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Post by Element Zero on Feb 27, 2017 0:24:56 GMT
This idea has been coalescing in my mind for a few days, now. As we've seen and learned more and more of Habitat 7, of Alec Ryder, and of the twins, it all sort of came together for me.
Recall the scene in the "Official Cinematic Reveal Trailer" in which Scott Ryder is seen aiding an ailing woman NPC? (See 0:56) We asked, "Is that Sara?" BioWare said, "Nope. Not Sara." I think they were employing creative misdirection, based upon all we've since learned about the events of Habitat 7.
If you're not yet SPOILED on the opening mission, and you want to remain this way, exit now. I'll post the video mentioned above right here as a convenient buffer and reference point. Below, I'll start freely discussing SPOILERS.
We have since learned that the Pathfinder team journeys planetside to Habitat 7. This means Alec, the twins, Liam and Cora, along with whatever scrubs and red shirts are brought along. We also know that an electrical phenomenon causes the protagonist's shuttle to explode, scattering the team across H7's surface. Liam and Ryder are near one another, and go hunting for their friends.
About now, you're saying, "The twin had cryosleep trouble. S/he probably didn't come on along on this mission." I think that was part of BioWare's smokescreen, hiding one of the big plot twists that happens on H7. I say one of, because I believe there will be two.
The first concerns SAM. Every member of the Pathfinder team is linked to SAM. So, why is our Ryder linked in a special way? I think the electrical phenomenon likely "jolts us", short circuiting our link to SAM. Through SciFi mumbojumbo, we will be inextricably bound to SAM. While creepy, this will likely enhance our capabilities, in time. It will also, likely, contribute to our being elevated to Pathfinder ahead of Cora, a more seasoned choice.
Okay, back to the bigger twist.
Together with Liam, we will eventually locate the rest of our surviving team, including dad and sibling. At some point, we will be at the base of that big remnant pillar-- the one that seems to be causing so much trouble on H7 (it looks like it's causing a Fade Rift, some have observed!) The kett are also present, in the video. This is where we see Scott aiding the "not-Sara" NPC.
Does she really look like a red shirt to anyone else? She's wearing Pathfinder team armor. I believe this is Sara Ryder. Sara will be captured by the Kett, removing her from the narrative, at least for a time. Alec will pursue his lost child, or appear to die trying, thereby removing himself from the narrative for a time, as well.
With no Pathfinder to command the team, I'd not be surprised to see SAM's analysis of our protagonist's performance under pressure factor heavily in his/her promotion to Pathfinder.
Thats my wacky theory. Thoughts? Holes that I've overlooked? Am I crazy?
I'll no doubt find typos to edit, but I won't edit the contents of this post without noting such edits.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 0:57:52 GMT
This idea has been coalescing in my mind for a few days, now. As we've seen and learned more and more of Habitat 7, of Alec Ryder, and of the twins, it all sort of came together for me. Recall the scene in the "Official Cinematic Reveal Trailer" in which Scott Ryder is seen aiding an ailing woman NPC? (See 0:56) We asked, "Is that Sara?" BioWare said, "Nope. Not Sara." I think they were employing creative misdirection, based upon all we've since learned about the events of Habitat 7. If you're not yet SPOILED on the opening mission, and you want to remain this way, exit now. I'll post the video mentioned above right here as a convenient buffer and reference point. Below, I'll start freely discussing SPOILERS. We have since learned that the Pathfinder team journeys planetside to Habitat 7. This means Alec, the twins, Liam and Cora, along with whatever scrubs and red shirts are brought along. We also know that an electrical phenomenon causes the protagonist's shuttle to explode, scattering the team across H7's surface. Liam and Ryder are near one another, and go hunting for their friends. About now, you're saying, "The twin had cryosleep trouble. S/he probably didn't come on along on this mission." I think that was part of BioWare's smokescreen, hiding one of the big plot twists that happens on H7. I say one of, because I believe there will be two. The first concerns SAM. Every member of the Pathfinder team is linked to SAM. So, why is our Ryder linked in a special way? I think the electrical phenomenon likely "jolts us", short circuiting our link to SAM. Through SciFi mumbojumbo, we will be inextricably bound to SAM. While creepy, this will likely enhance our capabilities, in time. It will also, likely, contribute to our being elevated to Pathfinder ahead of Cora, a more seasoned choice. Okay, back to the bigger twist. Together with Liam, we will eventually locate the rest of our surviving team, including dad and sibling. At some point, we will be at the base of that big remnant pillar-- the one that seems to be causing so much trouble on H7 (it looks like it's causing a Fade Rift, some have observed!) The kett are also present, in the video. This is where we see Scott aiding the "not-Sara" NPC. Does she really look like a red shirt to anyone else? She's wearing Pathfinder team armor. I believe this is Sara Ryder. Sara will be captured by the Kett, removing her from the narrative, at least for a time. Alec will pursue his lost child, or appear to die trying, thereby removing himself from the narrative for a time, as well. With no Pathfinder to command the team, I'd not be surprised to see SAM's analysis of our protagonist's performance under pressure factor heavily in his/her promotion to Pathfinder. Thats my wacky theory. Thoughts? Holes that I've overlooked? Am I crazy? I'll no doubt find typos to edit, but I won't edit the contents of this post without noting such edits. While I do like your theory a lot, they've confirmed that is not Sara (I don't see why they would lie about that, since they proved that in the announcement trailer that was not our character, indeed). In fact, the reviewers mentioned that your sibling won't go to the planet at all. I don't remember in which (just have to look at the shaperate). But they say the Hyperion gets into contact with the Scourge, causing crazy shit to happen, maybe even melding your consciousness with SAM, I don't remember, and your sibling won't get out of cryo at the time because of this. Dad will go to the planet, you will go as well, each leading a team. The shuttles get hit and you get separated. You find Liam (or you crash together with the other squadmate - the one hurt in the pictures) and he probably dies or gets incapacitated to the point of not accompanying you. After blazing through the level, you get reunited with Dad for the chance for him to show you his badassery. Likely, after killing a lot of Kett, the Archon will meet you both there and probably kidnap Alec, since he might be able to interface with Remnant tech as well. Scott says in one of the trailers: "We've been outplayed. The Archon is a master in his/this game. We're about to change the rules." We see Archon capturing both Ryder and Liam in another trailer and saying "now I know what makes you special". So, he will either kill Dad Ryder or kidnap him, which is more reasonable to me, to get access to Remnant tech, while the whole game we'll be trying to rescue Daddy. It makes sense for the "no rush" part, since you know he's not going to kill Alec. As for the role of pathfinder, the best scenario is the one someone else here in BSN pointed, to Cora not being able to interface with Remnant tech or SAM the same way that you can. Perhaps since Dad Ryder will be the first to come in contact with it (as we see in one of the trailers as well), his DNA will turn compatible or something, and that, naturally gives you access as well.
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Post by Element Zero on Feb 27, 2017 1:11:16 GMT
While I do like your theory a lot. They've confirmed that is not Sara. In fact, the reviewers mentioned that your sibling won't go to the planet at all.I don't remember in which (just have to look at the shaperate). But they say the Hyperion gets into contact with the Scourge, causing crazy shit to happen, and your sibling won't get out of cryo at the time because of this. Dad will go to the planet, you will go as well, each leading a team. The shuttles get hit and you get separated. You find Liam (or you crash together with the other squadmate - the one hurt in the pictures) and he probably dies or gets incapacitated to the point of not accompanying you. After blazing through the level, you get reunited with Dad for the chance for him to show you his badassery. Likely, after killing a lot of Kett, the Archon will meet you both there and probably kidnap Alec, since he might be able to interface with Remnant tech as well. Scott says in one of the trailers: "We've been outplayed. The Archon is a master in his/this game. We're about to change the rules." We see Archon capturing both Ryder and Liam in another trailer and saying "now I know what makes you special". So, he will either kill Dad Ryder or kidnap him, which is more reasonable to me, to get access to Remnant tech, while the whole game we'll be trying to rescue Dad. It makes sense for the "no rush" part, since you know he's not going to kill Alec. The bolded bit would confirm BioWare wasn't blowing smoke about our sibling, then. Okay, unless their NDA required they hold to that story. (Not trying to sound paranoid! Haha. I need to read those reviews, again. I probably read it already, and forgot.) The part about SAM and dad could hold true, I guess; particularly concerning SAM. I suspect that Scott's line concerning the Archon is likely from later in the game. It sounds like a rallying speech. We'll see, though, just escaping Habitat 7 might be a big deal. Thanks to BioWare's marketing, or lack thereof, this game does not feel like it's weeks away!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 1:19:07 GMT
While I do like your theory a lot. They've confirmed that is not Sara. In fact, the reviewers mentioned that your sibling won't go to the planet at all.I don't remember in which (just have to look at the shaperate). But they say the Hyperion gets into contact with the Scourge, causing crazy shit to happen, and your sibling won't get out of cryo at the time because of this. Dad will go to the planet, you will go as well, each leading a team. The shuttles get hit and you get separated. You find Liam (or you crash together with the other squadmate - the one hurt in the pictures) and he probably dies or gets incapacitated to the point of not accompanying you. After blazing through the level, you get reunited with Dad for the chance for him to show you his badassery. Likely, after killing a lot of Kett, the Archon will meet you both there and probably kidnap Alec, since he might be able to interface with Remnant tech as well. Scott says in one of the trailers: "We've been outplayed. The Archon is a master in his/this game. We're about to change the rules." We see Archon capturing both Ryder and Liam in another trailer and saying "now I know what makes you special". So, he will either kill Dad Ryder or kidnap him, which is more reasonable to me, to get access to Remnant tech, while the whole game we'll be trying to rescue Dad. It makes sense for the "no rush" part, since you know he's not going to kill Alec. The bolded bit would confirm BioWare wasn't blowing smoke about our sibling, then. Okay, unless their NDA required they hold to that story. (Not trying to sound paranoid! Haha. I need to read those reviews, again. I probably read it already, and forgot.) The part about SAM and dad could hold true, I guess; particularly concerning SAM. I suspect that Scott's line concerning the Archon is likely from later in the game. It sounds like a rallying speech. We'll see, though, just escaping Habitat 7 might be a big deal. Thanks to BioWare's marketing, or lack thereof, this game does not feel like it's weeks away! Yep, but I tell you I would like your version to play out. It's a lot more interesting. Besides, having our Dad around during the game would be a lot more satisfying to me. Deciding to step down after seeing us in action and passing the torch would be awesome. Twin too, if they go around the cluster with their team, or doing important stuff to help us on our mission. But one thing worth mentioning, is that one of the reviewers also said our Dad transfer to us his ability to change classes. That might be a little worrying, if that implies he does that in his final moments. EDIT: It seems in another review they say you get to fight alongside Dad for a few moments, using Shepard's powers (??) and it seems it's similar to Anderson leading us in ME3. (Dad wouldn't follow us like a regular squadmate, would he?).
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Feb 27, 2017 3:40:28 GMT
I have actually been thinking along the same lines for a while now.
I felt like the woman with Scott in that video was Sara and I felt like she was going to go missing, probably because of the Kett, but I hadn't gotten much further in my thoughts than that.
I like your theory. I approve!
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 27, 2017 6:00:30 GMT
Are they romanceable?
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Post by Element Zero on Feb 27, 2017 6:02:41 GMT
Naturally. That might be what causes the initial crash.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 27, 2017 19:10:26 GMT
Can you romance SAM? Yes, totally. ... I wish, really.
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Post by Element Zero on Feb 27, 2017 19:24:21 GMT
Can you romance SAM? Yes, totally. ... I wish, really. Only in your mind.
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Post by Deana on Feb 28, 2017 3:31:52 GMT
Why would some red shirt be featured in one of the first trailers? It may not be Sara but it's certainly someone above Jenkins level.
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Post by alexy on Mar 1, 2017 19:30:27 GMT
If it's not Sara the one featured in that trailer, couldn't it be Cora? I mean, they said Liam and Cora are the two starting squad mates, right?
It'd make sense, since she's second-in-command, for her not to take the same shuttle as DadRyder. In case something goes wrong, you lose only one of them. Then again, it'd be wiser to just send the Pathfinder and keep the replacement (sorry, Cora) safe aboard the Tempest/Hyperion. In that case, yeah, it could be the other sibling. Although Dr. Lexi's video makes me think that's not the case.
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 2, 2017 5:30:19 GMT
If it's not Sara the one featured in that trailer, couldn't it be Cora? I mean, they said Liam and Cora are the two starting squad mates, right? It'd make sense, since she's second-in-command, for her not to take the same shuttle as DadRyder. In case something goes wrong, you lose only one of them. Then again, it'd be wiser to just send the Pathfinder and keep the replacement (sorry, Cora) safe aboard the Tempest/Hyperion. In that case, yeah, it could be the other sibling. Although Dr. Lexi's video makes me think that's not the case. It doesn't look at all like Cora, to me; but that doesn't mean much, realistically. The helmets were doing terrible things to hairlines at the time that this trailer was made. (I hope that Effect didn't make its way into the game.) That jacked up hairline could belong to Cora, I guess; though I think it looks more like Sara. To be clear, Cora makes more sense. She better fits BioWare's story about "sibling cryosleep issues"; and she should be present, as you observe. That's what makes my theory "whacky"! I'm trying to cram the sibling's and Alec's being indisposed/unavailable into a singular explanation. It's a bit unlikely, but I wanted to take a shot at it.
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