lore in every title. Though I also think the series should feel free to transform over time - for example, a game where, I dunno, Turians are outcasts this time, or a game without an Asari squadmate, or a game which highly involves Salarian domination (even if integrated into a larger plot). Or split up the 'Council Races' so we no longer consider them as such. Or let us delve so deep into their histories that they get utterly transformed in meaning. Toss things up sometimes. MEA is OK, but only one game of 'lets keep this place unified, one with each Ark, all peaceful premise' is one I can handle. I put the Geth over Krogan, personally. I totally understand Bioware doing otherwise, of COURSE, but I like Geth and their potential more. I still sincerely wish to see a version or versions of Rannoch in the future. I still would love to see Geth play all sorts of roles in things. I would still love to see Geth with a more intriguing plotline than ever. It is problematic, at least for now, to use them. Sure. But I'm sure there's possibilities on what's up with them. Even, really, forgetting any of the crazier theories, a post-Destroy world can easily have people, not even Quarians, rebuild some form of what would be a new status of 'Geth'. Storytellers will storytell. The Rannoch arc is over. I don't want any main story to ever focus on the Quarian fight for their homeworld and lives or the Geth preservation of their consciousness and potential. But that doesn't mean that those concepts can't exist in some sense, and it doesn't mean that the Quarians and Geth are out of stories, or existence in any form. It just has to be done tastefully. Anything that significantly gives off the aura of making ME3 choices feel useless, should be avoided. I just don't equate that to 'Oh Geth were all wiped out by Quarians in ME3, no Geth may ever exist ever'.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 6, 2017 1:29:27 GMT
Yeah. I'm thinking that if they reintroduce elements from the original Mass Effect trilogy they're just gonna bite the bullet and make one of the endings canon (along with certain other possible outcomes). If that's the case, I'm thinking it'll be Control. That way everyone could live -- Geth, Quarians, genophage cured and all -- without being creepy organic-synthetic things...and they can just say that the Shepard AI took a noble bow-out after he or she helped put the galaxy back together and flung the Reapers out into the farthest reaches of space, never to be seen again. I don't think they'll ever bite that bullet, nor do they need to. It may seem impossible to you or others, but I think its very possible to unify all endings in time. Except perhaps Refuse. And if they want to use choices for more minor but reflective effects, they can use the now confirmed Mass Effect Citadel system. In the larger scale of a timeline, anything can happen. Destroy can evolve. Control can destabilize. Synthesis can crumble. Reapers no longer need be called Reapers. The Alliance can be transformed. All sorts of things. If given the right storytelling, the right timeline, etc. Shepard can be godly enough in even determining the future for years, decades, centuries. He doesn't' need to determine everything for all time in the Milky Way. Hell, his perception of events doesn't need need to be the objective one.
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