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Post by armass81 on Mar 6, 2017 15:31:56 GMT
So we see another ancient race in Andromeda, the remnants, or at least whats left of them maybe, their robots.
So put up theories here about the remnant, who were they, what did they do, where did they go?
I have some theories of my own
1. The remnant left the galaxy, leaving behind their guardians to watch over species. Maybe their vaults is a test of sorts, prize for a species in technological gifts, that proves their worth by beating their guardians/puzzles. Or their robots are new way of keeping "balance" in the galaxy, ie reapers that are different reapers.
2. The remnants were wiped out by their synthetic creations, what we see is all that is left.
3. The remnants became those synthetic creations, ascending flesh.
4. The true remnants are hiding somewhere, maybe observing and supervising, wizard behind the curtain, that sort of stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 15:53:03 GMT
My theory is that the remnants are the remnants of a species that have already be absorbed by the domineering Kett (Kett being the Andromedan equivalent of the Protheans or the Leviathan, who tried to take their place as the "apex" species of their cycle by effectively enslaving all the other species. That is, Javik claimed that all the sapient species of his cycle eventually called themselves Prothean.) The Reapers are just a more mechanical and extreme example of such cultural absorption because they physically "changed" the material form of each species into something that looked like them. I believe the Kett are doing much the same thing as the Reapers, but in a more organic way. I also think the Angarans are next on the Kett's target list and are in the process of resisting when we enter the galaxy.
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Post by sageoflife on Mar 6, 2017 15:57:34 GMT
I think that the Remnant visited the Milky Way at some point, and their technology was used in the Andromeda Initiative.
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Post by armass81 on Mar 6, 2017 15:58:01 GMT
Its pretty clear the angara are fighting against the kett, from what ive gathered, since Jaal is a resistance fighter and all that.
Theres been theories going around that the angara and the kett are actually 2 halves of the same species, the latter being some kind of mutated/evolved form of the angara, its a pretty intresting theory actually.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 16:10:02 GMT
Its pretty clear the angara are fighting against the kett, from what ive gathered, since Jaal is a resistance fighter and all that. Theres been theories going around that the angara and the kett are actually 2 halves of the same species, the latter being some kind of mutated/evolved form of the angara, its a pretty intresting theory actually. The remnant can also be genetically part of the same species... just like "extinct" races here on earth were/are still part of the human species. Given that the area we're in is limited to a single cluster, it's not inconceivable that all the sapient species we meet may be genetically related somehow. It may be that our arrival is the first introduction of species that are truly "alien" (unrelated genetically in any way) to the species that already exist within the cluster.
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Post by admiralbonetopickmk2 on Mar 6, 2017 17:46:05 GMT
I was hoping they'd completely do away with all this ancient alien civilisation(no doubt some "end of the world" trope will be in there somewhere too) stuff tbh. We had three games worth of that. Do something different instead of a tired rehashing of what came before.
I was hoping for a more contained story in which you're not the savior or guide of humanity or the universe, but just someone who is important within the pocket of the more personal and contained story within the universe. But people love space jesus stories it seems so I never really had my hopes up.
Its just i find anything that ends with "....fate of the world/universe/humanity" is an automatic turn off. I understand that this is an RPG, but i wish for once some one would go: "uh, why are we entrusting the future of our planet to this one guy? why can't we vote?" RPG are about making important decisions, but important decisions don't always involve balancing the fate or a race or a planet. I hope im prooven wrong though with Andromeda's story. But Bioware love all this shit when it comes to their strories. So we'll see i guess.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 18:07:41 GMT
I was hoping they'd completely do away with all this ancient alien civilisation(no doubt some "end of the world" trope will be in there somewhere too) stuff tbh. We had three games worth of that. Do something different instead of a tired rehashing of what came before. I was hoping for a more contained story in which you're not the savior or guide of humanity or the universe, but just someone who is important within the pocket of the more personal and contained story within the universe. But people love space jesus stories it seems so I never really had my hopes up. Its just i find anything that ends with "....fate of the world/universe/humanity" is an automatic turn off. I understand that this is an RPG, but i wish for once some one would go: "uh, why are we entrusting the future of our planet to this one guy? why can't we vote?" RPG are about making important decisions, but important decisions don't always involve balancing the fate or a race or a planet. I hope im prooven wrong though with Andromeda's story. But Bioware love all this shit when it comes to their strories. So we'll see i guess. I honestly don't see how the existence of ancient civilizations arbitrarily means that the story is about a "space Jesus" or that the story can't be about someone "who is important within the pocket of the more personal and contained story within the universe." Does acknowledging the existence of the Inca mean that a story about South America can't be about something more personal than saving the entire world. Why can't it be about something, say, akin to the idea that there are only six degrees of separation between all of the peoples on earth despite centuries of evolution and limited interaction among some cultures due to natural boundaries and technological limitations?
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Post by Cirvante on Mar 6, 2017 18:08:32 GMT
Its pretty clear the angara are fighting against the kett, from what ive gathered, since Jaal is a resistance fighter and all that. Theres been theories going around that the angara and the kett are actually 2 halves of the same species, the latter being some kind of mutated/evolved form of the angara, its a pretty intresting theory actually. It would be similar to what Bioware did in swtor with the Voss and the Gormak on the planet Voss.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 18:24:29 GMT
Why can't it be about something, say, akin to the idea that there are only six degrees of separation between all of the peoples on earth despite centuries of evolution and limited interaction among some cultures due to natural boundaries and technological limitations? With the exception of bacteria, fruit flies, etc., several centuries is a negligible amount on the evolutionary timescale. We're descended from a tiny population that was at the verge of extinction, less than 300000 years ago, so in a very literal sense (not in a sentimental metaphorical sense) mankind really is one big family. Besides all other species under the genus Homo went extinct. ... but more on topic; I hope they do something interesting with the hidden history trope (Atlantis, 'Ancient Aliens', etc.) this time around. It's very prevalent in popular entertainment, and probably for good reason (I mean, you can write pretty interesting mysteries under that rubric); but some more variation is due, I think.
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Post by Vortex13 on Mar 6, 2017 19:14:52 GMT
My current prevailing theory is that the Remnant are in fact a collection of Von Nuemann probes that have either been dormant or "recently" arrived in the Hellios cluster.
The reason why the planets are no longer "golden worlds" is that the Remnant are terraforming the environment into a condition more suited for it's creators. While undoubtedly a callused approach to any native life on the planet in question, it wouldn't necessarily be any different than human terraforming efforts; just on a much larger and more efficient scale. Plus, from previous gameplay footage we can see that the vaults do contain preserved specimens of various flora and fauna so it wouldn't be anything actively malicious in the machines' operations.
I really want the Remnant to have a logical (and hopefully 'alien') motivation/directive for what they are doing; one that is not laughably evil just for the sake of having an antagonist. But, if the Remnant are ultimately going to be the Reapers 2.0 I would prefer that they actually have a measure of nuance and logical consistency about them as opposed to going with "Beyond your comprehension" and "Yo dawg" as explanations.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Mar 6, 2017 22:07:34 GMT
I wonder if the remnant are anything like the spherebuilders in star trek enterprise?
A trans dimensional species that built giant spheres in order to create an energy field that engulfed thousands of light years. This was to alter space to make it more habitable for their species by altering space with the spheres energy field to conform to the conditions of their transdimensional realm. This would have the side effect of killing all other species that existed in this region because the spherebuilders realm was incompatible with milky way life.
Now we have arks on many worlds that seem to be emitting their own energy field and altering the conditions of the planet and space around it, similar to star treks spheres.
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Post by guanxi on Mar 6, 2017 22:36:55 GMT
I'll go for the boring occam's razor option. It's called Helios for a reason - the giant celestial core at the center entered an intense warming or cooling period which changed planetary conditions throughout Helios - planets were no longer capable of sustaining life again until relatively recently in the past 10k years which is why the Angara are similar to us technologically.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 22:38:35 GMT
Why can't it be about something, say, akin to the idea that there are only six degrees of separation between all of the peoples on earth despite centuries of evolution and limited interaction among some cultures due to natural boundaries and technological limitations? With the exception of bacteria, fruit flies, etc., several centuries is a negligible amount on the evolutionary timescale. We're descended from a tiny population that was at the verge of extinction, less than 300000 years ago, so in a very literal sense (not in a sentimental metaphorical sense) mankind really is one big family. Besides all other species under the genus Homo went extinct. ... but more on topic; I hope they do something interesting with the hidden history trope (Atlantis, 'Ancient Aliens', etc.) this time around. It's very prevalent in popular entertainment, and probably for good reason (I mean, you can write pretty interesting mysteries under that rubric); but some more variation is due, I think. Still doesn't mean that any "ancient alien" theme has to be taken in the same old direction nor does Andromeda's history actually have to precisely mirror our own to be about something different than "finding an ancient tech solution that enables us to win a current war." (which is what the ME Trilogy did with it). I'm hopeful this story is more about forming aliiances to grow colonies in cooperation with each other than about just shooting everything that moves and using any tech we find to just build bigger, more lethal weapons.
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Post by n7vakarian on Mar 6, 2017 22:45:47 GMT
As long as they have nothing to do with the Reapers, that story is over so something new now
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 6, 2017 23:20:54 GMT
They became the Beings of Light.
This is their technology left over.
We are cosmic pawns.
Even the Reapers and their Intelligence do not reach their level.
They are not just bad guys.
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Post by Vortex13 on Mar 6, 2017 23:36:46 GMT
I know one thing the Remnant better NOT be: "Ancient Advanced Humans".
Seriously, that has to be one of the most asinine sci-if tropes in existence, and I would officially be done with Mass Effect if that turns out to be the big reveal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 23:38:22 GMT
They became the Beings of Light. This is their technology left over. We are cosmic pawns. Even the Reapers and their Intelligence do not reach their level. They are not just bad guys. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be something like that; except it reeks too strongly of Star Trek. Star Trek did that in TOS and TNG alike -- a species 'evolving' to the point where they become immortal disembodied beings. Though once again, you gotta love their conception of evolution: Both TOS and TNG treat it, as though it's something that has a 'purpose'; or, that is a matter of 'progress'. TNG, actually went even farther and did something downright embarrassing, where evolution is the kind of thing that just happens to an individual during his lifetime. A rescued alien guy keeps getting seizures; turns out he's evolving into a light-man ... as if he's a pokemon or something. (Not that I know anything about pokemon, but I seem to remember there being a bullcrap version of 'evolution' there too.) There are some new age cults and such, that abuse the term evolution similarly. Supposedly we're on the way to becoming disembodied beings, etc. But anyway; it could be interesting. Especially if they've 'transcended' space and time, and can 'see' simultaneously from outside physical reality, what happens at any point in history, at any location. So maybe they can eventually tell us about the Reaper war, etc. Now that's very likely, of course.....
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Post by Cypher on Mar 6, 2017 23:39:12 GMT
Remnant have their own mass relay tech that we'll discover either in the critical path or a post-endgame sidequest and DLC that will be expanded on in the next Andromeda focused game.
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Post by tomb85 on Mar 6, 2017 23:56:07 GMT
Has there been any suggestion that the remnant have intelligence? I've not seen a lot but there are all machines correct? But they aren't AI's? Just basically left over machinery.
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Post by ravenous on Mar 7, 2017 0:02:01 GMT
I'd like to know more about the Remnant, are the machines that we see what is left over of the Remnant. So if the Remnant were around they would be what like the protheans of the andromeda galaxy
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Post by Cypher on Mar 7, 2017 0:14:07 GMT
Has there been any suggestion that the remnant have intelligence? I've not seen a lot but there are all machines correct? But they aren't AI's? Just basically left over machinery. They're probably closer to VI than actual AI though.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 7, 2017 0:17:02 GMT
I want there to be a secret Remnant conspiracy that no one in-game believes is the case but later turns out to be the case. Either way, I'm eager to learn about them and their place in their story and how they differ from other synthetics in the franchise.
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Post by tomb85 on Mar 7, 2017 0:17:34 GMT
Has there been any suggestion that the remnant have intelligence? I've not seen a lot but there are all machines correct? But they aren't AI's? Just basically left over machinery. They're probably closer to VI than actual AI though. Yeah that what I thought. So basically they are left over machines from a species that disappeared/died out.
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Post by malanek on Mar 7, 2017 0:43:19 GMT
One of the first trailers we saw was playing to Johnny Cash, Riders in the sky. Now this could well have simply been in reference to our characters name but at the time some people wondered if there was more to it. After all Yannick Roy did say
No, sorry, because there are very good reasons for that choice of song for the trailer that should become clear later on.
So what might it mean? Imo the leak talking about us hunting Remnant tech and the lyrics...
As the riders loped on by him he heard one call his name If you want to save your soul from hell a-riding on our range Then cowboy change your ways today or with us you will ride Trying to catch the devil's herd, across these endless skies
...are likely to be important. Although the Remnant could be represented by the devils heard (what they are chasing) I think they are actually more likely the Ghost Riders. They chased after (or developed) technology, this technology (that we now believe is theirs) and it ultimately destroyed what they were somehow leaving only a remnant behind. The song is a warning to abandon the hunt.
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Post by farsight on Mar 7, 2017 1:01:45 GMT
Its pretty clear the angara are fighting against the kett, from what ive gathered, since Jaal is a resistance fighter and all that. Theres been theories going around that the angara and the kett are actually 2 halves of the same species, the latter being some kind of mutated/evolved form of the angara, its a pretty intresting theory actually. It would be similar to what Bioware did in swtor with the Voss and the Gormak on the planet Voss. Ugh don't mention those dumbasses. I hated them so much. If this game hits those lows we're in some super trouble.
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