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Post by degs29 on Mar 4, 2017 23:25:19 GMT
The early part of the process would have been brainstorming, testing ideas, and throwing out ones that didn't work in practice. That is an extremely time-consuming activity. Hell, the game just went gold last week, so they only just locked down all the features they wanted in the game. With less than a month to go before launch! That's cutting the QA a little tight. What I'm saying is that the game could probably benefit from an extra month of polish, not to add more features or longevity. Eh, what? It is a typical practice to launch the game Gold around a month before release. Also, ME:A had longer development time then both ME2 and ME3 combined. So, what more did it needed?! Depends on the scope of the game. This game is supposed to be massive; the biggest they've ever done. Stands to reason the development time would be longer and the amount of kinks to be worked out would be more plentiful.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 4, 2017 23:38:58 GMT
Eh, what? It is a typical practice to launch the game Gold around a month before release. Also, ME:A had longer development time then both ME2 and ME3 combined. So, what more did it needed?! Depends on the scope of the game. This game is supposed to be massive; the biggest they've ever done. Stands to reason the development time would be longer and the amount of kinks to be worked out would be more plentiful. Hence it's been developed for over 4 years.
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Post by s0ulbearer on Mar 4, 2017 23:40:54 GMT
Hopefully multiplayer works.
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Post by degs29 on Mar 4, 2017 23:46:08 GMT
Depends on the scope of the game. This game is supposed to be massive; the biggest they've ever done. Stands to reason the development time would be longer and the amount of kinks to be worked out would be more plentiful. Hence it's been developed for over 4 years. Final Fantasy XV, The Last Guardian, and plenty of other games had significantly longer development periods, because they went through many iterations. Bioware had a difficult job of moving forward after ME3; I'm sure they threw around a crap-tonne of ideas. Saying four years is a significant time is relative.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 4, 2017 23:48:24 GMT
Why does Arshesnei like every single post you make? It's very odd.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 5, 2017 0:26:05 GMT
Why does Arshesnei like every single post you make? It's very odd. u jelly?
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Post by vonuber on Mar 5, 2017 6:16:55 GMT
Why does Arshesnei like every single post you make? It's very odd. u jelly? Not really, why would I be? A cynic would obviously be suspicious of someone who makes a point about the number of likes they get having another account liking all of their posts; but I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 5, 2017 10:04:34 GMT
Not really, why would I be? A cynic would obviously be suspicious of someone who makes a point about the number of likes they get having another account liking all of their posts; but I'm sure it's just a coincidence. Then ask her. I'm not her supervisor.
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Post by lukensen87 on Mar 5, 2017 10:43:23 GMT
Finally! Someone who is not afraid to tell the truth, I'm a fan myself, but that does not mean I don't see (or pretend to not see) obvious flaws the game have (it also explains why we did not have any real gameplay before December). The game could be in development for 10 years and it could still be buggy, because you keep adding content, fixing bugs, adding content again and fixing bugs again etc. Also it's first ME game on Frostbite engine, DAI had at least 12 (!) patches released to fix many SP and MP bugs, but even today MP is buggy (sometimes it will not give the key to open next door and I, and my team must start over, or sometimes I was pushed beyond map lol). Something tells me I should wait at least to April for patch 1.2 or 1.3 (or whatever version it will be) so my experience would be better, but I don't know if I will able to resist (I still remember first unpatched version of ME3 when even importing save from ME2 was buggy as hell, they fixed it like in patch 1.02 or 1.03). Ofc there will be bugs in MAE, I fear it will be even more buggy than ME3 and DAI combined.. I really hope I'm wrong. So yeah, I think that 3-5 months more would be good to polish it much more. Mod tools could resolve it (look at unofficial patches for Fallout 4 or Skyrim), but knowing EA/Dice sadly it's not gonna to happen..
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Post by admiralbonetopickmk2 on Mar 5, 2017 11:02:15 GMT
I just hope the development of Mass Effect Andromeda wasn't like this...
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Post by SofNascimento on Mar 5, 2017 11:39:36 GMT
I just hope the development of Mass Effect Andromeda wasn't like this... Like DAI, they had enough time to get this right. If Andromeda doesn't deliver, it's not EA's fault.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 14:28:13 GMT
Not really, why would I be? A cynic would obviously be suspicious of someone who makes a point about the number of likes they get having another account liking all of their posts; but I'm sure it's just a coincidence. I'll like his posts too then.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 5, 2017 14:33:24 GMT
Not really, why would I be? A cynic would obviously be suspicious of someone who makes a point about the number of likes they get having another account liking all of their posts; but I'm sure it's just a coincidence. I'll like his posts too then. We're bordering on "Enemy Action" now!
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 5, 2017 14:48:21 GMT
I just hope the development of Mass Effect Andromeda wasn't like this... Damn... That makes me sad. Dead Space was my favorite survival horror franchise. It sounds like had the team been able to do what it wanted, they would have made Dead Space 2 on steroids, which sounds amazing. Of course, EA had them ruin the franchise and because Dead Space 3 sold so poorly, they put it on the shelf indefinitely... MEA won't have this issue though, considering BioWare has a much larger fan base with Mass Effect and Dragon Age than Visceral Games ever had with Dead Space. BioWare really has control over their own development (as well as the clout to get EA to delay the game) with the only input from EA being the online multiplayer microtransactions.
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Post by clips7 on Mar 5, 2017 16:36:36 GMT
I just hope the development of Mass Effect Andromeda wasn't like this... That's really unfortunate....but I actually thought the series progressed well. Based on it's storyline and how more folks became aware of the markers, it was only a matter of time before it went on the action side of things. DS3 was more action, but they still incorporated tight dark corridors that made you pause as you traveled deeper within those abandoned ships. The shootouts with the human enemies felt forced tho and what really hurt Dead Space 3 was it's reveal with the source of the marker itself....which was a REAL hokey plot setup.....all that buildup for such a lackluster source reveal. This is what happens tho when you have the suits trying to dictate how to sell a product. Some games just have to stay true to themselves. Like the Silent Hill series ( I love that franchise) ...it was never goingto be a blockbuster like Resident Evil, but it's charm was it's weird storylines with new characters being introduced for almost every outing. The series started to decline as soon as they tried to imitate aspects of the movie with the game "Homecoming" and tried to include more action concepts. I too waskinda skeptical when we saw so very little coverage of this game back in December when devs was stating they was working hard on this game. As far as I can tell, the game looks good and i'm not so sure Bioware has all the time in the world to release this game. EA has deadlines they have to meet for financial purposes and certain games have to be released within a certain timeframe for those commitments to be met. I guess since the game has gone gold already, the next gameplay vid we'll see hopefully will be from the finished product. I know early reviews stated that the game was buggy, but the only issues I had, at least with Peebees vid was the dialogue and maybe parts where enemies wasn't really reacting to enemy fire.....we'll see how the final product turns out. Overall game looks good tho....nothing like the bug-ridden mess that was Fallout 3 or 4.....
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Mar 5, 2017 17:28:18 GMT
I can't remember a single computer/console game I've bought that couldn't have used more refinement and dev time. Not an excuse, just a fact of life in an industry that has to release them often enough to make money. In as far as how bad the bugs will be... only time will tell.
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Post by pantherdane on Mar 5, 2017 17:47:33 GMT
Honestly, I think some of you need to take a couple Xanax and stay offline or avoid MEA news until release day. All this anxiety can't possibly be healthy. so much this. I see gloom and doom all the time here. reminds me of the D3 forums, constant hating and complaining. if the game sux, it will. if the game doesn't, then good. all the self proclaimed Nostradamus' that just KNOW its gonna be so bad without even playing a single second yet is just annoying. the most comical part is that no matter how the game turns out, these same people will still play 100,000+ hours complaining all the way about how bad this game sux, just to "save face", lol. maybe the doom and gloom people should go find the greatest game ever made and play it instead. those people on those forums need your expert advice and insight, o doom seers of all things.
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Post by pantherdane on Mar 5, 2017 17:54:24 GMT
I can't remember a single computer/console game I've bought that couldn't have used more refinement and dev time. Not an excuse, just a fact of life in an industry that has to release them often enough to make money. In as far as how bad the bugs will be... only time will tell. you cant explain things like this to all of the armchair Developers. they think its just a snap of their fingers and a trillion lines of code are instantly perfect and completely bug free. a snap of their fingers and the greatest story ever told is right there all written out in front of them with absolutely no plots holes at all. they think its so easy.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 5, 2017 18:03:29 GMT
Honestly, I think some of you need to take a couple Xanax and stay offline or avoid MEA news until release day. All this anxiety can't possibly be healthy. so much this. I see gloom and doom all the time here. reminds me of the D3 forums, constant hating and complaining. if the game sux, it will. if the game doesn't, then good. all the self proclaimed Nostradamus' that just KNOW its gonna be so bad without even playing a single second yet is just annoying. the most comical part is that no matter how the game turns out, these same people will still play 100,000+ hours complaining all the way about how bad this game sux, just to "save face", lol. maybe the doom and gloom people should go find the greatest game ever made and play it instead. those people on those forums need your expert advice and insight, o doom seers of all things. I really think it boils down to they expect BioWare to make "their personal game" for the comments about facial animations prove that to me. I haven't seen a game where you can have a character creator that has the level of animation they want it has only been in a fix protagonist game. So I would expect if BioWare gives them exactly what they want next game they will lbe the first to whine about the lack of a character creator.
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Post by squidney2k1 on Mar 5, 2017 18:10:40 GMT
The game went gold with more than 3 weeks to go.....and yet it will have a day-1 patch estimated to be 7-10 GB. If that's not a sign of a sloppy finish, I don't know what is.
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Post by keiji on Mar 5, 2017 18:19:12 GMT
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Post by aard on Mar 5, 2017 18:32:44 GMT
so much this. I see gloom and doom all the time here. reminds me of the D3 forums, constant hating and complaining. if the game sux, it will. if the game doesn't, then good. all the self proclaimed Nostradamus' that just KNOW its gonna be so bad without even playing a single second yet is just annoying. the most comical part is that no matter how the game turns out, these same people will still play 100,000+ hours complaining all the way about how bad this game sux, just to "save face", lol. maybe the doom and gloom people should go find the greatest game ever made and play it instead. those people on those forums need your expert advice and insight, o doom seers of all things. I really think it boils down to they expect BioWare to make "their personal game" for the comments about facial animations prove that to me. I haven't seen a game where you can have a character creator that has the level of animation they want it has only been in a fix protagonist game. So I would expect if BioWare gives them exactly what they want next game they will lbe the first to whine about the lack of a character creator. People are getting downright offended if Bioware does not make the game exactly how they want it. There is no perfect game because perfect means something different to every single one of us. I have learned a loooooong time ago (15+ years) that i enjoy my hobby of gaming so much more if i just accept Games the way they are. Enjoy whats good about them. If i have a constructive critism i will voice it. But i never focused on the bad things.. why should i? In my mind it would just ruin the fun. I am more than willing to forgive small issues.. and if the issues are too big a simply search for another Game that i enjoy more. It's the same with Movies or Music. I never would hate a Band because they have changed.. i have enough other Bands i can listen to instead.
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Post by aard on Mar 5, 2017 18:36:39 GMT
The game went gold with more than 3 weeks to go.....and yet it will have a day-1 patch estimated to be 7-10 GB. If that's not a sign of a sloppy finish, I don't know what is. 5+ GB Day 1 Patches are completly normal nowadays.. i am not saying it is good or not sloppy... its just that everybody does it
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 5, 2017 18:36:53 GMT
The game went gold with more than 3 weeks to go.....and yet it will have a day-1 patch estimated to be 7-10 GB. If that's not a sign of a sloppy finish, I don't know what is. The game has been feature locked for longer then that for it had to go to Sony and Microsoft prior to going gold and if they made any changes after that it would have to be certified again. I have read it takes at least four weeks for a game to be certified by both Sony and Microsoft so if that is true the disk has been locked for seven weeks, heck it could be all the way back from the beginning of January when they announced the release of the game the patch will apply to.
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Post by Camel on Mar 5, 2017 18:47:04 GMT
I'm kind of torn. It's not that I'm really looking forward to buy MEA on day 1 but if it's MP is as great as ME3 MP was then I'm tempted. It's a first Bioware game where I'm more interested in MP rather than singleplayer.
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