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Post by Madflavor on Mar 1, 2017 4:10:09 GMT
Yes, we are the polar opposites as people in terms of half-full vs half-empty, therefore I can't help but antagonize him at the thought.Unfair skepticism is something I can be guilty of at times. I can twist the arm a bit too much at times. But there's nothing that makes my shit boil as much as blind optimism from some fanboy.What happened? You're loosing your cool because I'm excited and optimistic over a game you're not? Says more about you than me dude. Yes I'm a fan of Bioware, both old and new, and yes they have flaws that I've brought up before. Even today I got frustrated because the gameplay IGN showed off was a bad demonstration. I've also defended (not that you needed it) your opinion on here, when someone got mad at your negativity. So I can accept your pessimism, but my optimism makes your shit boil? Right. Did it ever occur to you that I'm optimistic, because I'm just plain old enjoying what I'm seeing, and not because I'm a "blind fanboy"?
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 1, 2017 4:11:19 GMT
I dunno, if we count the past few months when it comes to ME:A leaks, he's been pretty accurate. Do you think he's making up that the mock reviews have been good? I think he is guessing, but it's a good guess based on the positive reception the "media build" had with the people doing the previews. I'm inclined to believe him, but I guess nobody can really know. But you're right earlier, the previews should be a good indicator it'll probably review well.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 1, 2017 4:20:07 GMT
DA:I 89/100?... I wish I played that version of DA:I. To be fair I played DAI one and half year after release and during first like 10 or more hours I sincerely wondered why there was such shitstorm? Slow and painful realization was coming... May be it was the case for some reviewers too? EDIT: I recently checked user reviews for ME3 and funny thing that they are also tend to be either 0 or 10 with little middle ground but strangely enough I still literally agree with every one of them. Mass Effect 3 showed the faults in Metacritic and frankly they lost my faith in their reader reviews because they haven't done anything to try and fix their flaws. They had to delete reviews from the Mass Effect 3 user reviews because they were copy and paste to influence the score and it was a well know thing that with Diablo 3 people were trying to get the score for the game to be the same as the error code that was on launch day. If I want to see a review from a player I am more likely to go to YouTube or Twitch when I see them playing the game so I know they have experience with the game at hand and not someone with an agenda.
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Post by bshep on Mar 1, 2017 4:22:30 GMT
Yes, we are the polar opposites as people in terms of half-full vs half-empty, therefore I can't help but antagonize him at the thought. Unfair skepticism is something I can be guilty of at times. I can twist the arm a bit too much at times. But there's nothing that makes my shit boil as much as blind optimism from some fanboy. More like most of the time. You have been cherry picking the facial critics from the previews since they have been released and used it to talk about how bad MEA it's going to be. You have even gone as far as try to imply some connection between the game failing and the sales of Horizon Zero Dawn. I don't close my eyes to the bugs that the game "media build" suffer neither i do for the general praise that the same build recieved.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 1, 2017 4:27:52 GMT
On the facial animations thing, I'd like to quote someone ThoseDeafMutes from Neogaf:
"Every Mass Effect game has had terrible looking goofy animations in parts. And yes, it's perfectly fine to half ass parts of your game that are on screen for half a second in a 40+ hour RPG.
I'm one of the most vocally negative people in every mass effect community thread but even I'm starting to get tired of this "find 15 frames that look shit and post them in every thread" level of nitpicking. Yes, that disarm animation looked bad. Yep, that punch doesn't connect. If people can't get past this I don't know how they got through previous games in the series where Mark Vandermeer spent half the trilogy looking like a sex predator whenever he smiled and holding sprint gave you an animation straight out of the ministry of silly walks."
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Post by Fredward on Mar 1, 2017 4:29:07 GMT
Meh, I don't think Shinobi is physically capable of being critical of Bioware tbh.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 1, 2017 4:35:35 GMT
Meh, I don't think Shinobi is physically capable of being critical of Bioware tbh. Let's assume ME:A is actually getting underwhelming feedback from mock reviews, and things aren't looking that good. Wouldn't Shinobi be more inclined to not even bring up mock reviews then? As far as he and people on Neogaf know, he has a good reputation of accurately leaking information and dates out. It would probably do him more harm than good to say "Hey guys, word on the street is really good over here!" when in fact they're not.
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Post by Fiery Phoenix on Mar 1, 2017 4:38:22 GMT
Meh, I don't think Shinobi is physically capable of being critical of Bioware tbh. Shinobi is the type of person who sticks to the 'say good or say nothing' idea.
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Post by steamshipman on Mar 1, 2017 4:53:37 GMT
my first time through da i the first ten hours through the game i thought it was shaping up to be a fairly middling or average game. And then i hit in your heart shall burn... "middling or average game" isn't enough to start "wurst game evar" hysteria. And all good drama still isn't diluted to no substance at this point. Well, for me and wurst game ever camp. Mass Effect 3 showed the faults in Metacritic and frankly they lost my faith in their reader reviews because they haven't done anything to try and fix their flaws. They had to delete reviews from the Mass Effect 3 user reviews because they were copy and paste to influence the score and it was a well know thing that with Diablo 3 people were trying to get the score for the game to be the same as the error code that was on launch day. If I want to see a review from a player I am more likely to go to YouTube or Twitch when I see them playing the game so I know they have experience with the game at hand and not someone with an agenda. Your right, it has glaring flaws. But one still can use it to see if game received universally good/bad reviews. Not all games has agenda-warriors, but if they do you can be sure as hell there is something off with the product.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 1, 2017 5:22:16 GMT
Shinobi is the master of sugarcoat. Necessary my fries could use your salt meme.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 1, 2017 5:24:45 GMT
Your right, it has glaring flaws. But one still can use it to see if game received universally good/bad reviews. Not all games has agenda-warriors, but if they do you can be sure as hell there is something off with the product. If you want to look for a person that took the time and gave a well rounded review then I would agree or you can find a game that doesn't have people with an agenda to modify the score then sure it is worthwhile. The problem is if the game does have any type of agenda attached and I feel all BioWare games do at this point I can't have trust to know that the score really reflects people who are playing the game for a score of 6 or 7 can be obliterated by a person that posts 10 reviews all at 0 because they don't think the female protagonist is "hot".
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Post by steamshipman on Mar 1, 2017 6:11:38 GMT
If you want to look for a person that took the time and gave a well rounded review then I would agree or you can find a game that doesn't have people with an agenda to modify the score then sure it is worthwhile. The problem is if the game does have any type of agenda attached and I feel all BioWare games do at this point I can't have trust to know that the score really reflects people who are playing the game for a score of 6 or 7 can be obliterated by a person that posts 10 reviews all at 0 because they don't think the female protagonist is "hot". It's unreasonable to go to MC just for the score and even for well rounded review as it won't necessary correspond with your perception. It's the combination of score, positive-middle-negative distribution and general tone of polarized reviews that is capable to give you idea.
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Post by lastpawn on Mar 1, 2017 6:19:57 GMT
I'm gonna be honest and say I really don't care what the reviewers think. Unless a game is universally panned (like < 70% across the board) I find that "professional game reviews" say almost nothing about the game. On the other hand, I do care what a few trusted youtubers, bloggers, and series fans think.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 1, 2017 7:40:25 GMT
Nice that (as far as I know) reviewers will actually get to review the game in advance (unlike Bethesda/Ubisoft)...
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 1, 2017 7:53:22 GMT
While seeing the overall metascore might be helpful for Bioware (although I'm fairly certain that regardlesss of its quality MEA will have a negative user score, unless it's exceptional), but I don't really care about it. I think it's more useful to find reviews where, even if you might not agree on the score, you can form a reasonable opinion on the game when you read it. I know which one will do the trick for me.
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Post by krazyguy on Mar 1, 2017 7:57:15 GMT
Are they gonna use the gold version of the game or will the reviews be based on the Day1 patch?
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 1, 2017 7:59:05 GMT
Are they gonna use the gold version of the game or will the reviews be based on the Day1 patch? I think they might use the gold version. I don't think they have time to prove, at least from the start, the game with the patch.
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Post by kino on Mar 1, 2017 8:08:12 GMT
Eh, I don't have a problem with pre-reviews of a game, as long as they aren't so glowing that they begin to wander into sycophant territory. Considering all the accolades that DAI received in the end I was definitely pleased with the released product.
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Post by leonick on Mar 1, 2017 8:41:56 GMT
Good and great at interchangeable? Must be a different dialect of English than what I'm used to. To each their own but I find metacritic user ratings to be just about the most unreliable rating on the internet. There is too much gaming of the system going on, a lot people seem to lack any objectivity, and most seem to have trouble grasping a ten point scale leading to most 'reviews' being 10 or 0. Only aggregate user rating I can think of that I'd put any worth in would be the ones on Steam. A lot more people leave a rating and the fact that you have to own a game to leave review helps it a lot too (can't just create multiple accounts to rate). Arkham Knight PC Metacritic: 2.6 based on 1997 reviews Steam Overall: 58% positive based on 26314 reviews Steam Recent: 83% based on 389 reviews in last 30 days Fallout 4 PC Metacritic: 5.5 based on 7544 reviews Steam Overall: 78% based on 59001 reviews Steam Recent: 77% based on 1,362 review son last 30 days Neither is a flawless game, far from it, but neither is as bad as Metacritic's user rating would suggest and it's not like Steam is just more optimistic, it can still be brutal, No Man's Sky PC for instance Metacritic: 2.5 based on 1918 reviews Steam Overall: 31% based on 81627 reviews Steam Recent: 35% based on 562 reviews in last 30 days Shame Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, or Mass Effect 3 isn't on Steam
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 8:46:25 GMT
ANY reviews prior to release should be taken with a huge pinch of salt. Personally I'm not touching ME:A with a bargepole until I've read a fair few reviews from sources I trust.
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Post by isaidlunch on Mar 1, 2017 9:40:24 GMT
Neogaf shills can't be trusted.
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Post by surelyforth on Mar 1, 2017 10:23:50 GMT
Are they gonna use the gold version of the game or will the reviews be based on the Day1 patch? According to Shinobi, they're aiming for the patched version.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 1, 2017 12:20:15 GMT
Are they gonna use the gold version of the game or will the reviews be based on the Day1 patch? According to Shinobi, they're aiming for the patched version. I was thinking about this, how they hell are Bioware going to manage that? Launch Day is the 21st, but Bioware want the Day 1 patch out and ready by the 16th, which is Early Access. So that would mean Bioware would have to have the Day 1 patch ready even earlier than that, so reviewers can play the more polished version right? Seems nuts to me.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 1, 2017 12:27:11 GMT
Remember all those 0/10 and 1 star reviews for Baldurs Gate: Siege of Dragonspear because it had a minor character in it with two optional lines about being trans? Yeah.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 1, 2017 12:33:13 GMT
PS4. I think the user reviews on pc were more based on the problems the pc version had/has then the game itself. While not stellar, both the PS4 and Xbox one user reviews are around 7.0. I do hope the Pc version of MEA won't have the same problems of the DAI's version.
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