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Post by KingDarious BBB on Mar 3, 2017 23:57:45 GMT
Girl power > Sausage fest
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Post by slimgrin on Mar 3, 2017 23:58:56 GMT
Just more putang for my manly man-Ryder.
-man-Ryder sounds wrong. I mean lady-Ryder.
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Post by laxian on Mar 4, 2017 0:00:26 GMT
Anyways, women make up more than half the population. It shouldn't be that shocking to see women in leadership positions, especially since the Andromeda Initiative was started by a woman itself. Is it so inconceivable she would prefer to hire women in leadership positions? Own group preferance hm? At least that's what the crazies call that (MGTOWs) and they aren't wrong (women are more likely to help out other women! Unlike men who are more likely to help out women!)...no, I am not one (lucky me!), but some of what they say is actually true! ATM it's women who hold more cards in society than men, look at colleges and universities: - More female graduates (has been like this for years!) and no support programms for men (in fact: Women are still the ones being supported!)...then again: School treats boys like trash, too in many cases, so no wounder those boys don't go to university or college when they are older! - gender politics (safe spaces, censorship, women's days are cool, but days for men? Nope!) - female support groups (none or very few for men) - etc. etc. Shouldn't this issue be a thing of the past in the time of ME? I'd hope so! So not all positions should be in female hands (and neither should men dominate!) greetings LAX
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 4, 2017 0:07:14 GMT
Anyways, women make up more than half the population. It shouldn't be that shocking to see women in leadership positions, especially since the Andromeda Initiative was started by a woman itself. Is it so inconceivable she would prefer to hire women in leadership positions? Own group preferance hm? At least that's what the crazies call that (MGTOWs) and they aren't wrong (women are more likely to help out other women! Unlike men who are more likely to help out women!)...no, I am not one (lucky me!), but some of what they say is actually true! ATM it's women who hold more cards in society than men, look at colleges and universities: - More female graduates (has been like this for years!) and no support programms for men (in fact: Women are still the ones being supported!)...then again: School treats boys like trash, too in many cases, so no wounder those boys don't go to university or college when they are older! - gender politics (safe spaces, censorship, women's days are cool, but days for men? Nope!) - female support groups (none or very few for men) - etc. etc. Shouldn't this issue be a thing of the past in the time of ME? I'd hope so! So not all positions should be in female hands (and neither should men dominate!) greetings LAX Do all biases really disappear in the future? That's the major question, isn't it? Besides, we have no idea what the vetting process was. For all we know, she could have been picking the most qualified people for the positions that actually still wanted to stick with the Andromeda Initiative. That's a small sample size to begin with. Maybe it happened that most of the men who were desperate to be accepted into the Initiative weren't as qualified or, by chance, had prior commitments that prevented them from taking higher level positions. Besides, I thought people on the BSN were against tokenism. Are you saying they should pick men for the job just to make it look equal? Sounds very "SJW" of you. (Don't worry, I'm just teasing)
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Post by Mihura on Mar 4, 2017 0:18:15 GMT
Anyways, women make up more than half the population. It shouldn't be that shocking to see women in leadership positions, especially since the Andromeda Initiative was started by a woman itself. Is it so inconceivable she would prefer to hire women in leadership positions? Own group preferance hm? At least that's what the crazies call that (MGTOWs) and they aren't wrong (women are more likely to help out other women! Unlike men who are more likely to help out women!)...no, I am not one (lucky me!), but some of what they say is actually true! ATM it's women who hold more cards in society than men, look at colleges and universities: - More female graduates (has been like this for years!) and no support programms for men (in fact: Women are still the ones being supported!)...then again: School treats boys like trash, too in many cases, so no wounder those boys don't go to university or college when they are older! - gender politics (safe spaces, censorship, women's days are cool, but days for men? Nope!) - female support groups (none or very few for men) - etc. etc. Shouldn't this issue be a thing of the past in the time of ME? I'd hope so! So not all positions should be in female hands (and neither should men dominate!) greetings LAX I think you do not live in the real world or at least you never worked in any factories.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 4, 2017 0:31:04 GMT
Girl power > Sausage fest Indeed... let's face it, would there be a realistic number of females in MEA (or most games like that, really), they would be much more boring. Still, all that identity/gender politics in games (or comics, or meta!?, or magic the gathering, or...) has become annoying as of late...
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Post by feainn on Mar 4, 2017 1:07:25 GMT
I'm surprised I haven't broken out in hives after reading this pile of wank tbh
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Post by hawkeyes on Mar 4, 2017 1:11:19 GMT
This cringe-inducing line, on the other hand, can only be followed up by Ryder shouting "Hit it!", stripping off his space suit to reveal a sequined leotard, and then go-go dancing to Great Balls of Fire.
(Though, to be fair, that *would* be a better sequence.) Okay I told myself I wasn't going to reply again, but I have to say: only if one of the squad can be in the background doing the piano, ala (my vote's on Vetra, but Cora seems to be a little uptight, so maybe...) I hope I didn't butcher the reply script trying to get it to work correctly
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 4, 2017 2:04:48 GMT
I know this is a troll thread but just 6 or 7 years ago people would not have been losing their crap over who was what gender in a video game. I blame extremists on both sides. I blame both the likes of Anita and Gamergate. Having both genders represented in positions of power is nothing new to either video games or science fiction. Guess what Mass Effect is both a video game and a work of science fiction. I care more about biotically charging and incinerating enemies with my shotgun and how it will feel in this game.
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Post by sageoflife on Mar 4, 2017 3:01:04 GMT
*clears throat, does best ME1 mook impression*
Females everywhere!
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Post by SpaceMeatball on Mar 4, 2017 4:25:35 GMT
Before i give my thoughts on this, just see: -AI's Founder, Creator and Leader: Jien Garson -Director of Colonial Affairs: Foster Addison etc. I feel like you are doing what you claim to dislike - the elevation of one over the other. I know this is bait but I want to have a reasonable conversation so you, the OP, DON'T feel bad. So, we also have: Alec Ryder, All-Around Badass and clearly an authority figure. And a fine, fine example of a conventionally good-looking man. Doesn't matter if he's in the game 50 mins or 50 hours - dude will clearly hang over the proceedings whatever happens. Scott Ryder, Another Conventionally Good Looking Man Who is also The Playable Protagonist. And as a lady, I don't think his line is 'like a girl' at all. Someone else said Tony Stark, and that's pretty much how I saw it. And Tony Stark is not a bad dude to emulate. Liam Kosta, your f'n Crisis Response Specialist. Crisis. Response. So, basically Space SWAT. Kallo Jath, kickass Space Salamander Pilot Jarun Tann, Significant Salarian Politician Jaal - I know nothing about him beyond his Tactical Space Poncho, but the dude is enormous and looks like a brawler. Drack. THEN we also have allll the folks that we haven't yet met: Gil Brodie, CHIEF Engineer. Can't run those fancy ships without an Engineer. (in this - I would argue that BW could have flipped the trope of "Lady = Head Doctor" and "Man = Chief Engineer" here). Mystery Man Reyes, clearly someone of importance and influence. AND SO MANY MORE. Someone else made a point to me offline about how they hope that there would be 'equal opportunity villainy' for men and women in ME:A. You know what I have a hard time remembering in the OT? Bad bad lady villains. We got Brooks in DLC. Benezia was mind-controlled, doesn't count. Helena Blake, but you could convince her to reform her life. Aria was totally redeemable. Even MORINTH was given an 'out' by the fact of her genetics. But the dudes? They were just bad. Fist. That skeezy politician from Thane's loyalty quest. Harkin. Sidonis. Warden Kuril. Jacob's dad (and his officers). Han'Gerrel, that jerk. Creepy f-n Gavin Archer. Donovan Hock. Vido Santiago. The list goes on and on. We don't know anything about Jien, Foster, or Sloane really, except it looks like Sloane went bad. I would like more "gray" or even "morally bankrupt" ladies/other represented in video games because that's how the world really is. We're not all Nef's mother, or Rebecca the young mother Widow, or Khalisah the Punching Bag. There are some ladies that want to watch the world burn, and they want to burn it themselves and not for some dude. I would think that you, as a man, would also get tired of only seeing mostly men filling the "sleazy, evil asshole role". Don't jump to conclusions about characters you know nothing about based on their gender - find out their stories. I think there's something fishy about the whole lot of that AI crew.....
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 4, 2017 5:20:53 GMT
Well, Jedore and Nassana Dantius come to mind. But yeah, short list.
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Post by mmoblitz on Mar 4, 2017 12:16:51 GMT
It's Bioware where "PC" is king or is that queen? I'm fine with it.
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Post by pantherdane on Mar 4, 2017 13:42:30 GMT
looks about 50/50 to me. besides, it doesnt bother me to work with or for women.
what I am seeing with this thread is the reason why gamers are often single.
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Post by pantherdane on Mar 4, 2017 13:49:21 GMT
Girl power > Sausage fest I think I would rather see nothing but beautiful females than a sausage fest. This game has romancing and etc, so I will play as a male since I am a hetero male. When there is no romance in a game, I usually make my characters female. You should see my D3 lineup.
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Post by Lawrence0294 on Mar 4, 2017 14:49:52 GMT
Ok....
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Post by Banul on Mar 4, 2017 15:42:13 GMT
I'm bumping you up to 8/10 because you got to 5 pages and people are still replying
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Post by simsimillia on Mar 4, 2017 16:21:53 GMT
Before i give my thoughts on this, just see: -AI's Founder, Creator and Leader: Jien Garson -Director of Colonial Affairs: Foster Addison etc. I feel like you are doing what you claim to dislike - the elevation of one over the other. I know this is bait but I want to have a reasonable conversation so you, the OP, DON'T feel bad. So, we also have: Alec Ryder, All-Around Badass and clearly an authority figure. And a fine, fine example of a conventionally good-looking man. Doesn't matter if he's in the game 50 mins or 50 hours - dude will clearly hang over the proceedings whatever happens. Scott Ryder, Another Conventionally Good Looking Man Who is also The Playable Protagonist. And as a lady, I don't think his line is 'like a girl' at all. Someone else said Tony Stark, and that's pretty much how I saw it. And Tony Stark is not a bad dude to emulate. Liam Kosta, your f'n Crisis Response Specialist. Crisis. Response. So, basically Space SWAT. Kallo Jath, kickass Space Salamander Pilot Jarun Tann, Significant Salarian Politician Jaal - I know nothing about him beyond his Tactical Space Poncho, but the dude is enormous and looks like a brawler. Drack. THEN we also have allll the folks that we haven't yet met: Gil Brodie, CHIEF Engineer. Can't run those fancy ships without an Engineer. (in this - I would argue that BW could have flipped the trope of "Lady = Head Doctor" and "Man = Chief Engineer" here). Mystery Man Reyes, clearly someone of importance and influence. AND SO MANY MORE. Someone else made a point to me offline about how they hope that there would be 'equal opportunity villainy' for men and women in ME:A. You know what I have a hard time remembering in the OT? Bad bad lady villains. We got Brooks in DLC. Benezia was mind-controlled, doesn't count. Helena Blake, but you could convince her to reform her life. Aria was totally redeemable. Even MORINTH was given an 'out' by the fact of her genetics. But the dudes? They were just bad. Fist. That skeezy politician from Thane's loyalty quest. Harkin. Sidonis. Warden Kuril. Jacob's dad (and his officers). Han'Gerrel, that jerk. Creepy f-n Gavin Archer. Donovan Hock. Vido Santiago. The list goes on and on. We don't know anything about Jien, Foster, or Sloane really, except it looks like Sloane went bad. I would like more "gray" or even "morally bankrupt" ladies/other represented in video games because that's how the world really is. We're not all Nef's mother, or Rebecca the young mother Widow, or Khalisah the Punching Bag. There are some ladies that want to watch the world burn, and they want to burn it themselves and not for some dude. I would think that you, as a man, would also get tired of only seeing mostly men filling the "sleazy, evil asshole role". Don't jump to conclusions about characters you know nothing about based on their gender - find out their stories. I think there's something fishy about the whole lot of that AI crew..... Morinth doesn't get an out. There are plenty of Ardat-Yakshi who don't go 'round the 'verse killing. She's an evil space vamp. There is also Jedore (Miranda loyalty mission), who kills the Dock Worker for no reason and is an all around bitch. Then there is Wasea (Samara Recruitment) another all around bitch. Nassana Dantius is despicable...she mows down her workers after all. Admiral Xen might not be directly evil, but a far cry from good and certainly ruthless. Then there is the backstabbing bitch Brooks and don't forget the Asari Spectre you fight in Shadowbroker (forgot her name).
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Post by brunobyof on Mar 4, 2017 16:22:29 GMT
I'm bumping you up to 8/10 because you got to 5 pages and people are still replying that shit works wonders, doesn't it?
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Post by blanks on Mar 4, 2017 17:42:54 GMT
I'm unbelievably upset that the asian woman captaining a ship has crashed into something and the white man won't stop and ask for directions. What's next, some latin character randomly shouting 'loco' at me? A black guy who can't control his temper? Fisher Stevens playing an indian character?
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Post by degs29 on Mar 4, 2017 23:14:00 GMT
She starts off as second-in-command to Alec Ryder, who is pathfinder on Hyperion. That would make her second-in-command on the Hyperion. I'm still not clear on how Bro- or Sis-Ryder play into the Hyperion/Tempest thing. If we replace Alec as pathfinder, do we also take command of Hyperion? Or is the position of pathfinder something other than the leader of each Ark? Why do you think the pathfinder is in command of the Hyperion? I haven't got that impression from anywhere. Because, as brunobyof pointed out (thanks for that), the language they use in Alec's bio makes it seem like he is. Like I said, I don't know it for fact. But the impression I get is that the Hyperion is the Pathfinder's base of operations, with the Tempest and Nomad being tools for further exploration. But this is not clear. In fact, I haven't seen anything in the marketing about how the Hyperion plays into things except for initially waking up in Andromeda. I'm thinking the Hyperion will be more or less stationary at the Nexus, except at certain story points.
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Post by Wulfram on Mar 4, 2017 23:37:45 GMT
Why do you think the pathfinder is in command of the Hyperion? I haven't got that impression from anywhere. Because, as brunobyof pointed out (thanks for that), the language they use in Alec's bio makes it seem like he is. Like I said, I don't know it for fact. But the impression I get is that the Hyperion is the Pathfinder's base of operations, with the Tempest and Nomad being tools for further exploration. But this is not clear. In fact, I haven't seen anything in the marketing about how the Hyperion plays into things except for initially waking up in Andromeda. I'm thinking the Hyperion will be more or less stationary at the Nexus, except at certain story points. Well, the first 13 minutes video has clarified things I think "You may be pathfinder, but this is my ship"
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Post by degs29 on Mar 4, 2017 23:42:56 GMT
Because, as brunobyof pointed out (thanks for that), the language they use in Alec's bio makes it seem like he is. Like I said, I don't know it for fact. But the impression I get is that the Hyperion is the Pathfinder's base of operations, with the Tempest and Nomad being tools for further exploration. But this is not clear. In fact, I haven't seen anything in the marketing about how the Hyperion plays into things except for initially waking up in Andromeda. I'm thinking the Hyperion will be more or less stationary at the Nexus, except at certain story points. Well, the first 13 minutes video has clarified things I think "You may be pathfinder, but this is my ship" Didn't watch it because I don't want spoilers. Also, apparently quoting someone with a spoiler exposes the spoiler to you. Fu....
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Post by ATR16 on Mar 5, 2017 0:22:11 GMT
I couldn't really care, I just hope that there is isn't a "LOOK AT ALL THE WOMEN RUNNING STUFF" moment or dialogue.
Its been a weird trend in Bioware games since I started playing them in 2007 or so. Being gay and having women in positions of power was just treated as normal, especially in Dragon Age. But in recent years through games and extended media, they've gone more meta with real world stuff and retconning it to be taboo or groundbreaking or whatever.
I kinda liked the old way where it was just like "Yup, being gay in Thedas is totes normal and no one really cares", but then by DAI its a massive taboo thing. In early DA games it was the norm to have women at the head of a nation, and especially the chantry and all of its subdivisions. It was just how it was. But then in DAI I remember some dialogues specifically (maybe only 2 or 3) where it was like made a point to be like "WOMEN CAN RUN STUFF TOO" about Orlais/The Seekers. Yeah I know, I've played games in this universe for a decade, where it was established that people is just people and some people just happen to have different bits or like different bits.
I always felt that was just a much more nuanced stance. It doesn't really bother me, I just kinda liked that form of messaging. Maybe it was a sign of the times where there would have been more backlash against coming right out and saying it even 5 years ago, I guess.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 5, 2017 2:52:42 GMT
I find it's most in their panels, cons and in the actor-promo videos that BioWare really show their feminist agenda. They dedicated a lot of Alyx Hilton Regan's promo reel for Inquisition to talk about how "There's transgender, there's strong female leaders!" and the same for ME3 with Jen always, always talking about how she was honored to play a leader who was female.
It can also be they're just very progressive people as actresses, and regardless I like them both, but it's obvious if you look at Twitter and what have you that BioWare devs preach about this stuff. Patrick Weekes went to a bar for transgender people so he could write Krem, and that's the most notable form of research I could find has been done about DA:I, and Patrick has said in the past that he thinks BioWare has very "canadian values" as artists so you can't pretend there's not a lot of conscious social justice in their games. The question becomes whether it's necessarily a bad thing, and I always find myself stopping at "Well, there's just as good reasons to be for it as there is against it on both fronts."
Personally I just find it all pretty redundant. I dig cool female characters that aren't sexualized or anything, I like Sera in Inquisition, I like Traynor in ME3 a lot, but there was so much dedication to having Krem as a feature in DA:I which also contradicts lore they made in DA:O at some point, directly, but that's actually cool because it ends up playing into the fact that Iron Bull is a qunari who is a very un-qunari person.
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