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Post by armass81 on Mar 1, 2017 15:31:25 GMT
Bioware says alot of things, you can believe it if you want to. Id better be bull tough. Here's a thing though. Andromeda Imitative launches after ME2 starts and before Arrival DLC starts. Suicide mission may or may not take before or after. So most of the galaxy has no freaking clue Reapers exist, let alone invasion is coming. Only thing that could be Reaper involved is that the top brass of AI knew about Reapers and potentially their program for Andromeda got accelerated to launch before Reaper invasion, but pretty much every else still has no idea about it. Even then, AI program started way before even the most top government officials and special espionage operatives knew either. So still, no way these people are refugees. They're vetted to be explorers and colonizers, not fleeing for their lives to a place to find humane place to live long term. Exactly. And this is the only way the whole AI makes sense in conception, going to another galaxy 2.5 million ly away for resources or just because its there, it just does not compute.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 1, 2017 15:35:46 GMT
Here's a thing though. Andromeda Imitative launches after ME2 starts and before Arrival DLC starts. Suicide mission may or may not take before or after. So most of the galaxy has no freaking clue Reapers exist, let alone invasion is coming. Only thing that could be Reaper involved is that the top brass of AI knew about Reapers and potentially their program for Andromeda got accelerated to launch before Reaper invasion, but pretty much every else still has no idea about it. Even then, AI program started way before even the most top government officials and special espionage operatives knew either. So still, no way these people are refugees. They're vetted to be explorers and colonizers, not fleeing for their lives to a place to find humane place to live long term. Exactly. And this is the only way the whole AI makes sense in conception, going to another galaxy 2.5 million ly away for resources or just because its there, it just does not compute. But that only explains away these people are not refugees. However does not explain away why are they going to Andromeda for the weak reasons. I do hope Minius's theory is correct.
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Post by armass81 on Mar 1, 2017 15:42:57 GMT
Exactly. And this is the only way the whole AI makes sense in conception, going to another galaxy 2.5 million ly away for resources or just because its there, it just does not compute. But that only explains away these people are not refugees. However does not explain away why are they going to Andromeda for the weak reasons. I do hope Minius's theory is correct. I seriously hope cerberus has nothing to do with this, it already had a bloated presence in the original trilogy (thanks Mac), we dont need it in andromeda.
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Post by Cirvante on Mar 2, 2017 0:46:18 GMT
Refugees my ass. I just want to colonize Andromeda like space-Cortés with a big fucking shotgun.
This whole lolnoweapons bullshit for our ship and vehicle doesn't sit right with me. Give me a Thanix cannon, so I can give the Archon an adequate answer by ramming my metaphorical laser dick through his ship.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Mar 3, 2017 4:07:49 GMT
Товарищи хорошие дни, я родом из Андромеды, чтобы сказать, что марксизм-ленинизм работал там. cyka blyat rush b
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Post by Fredward on Mar 3, 2017 7:25:50 GMT
There is nothing about the highlighted issues that is particularly "current event." Themes through human history? Yes, this is not surprising. Call me when someone wants to build a space wall.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 3, 2017 9:51:17 GMT
Refugees my ass. I just want to colonize Andromeda like space-Cortés with a big fucking shotgun. This whole lolnoweapons bullshit for our ship and vehicle doesn't sit right with me. Give me a Thanix cannon, so I can give the Archon an adequate answer by ramming my metaphorical laser dick through his ship. Well, the Ai technically doesn't even know... they could be refugees from a dead galaxy by the time the game starts. I actually doubt BW will go there, though... the worst thing that might happen is that, suddenly, some character/race has a previously not established opinion on one minority group or the other, just to lecture the player about it. You know, virtue signaling.
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Post by Cirvante on Mar 3, 2017 15:52:14 GMT
Well, the Ai technically doesn't even know... they could be refugees from a dead galaxy by the time the game starts. I actually doubt BW will go there, though... the worst thing that might happen is that, suddenly, some character/race has a previously not established opinion on one minority group or the other, just to lecture the player about it. You know, virtue signaling. Even if the MW ends up harvested, if they set out as explorers, they'll still be explorers and not magically turn into refugees. What I don't like is hamfisted political commentary in my video games. Like that bit with Iron Bull and the trans. Why would the qunari who are completely anal about accepting your place in life and society be totally open-minded about people chosing what they want to be? But the worst part was that your character is just a silent bystander who doesn't get to comment. That's just shoving ideology down the helpless player's throat. So if they try to insert their stupid agenda by making it about "we are the aliens/refugees" or shoehorning us into being peaceful explorers, I'll be disappointed. Give us the choice to be invaders or conquerors and I'll be happy. In the trilogy we had the choice to commit genocide several times, kill our companions, be complete space racists with a 'humanity first!' agenda and finally become a galactic god. Some people just want everyone to hold hands and sing 'kumbaya' and that's fine. But my favourite scene in Avatar was the destruction of the home tree. That was the cinematic epitome of HFY. Give me a choice as the player and don't try to shoehorn me into any direction and we're good.
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Post by PermTrouble on Mar 3, 2017 18:43:47 GMT
I for one will be honoring my cerberus bretheren and unleashing space imperialism upon the inferior andromedans
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Post by bizantura on Mar 4, 2017 10:37:47 GMT
It is certainly sad the Russians and Chinees don't make RPG's worldwide distributed. Then we truly could compare for underhanded messages.
OP did you not forget "transhumanism" promoted thru the ME games?
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 4, 2017 21:02:12 GMT
Propaganda.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 5, 2017 1:44:41 GMT
Because THAT is what I freaking want in my games
Politics
Fuck I hope I have the option to exterminate the Keth now just to play against what Bioware is hoping we lean toward
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Post by Toyish Batphone on Mar 5, 2017 5:01:03 GMT
Well, the Ai technically doesn't even know... they could be refugees from a dead galaxy by the time the game starts. I actually doubt BW will go there, though... the worst thing that might happen is that, suddenly, some character/race has a previously not established opinion on one minority group or the other, just to lecture the player about it. You know, virtue signaling. Even if the MW ends up harvested, if they set out as explorers, they'll still be explorers and not magically turn into refugees. What I don't like is hamfisted political commentary in my video games. Like that bit with Iron Bull and the trans. Why would the qunari who are completely anal about accepting your place in life and society be totally open-minded about people chosing what they want to be? But the worst part was that your character is just a silent bystander who doesn't get to comment. That's just shoving ideology down the helpless player's throat. So if they try to insert their stupid agenda by making it about "we are the aliens/refugees" or shoehorning us into being peaceful explorers, I'll be disappointed. Give us the choice to be invaders or conquerors and I'll be happy. In the trilogy we had the choice to commit genocide several times, kill our companions, be complete space racists with a 'humanity first!' agenda and finally become a galactic god. Some people just want everyone to hold hands and sing 'kumbaya' and that's fine. But my favourite scene in Avatar was the destruction of the home tree. That was the cinematic epitome of HFY. Give me a choice as the player and don't try to shoehorn me into any direction and we're good. You are epecting the impossible from the regressive left.
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Post by Yggdrasil on Mar 5, 2017 22:49:49 GMT
There isn't anything political about what he said, it's not a commentary on anything. It's a reversal of the classic alien invasion plot, only this time we are the alien invaders and the aliens reguard us with the same hostility that we would have toward them had they showed up on day on our planet. I totally agree. He's simply saying that the kett have their own understandable perspective.
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Post by Warrick on Mar 6, 2017 4:39:25 GMT
Gotta love Americans commenting on socialism.
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Post by gipsydangeresque on Mar 6, 2017 5:06:13 GMT
Hey, The Next Generation was great socialist commentary. I welcome utopian futuristic settings.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 6, 2017 7:50:42 GMT
What I don't like is hamfisted political commentary in my video games. Like that bit with Iron Bull and the trans. Why would the qunari who are completely anal about accepting your place in life and society be totally open-minded about people chosing what they want to be? But the worst part was that your character is just a silent bystander who doesn't get to comment. That's just shoving ideology down the helpless player's throat. Wait a minute. The qunari wouldn't have had to let Krem choose his gender, because Krem didn't choose his gender any more than you chose yours. Bull's simply assuming that the tamassrans would have done their job competently, and assigned Krem properly. I agree that DAI is a little weak on douchebag moments for the Inquisitor, though.
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Post by Cirvante on Mar 6, 2017 13:18:02 GMT
because Krem didn't choose his gender any more than you chose yours. Oh really? Was "he" biologically male then? Because that's how I know. If I had a cunt, I'd be a woman.
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Post by Warrick on Mar 6, 2017 13:32:04 GMT
Qunari are all "you fight, then you're a man. If you're a woman you should be running a shop somewhere"
2009 Bioware is all "lol backwards Qunari" 2016 Bioware is all "YAY PROGRESS!"
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Post by Ieldra on Mar 6, 2017 14:14:19 GMT
It is certainly sad the Russians and Chinees don't make RPG's worldwide distributed. Then we truly could compare for underhanded messages. OP did you not forget "transhumanism" promoted thru the ME games? ME is anti-transhumanist if anything.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 6, 2017 15:59:38 GMT
because Krem didn't choose his gender any more than you chose yours. Oh really? Was "he" biologically male then? Because that's how I know. If I had a cunt, I'd be a woman. The question of what defines being a man or a woman is fun, but it's not really relevant to the topic.(We can do a few rounds if you like) Neither is whether Krem is wrong about his gender, or crazy, or however you want to approach this. The question is whether or not Krem experienced choice. Krem did not. You're not even actually saying that he did. So the issue with the Qun doesn't exist.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 6, 2017 16:02:27 GMT
It is certainly sad the Russians and Chinees don't make RPG's worldwide distributed. Then we truly could compare for underhanded messages. OP did you not forget "transhumanism" promoted thru the ME games? ME is anti-transhumanist if anything. What, you don't think Synthesis effectively promoted transhumanism? (/irony)
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 6, 2017 16:07:06 GMT
Qunari are all "you fight, then you're a man. If you're a woman you should be running a shop somewhere" 2009 Bioware is all "lol backwards Qunari" 2016 Bioware is all "YAY PROGRESS!" The Qun's like most DA lore. Your first impression of it turned out to be wrong.
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Post by traks on Mar 6, 2017 19:41:12 GMT
Misleading headline, because there is nothing socialist about the Initiative (we know of).
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