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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 5, 2017 4:33:14 GMT
Ok Ok please don't hate me too much for bringing up his name, I just thought everyone should check out this video.
BTW heard a rumor he actually got fired.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 5, 2017 4:42:35 GMT
Racism is stupid. I'll judge a person by their number of Likes, not the color of their skin.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 5, 2017 4:49:11 GMT
I legit know a guy who won't buy MEA because of that guy. I think that's an overreaction, but it's something. Bioware should have left this guy by now.
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Post by ryerye17 on Mar 5, 2017 4:58:06 GMT
I don't understand the hatred for Manveer.
Do understand that I am a POC, an immigrant, a gender minority, living in Canada. To pretend that racism doesn't exist, to pretend that white superiority doesn't exist, to pretend that systematized racism doesn't exist -- is PRIVILEGE. We have been marginalized, denied jobs, been discriminated in the workplace, been discriminated at bars, be freaking discriminated in the metro because of the color of our skin.
What Manveer is doing is NOT racism. It is protest. It is reclaiming power that has been lost. To simply say, oh what if it were a white guy talking trash about a POC is a faulty analogy. A white guy talking trash about POC is simply exercising his racial dominance and his superiority, challenging no new issues but simply reasserting what is happening. That paradigm does not exist in what Manveer is doing -- it is the opposite as he is the minority.
This kind of dialogue can be present in MRA, Manninists, Heterophoboes, Straight Pride, etc. It simply does not exist unless you have marginalized historically and personally.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 5, 2017 5:01:08 GMT
This guy is conflating freedom of speech with BW having double standards. Is Manveer Heir the disgusting racist allowed to say what he wants? Absolutely (well, as long as he is not calling for violence directly, which he is rather close to). Would Bioware tolerate a racist with the opposite view? I highly doubt it. Treating different types of racism with different standards is abhorrent. Period. Does that mean that you should boycott BW? That's your decision. That point has been stated to death by now.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 5, 2017 5:01:17 GMT
I don't understand the hatred for Manveer. Do understand that I am a POC, an immigrant, a gender minority, living in Canada. To pretend that racism doesn't exist, to pretend that white superiority doesn't exist, to pretend that systematized racism doesn't exist -- is PRIVILEGE. We have been marginalized, denied jobs, been discriminated in the workplace, been discriminated at bars, be freaking discriminated in the metro because of the color of our skin. What Manveer is doing is NOT racism. It is protest. It is reclaiming power that has been lost. To simply say, oh what if it were a white guy talking trash about a POC is a faulty analogy. A white guy talking trash about POC is simply exercising his racial dominance and his superiority, challenging no new issues but simply reasserting what is happening. That paradigm does not exist in what Manveer is doing -- it is the opposite as he is the minority. This kind of dialogue can be present in MRA, Manninists, Heterophoboes, Straight Pride, etc. It simply does not exist unless you have marginalized historically and personally. Perfect example of how these things snowball into shitstorms. Two wrongs make a right, and the guy is now a hero to someone.
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Post by Toyish Batphone on Mar 5, 2017 5:04:32 GMT
I don't understand the hatred for Manveer. Do understand that I am a POC, an immigrant, a gender minority, living in Canada. To pretend that racism doesn't exist, to pretend that white superiority doesn't exist, to pretend that systematized racism doesn't exist -- is PRIVILEGE. We have been marginalized, denied jobs, been discriminated in the workplace, been discriminated at bars, be freaking discriminated in the metro because of the color of our skin. What Manveer is doing is NOT racism. It is protest. It is reclaiming power that has been lost. To simply say, oh what if it were a white guy talking trash about a POC is a faulty analogy. A white guy talking trash about POC is simply exercising his racial dominance and his superiority, challenging no new issues but simply reasserting what is happening. That paradigm does not exist in what Manveer is doing -- it is the opposite as he is the minority. This kind of dialogue can be present in MRA, Manninists, Heterophoboes, Straight Pride, etc. It simply does not exist unless you have marginalized historically and personally. An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 5, 2017 5:07:02 GMT
Manveer Heir the disgusting racist Lol
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 5, 2017 5:10:44 GMT
Yeah, racism is so funny man.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 5, 2017 5:10:55 GMT
I think Manveer is their secret Marketing spice. They created a controversial persona to get people talking and even non-fans will look over to see what this "racist game designer of a huge game release!" is about and voila, new fans. Yeah, racism is so funny man. Sums up what I've been thinking a lot.
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Post by bryanky5 on Mar 5, 2017 5:12:08 GMT
So..who is excited for Mass Effect: Andromeda?!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 5:12:47 GMT
So..who is excited for Mass Effect: Andromeda?! *raises hand*
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Post by Fredward on Mar 5, 2017 5:13:43 GMT
He is pretty unpleasant. Boycotting the game seems dramatic but I guess everybody gets to choose the hill they die on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 5:14:24 GMT
Yeah, racism is so funny man. Racism is a joke when you think about it. It's so stupid and illogical to hate a human being because of their skin color that it's just remarkable how serious people are about it. Racist jokes make fun of racism. I don't get why people knock others for making those jokes.
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Post by ryerye17 on Mar 5, 2017 5:14:24 GMT
No. Sorry, but no. When you're in a position of power, you kind of can't use the discrimination card. It just doesn't work and -- quite frankly -- is rather offensive to those of us who do not enjoy the same privilege.
There's a reason "Anything a man can do, a woman can." is empowering. But "Women take too much space" does not. There's a reason "Black Lives Matter" is powerful but "All Lives Matter" is offensive. There's a reason "Same Love" resonates but "Straight Pride" is illogical.
You enjoy privilege. We do not. You have not been the victim of discrimination all your life.
This is gonna be my last post in this thread. I understand a lot of people don't share my views and that's fine but I'm gonna stop engaging at this point.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 5, 2017 5:14:29 GMT
So..who is excited for Mass Effect: Andromeda?! *raises hand* Like this?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 5:20:29 GMT
Racism is a joke when you think about it. It's so stupid and illogical to hate a human being because of their skin color that it's just remarkable how serious people are about it. Racist jokes make fun of racism. I don't get why people knock others for making those jokes. Manveer is not joking.
Anyway, the issue is not racist jokes, the issue is BW's having double standards.
I know he's not which is what I was alluding to when I said: "It's so stupid and illogical to hate a human being because of their skin color that it's just remarkable how serious people are about it." And i agree Bioware should've taken some action against it right when the guy started tweeting that crap. It gets attention, but the wrong kind of attention.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 5, 2017 5:20:46 GMT
Manveer heir wasn't a slave. Neither were his ancestors. I'm not even the type of white that has any connection to slavery.
Anyway, since when is it okay to punish people for the sins of their distant ancestors?
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Post by Fredward on Mar 5, 2017 5:23:46 GMT
There's a reason "Anything a man can do, a woman can." is empowering. But "Women take too much space" does not. There's a reason "Black Lives Matter" is powerful but "All Lives Matter" is offensive. There's a reason "Same Love" resonates but "Straight Pride" is illogical. I dunno if the comparison works, tbh. The things you list are aimed at building up/defining or endorsing an identity that is equal to the mainstream vs this: Can you really say any of these tweets are in the same vein as the slogans you list? Are even aimed in the same direction? A hostile gaming dev is a reach for "Help I'm being repressed!" card but that also doesn't mean what he's doing is completely fine either.
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Post by PermTrouble on Mar 5, 2017 5:25:52 GMT
I could probably get behind the idea of racism only counting if included "power punching downward", if this perceived "power" were an actual measurable metric.
When does it become not ok to spew hatred towards white people, who is the arbiter of denouncing this type of behavior in any type of socially "official" capacity? It's my opinion that judging and hating on people because of race, gender, or class is nothing more than hateful othering that itself should be denounced.
As far as Manveer himself goes, he seems like a dick. I'm still going to play mass effect, I'll just also keep saying the same damn thing every time this topic rolls around.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 5:26:43 GMT
Anyways, I wonder how long it'll take the mods to lock this thread. Not really related to the game itself.
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Post by bryanky5 on Mar 5, 2017 5:28:29 GMT
Anyways, I wonder how long it'll take the mods to lock this thread. Not really related to the game itself. I'm counting down to it right now.
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Post by Pearl on Mar 5, 2017 5:29:13 GMT
Good lord. I think Manveer is a reprehensible person, and even I'm tired of this discussion. Racism is not "prejudice + power", racism is harboring negative sentiments towards a person or group of people based on their race. Which Manveer has a history of doing. However, he is free to say these things, just as people are free to judge him for saying them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 5:30:35 GMT
Racism is stupid. /thread
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