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Post by jalis on Mar 9, 2017 21:17:44 GMT
Sorry Crutchcriket, it missed the quote in previous answer.
-- A civilization that can go extragalactic would outclass one that can't in weapons and maneuverability and would not need to reverse engineer anything from the lesser developed civilization. If the rachni had that, they'd have won the Rachni Wars, krogan or no. --
I simply said, having technology to travel to an other galaxy, or simply be able to long travel, dont means you have Superior technology in every domain allowing you to win a war. I think it is applying to Rachni the same pattern of development than human / councils races, and it is not obviuous to be be the right way.
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Post by Vortex13 on Mar 9, 2017 21:34:01 GMT
The two galaxies are't quite that far apart, only 2.5 million light years. Now would it require a bit of handwaving to say that the Rachni ship could make the trip in a relatively reasonable amount of time? Sure, no question about that, but I don't think it would require the Rachni to somehow develop a massive leap in technological prowess relative to the rest of the galaxy. I mean, the species of the Andromeda Initiative are now all technically extra-galactic, but they aren't wildly more advanced than any of the other species back in the Milky Way or in Andromeda because of that. All a Rachni colony ship would need is a steady speed, and a means of keeping the egg(s) in a state of inactivity without compromising their health. Even if we were to assume that a Rachni vessel could only manage an average FTL speed of 1 light year per day, as opposed to the 12-13 per day that the modern ships were averaging, you are only looking at a travel time of 6,844.625 years. Quite long by human standards, but if you were to assume that a single egg could remain in stasis for up to 2,000 years that's only three or four generations needed. The Rachni could have a system wherein a ship is sent with a single queen who waits until she is nearing death and then lays an egg to wait two thousand years before hatching and continuing the process again. That way they would only need to have enough supplies for however long it takes 3-4 queens to reach maturity and then lay an egg themselves; effectively daisy-chaining a generational line until they could reach their destination. All new born queens would have the memories of their mothers to ensure they are knowledgable about their situation, so information loss wouldn't be an issue either. As for static build up, the Rachni ships could have a much higher threshold for waste heat and discharge due to their naturally higher tolerances as a species, and even if levels got too high, who's to say one of the queens couldn't lay a small clutch of workers to climb out on the hull of the ship and discharge the excess energy into their own bodies; sacrificing themselves for the hive? I don't know if I'd go that far. The AI is a one way trip and highy experimental. Apart from the Arks the rest of their technology seems to be about the same level- only local, cluster level FTL, no significant advancement of weaponry or other esoteric tech. So I wouldn't really call them "extragalactic" as far as tech level goes. Not to mention that the question of motivation is ever present. Why would one cross into a new galaxy? For the rachni, who can settle on many more worlds than the rest of the species, this question is more important, not less. They would again need to be pushed or pulled into doing so, going in either direction. I would assume that the Rachni would be going to Andromeda for the same (secret) reason the Initiative does: to escape the Reapers. Being able to colonized a vast array of worlds won't matter much if the metal-Cuthulus come in and wipe you out.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 9, 2017 21:48:44 GMT
Sorry Crutchcriket, it missed the quote in previous answer. -- A civilization that can go extragalactic would outclass one that can't in weapons and maneuverability and would not need to reverse engineer anything from the lesser developed civilization. If the rachni had that, they'd have won the Rachni Wars, krogan or no. -- I simply said, having technology to travel to an other galaxy, or simply be able to long travel, dont means you have Superior technology in every domain allowing you to win a war. I think it is applying to Rachni the same pattern of development than human / councils races, and it is not obviuous to be be the right way. There's two concepts at play here: Having the technology to go to another galaxy- the AI has the technology to go to another galaxy vs Being at an extragalactic level of tech- the AI (i.e. Mass Effect) civilizations are not extragalactic level. The difference is, is the technology widespread (as in, full regular production?) Or is it experimental/one shot? If it's the latter, like it is in the AI, then yeah that doesn't say much about their tech level otherwise (though its still an indication of great potential). If it's the former though... The thing is travelling to another galaxy is so difficult it almost can't be done conventionally (even considering FTL "conventional"). Thus to do it regularly, you pretty much have to come up with some really esoteric way of doing it (bending space, pocket dimensions and other shenanigans). And if you have that, that's not all you can do with it. There are so many applications for stuff like that, it becomes impossible not to consider a race who's mastered it objectively superior technologically. It has nothing to do with culture or or alien perceptions. Physics pretty much tells us it's impossible to travel distances like that and treat it the same way as going to the corner store. So if you have a race in fiction that can treat it like going to the corner store, it's only because they've found a way to make physics their bitch. And if that happens, how can you not conclude they're superior technologically?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 9, 2017 21:51:43 GMT
I would assume that the Rachni would be going to Andromeda for the same (secret) reason the Initiative does: to escape the Reapers. Being able to colonized a vast array of worlds won't matter much if the metal-Cuthulus come in and wipe you out. Actually it would. Because the Reapers literally trap their victims to only 1% of the galaxy via reliance on relays. Which means if the Rachni were to spread to the other 99% via reliable long-range FTL (or even giving zero fucks about travelling for thousands of years as you've pointed out) they could potentially never be found. Space is really, really, really big
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Post by jalis on Mar 10, 2017 3:01:26 GMT
My feeling is Rachni is not important for bioware. It is a race created for a seconadary quest purpose. It had not be developped, and by the way, it allows to write what we want in the blanks.
I will not bet we will see rachni in andromeda, at least not in the first game. But Like (vortex13 ?) said, Rachni is only the symbol of really '' exotic '' aliens. It is not the kind of aliens we will have if we rely trailers. More likely it seems to be human like (Angaran), and an other human like with proteans similarities. Wait and see.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Mar 10, 2017 3:24:59 GMT
Partially a tongue-n-cheeck thread to add to the list of all those "Is species X in Andromeda?" but also a serious speculation on whether everyone's favorite, lovable space bugs could have made the intergalactic journey much, much earlier than the Initiative. Now, what do we know about the Rachni? • They were around prior to the Prothean Empire, and survived both their former masters' and Reaper's attempts at genocide during the later years of the Prothean cycle. They are also aware of the Reaper's existence and the threat they pose.
• There is mention of Rachni activity, such as migrations and colonization happening throughout the galaxy even before the onset of the Rachni Wars in Bryson's Lab in the Leviathan DLC.
• The Rachni are natural engineers, capable of manipulating and reverse engineering advanced technology; they are even adept enough to assist scientists on the Crucible with no trouble.
• A royal egg was able to survive over two thousand years of interstellar travel after the conclusion of their invasion, and that this single specimen is perfectly capable of jumpstarting the species again.
• Rachni are naturally resilient to a wide variety of environments and capable of surviving atmospheric conditions that would kill even a Krogan in a matter of seconds all without the need for additional protection. In addition, even lowly drones and workers possess natural weapons and armor on par with modern day equivalents, and all Rachni are combat ready from the moment they hatch. With these points in mind would it be truly out of the question to assume that a Rachni colonization/migration to Andromeda could have occurred? Even if the ship used to make the trip wasn't as technologically advanced as the Initiative's craft; and the journey took two to three times longer; that would still put their arrival in the new galaxy within the timeframe of ME:Andromeda. This is a species older than even the Protheans, and one that has the absolute best track record when it comes to surviving attempted genocide; once from the Protheans, another from the Citadel races in the current cycle, and even the Reapers failed to wipe them out. Another thing to consider, the Rachni wouldn't need to send a mini-Citadel and massive arks in order to ensure a stable population, nor would they need to worry about a complex system to keep the population in cryo-sleep prior to arriving. A small, fast vessel with a crew complement as small as a single a single royal egg could easily make the trip if needed and would have the same, if not more, logistical advantages over the Initiative's attempt. What's more, the Rachni wouldn't need to rely on a small selection of "golden worlds" as viable colonies, and could easily go to ground with literally nothing and still have the means to create a place to live, defend themselves, and thrive on a myriad of different planets. Once the queen has hatched, and has established a colony for herself, you could easily see a Rachni population capable of galactic level deployment within as little as two years, even less time if the queen decides to hatch daughters and have these secondary queens establish their own colonies. Once the basic colonies have been established, moving on to other worlds would be simple as utilizing the racial memories innate in all Queens to start construction of space craft and/or making use of existing species' tech to reverse engineer their own vessels and structures. Aside from their own affinities, I would be shocked if the founders of the Andromeda Initiative didn't consider securing the space bugs in question for their own use in colonizing the Helius Custer. Seriously, if I had access to the Peak 15 research data on the Rachni contained there; which is widely know to all the council members; the first thing I would do when planning an intergalactic voyage is commission the Salarians to clone a new queen and maintain a small Rachni population on hand as a zero cost colonization and guerrilla force for my Initiative. All those blood and tissue samples on Noveria... it would be child's play for the Salarians to clone the queen; we are talking about a species that was able to clone dinosaur war mounts for the Krogan to ride based off a 2,000 year old fossilized skull after all. Lets bring the rachni to andromeda is right up there with lets detonate a massive nuke on illium for fun. The races of the milky way had a massive war with the rachni and even uplifted the krogan to deal with them which lead to the krogan genophage. So no, I doubt they'd want to bring that ticking time bomb to andromeda.
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Post by Vortex13 on Mar 10, 2017 3:52:36 GMT
I would assume that the Rachni would be going to Andromeda for the same (secret) reason the Initiative does: to escape the Reapers. Being able to colonized a vast array of worlds won't matter much if the metal-Cuthulus come in and wipe you out. Actually it would. Because the Reapers literally trap their victims to only 1% of the galaxy via reliance on relays. Which means if the Rachni were to spread to the other 99% via reliable long-range FTL (or even giving zero fucks about travelling for thousands of years as you've pointed out) they could potentially never be found. Space is really, really, really big The Reapers and the Relay network don't bar anyone from exploring the galaxy, that restriction was enacted by the Council after the Rachni Wars. The fact that less than 1% of the Milky Way is explored is more to do with the current galactic government's isolationist policies than anything to do with Reapers' plan. Even then, just because the majority of the known galaxy is under explored doesn't mean that the Reapers ignore the other 99% of it just because the current cycle hasn't explored it yet. You also have to consider that the numerous cycles in the galaxy have each discovered and colonized different portions of the galaxy and that the Reapers wiped each of them out in turn. It's a systematic extermination of all advanced life in the galaxy, the Reapers aren't going to skip over a highly technological society just because they haven't discovered the Citadel. As far as why the Rachni would have a desire to travel to Andromeda I have a personal theory for that. Like you mentioned earlier, the Rachni present during the time of the Prothean cycle were more than likely on the cusp of sentience, they were smart enough to engage the Prothean empire in their little "rebellion" but perhaps they couldn't quantify the extent of the other's attempts at genocide. Flash forward to the Reaper invasion, this young species might not be able to understand the implications of this event, but it would be very likely that the Rachni present during that time would be able to associate these metal monsters with death for everything. This primordial fear would certainly make an impression on the species as a whole, especially since all queens of the Rachni share an innate racial memory passed down from queen to queen. Now move forward in time to the intervening period between the Prothean cycle and the current one, say about 5,000 years prior to the onset of the Rachni Wars, the Rachni have advanced and developed as a species, reaching full fledged sentience. The various hives are all interested in expanding and securing their holdings, but for a select few; maybe there is a few queens present that are direct descendants of the Rachni from the Prothean cycle. These hives are concerned with this nameless fear that consumed everything they knew. The majority of the other hives don't think that such a baseless dread holds any concern for their agendas and ignore it, but maybe this small group decided to make an attempt at leaving the Milky Way. This colonization effort is under taken, and the rest of the Rachni carry on with their lives. A short time later the Rachni in the galaxy discover the Levaithan artifacts and become enthralled, thus setting up the events lead up to the trilogy. The queen we meet in ME 1 would be an offspring of the Rachni that chose to remain in the Milky Way, so she wouldn't be aware of the plan to leave, so there wouldn't be any plot holes concerning her knowledge of events.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 10, 2017 4:52:47 GMT
The Reapers and the Relay network don't bar anyone from exploring the galaxy, that restriction was enacted by the Council after the Rachni Wars. The fact that less than 1% of the Milky Way is explored is more to do with the current galactic government's isolationist policies than anything to do with Reapers' plan. Even then, just because the majority of the known galaxy is under explored doesn't mean that the Reapers ignore the other 99% of it just because the current cycle hasn't explored it yet. You also have to consider that the numerous cycles in the galaxy have each discovered and colonized different portions of the galaxy and that the Reapers wiped each of them out in turn. It's a systematic extermination of all advanced life in the galaxy, the Reapers aren't going to skip over a highly technological society just because they haven't discovered the Citadel. As far as why the Rachni would have a desire to travel to Andromeda I have a personal theory for that. Like you mentioned earlier, the Rachni present during the time of the Prothean cycle were more than likely on the cusp of sentience, they were smart enough to engage the Prothean empire in their little "rebellion" but perhaps they couldn't quantify the extent of the other's attempts at genocide. Flash forward to the Reaper invasion, this young species might not be able to understand the implications of this event, but it would be very likely that the Rachni present during that time would be able to associate these metal monsters with death for everything. This primordial fear would certainly make an impression on the species as a whole, especially since all queens of the Rachni share an innate racial memory passed down from queen to queen. Now move forward in time to the intervening period between the Prothean cycle and the current one, say about 5,000 years prior to the onset of the Rachni Wars, the Rachni have advanced and developed as a species, reaching full fledged sentience. The various hives are all interested in expanding and securing their holdings, but for a select few; maybe there is a few queens present that are direct descendants of the Rachni from the Prothean cycle. These hives are concerned with this nameless fear that consumed everything they knew. The majority of the other hives don't think that such a baseless dread holds any concern for their agendas and ignore it, but maybe this small group decided to make an attempt at leaving the Milky Way. This colonization effort is under taken, and the rest of the Rachni carry on with their lives. A short time later the Rachni in the galaxy discover the Levaithan artifacts and become enthralled, thus setting up the events lead up to the trilogy. The queen we meet in ME 1 would be an offspring of the Rachni that chose to remain in the Milky Way, so she wouldn't be aware of the plan to leave, so there wouldn't be any plot holes concerning her knowledge of events. The 1% is very much tied to the relays. "You develop along the paths we desire" and all that. Using the relays means no one bothers developing better FTL which means the Reapers significantly narrow down how and where harvestable civilizations spread. As for the Council, no one ever said "thou shalt not FTL in some random direction", their ruling only dealt with activating dormant relays which were unknown. They would never be able to police flying in practically an infinite number of directions. Same goes for the Reapers (only obviously for different reasons), hence the "trap". Otherwise to your theory, can the rachni feel fear? Usually the opposite is assumed/applied to an insectoid species. Regardless, I still think going off the beaten path in the MW is a much more effective and practical way of hiding than traveling to a whole other galaxy. Logically, from a high-survivability perspective like the rachni's anyway. Humanoids aboard the AI may come to a different conclusion based more on fear, individual concern, ability to argue amongst themselves and the existence of some sort of deep space exploration initiative that already exists and merely gets converted to an exodus in the face of the oncoming thread. My theory if we're going extragalactic is some other long forgotten race passed through the MW and had pre-sentient Rachni aboard their ships, either as collected life forms (thinking here of a collector type group or entity like in Marvel or DC) or perhaps even as pests. One of these ships crashed on a planet (perhaps ancient Suen) and the rachni survived while the other life forms did not. They adapted and evolved and eventually became what we know them to be today. And in Andromeda (perhaps their point of origin, perhaps not) we meet their divergent cousins who may or may not be the same.
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Post by Vortex13 on Mar 10, 2017 14:47:11 GMT
The Reapers and the Relay network don't bar anyone from exploring the galaxy, that restriction was enacted by the Council after the Rachni Wars. The fact that less than 1% of the Milky Way is explored is more to do with the current galactic government's isolationist policies than anything to do with Reapers' plan. Even then, just because the majority of the known galaxy is under explored doesn't mean that the Reapers ignore the other 99% of it just because the current cycle hasn't explored it yet. You also have to consider that the numerous cycles in the galaxy have each discovered and colonized different portions of the galaxy and that the Reapers wiped each of them out in turn. It's a systematic extermination of all advanced life in the galaxy, the Reapers aren't going to skip over a highly technological society just because they haven't discovered the Citadel. As far as why the Rachni would have a desire to travel to Andromeda I have a personal theory for that. Like you mentioned earlier, the Rachni present during the time of the Prothean cycle were more than likely on the cusp of sentience, they were smart enough to engage the Prothean empire in their little "rebellion" but perhaps they couldn't quantify the extent of the other's attempts at genocide. Flash forward to the Reaper invasion, this young species might not be able to understand the implications of this event, but it would be very likely that the Rachni present during that time would be able to associate these metal monsters with death for everything. This primordial fear would certainly make an impression on the species as a whole, especially since all queens of the Rachni share an innate racial memory passed down from queen to queen. Now move forward in time to the intervening period between the Prothean cycle and the current one, say about 5,000 years prior to the onset of the Rachni Wars, the Rachni have advanced and developed as a species, reaching full fledged sentience. The various hives are all interested in expanding and securing their holdings, but for a select few; maybe there is a few queens present that are direct descendants of the Rachni from the Prothean cycle. These hives are concerned with this nameless fear that consumed everything they knew. The majority of the other hives don't think that such a baseless dread holds any concern for their agendas and ignore it, but maybe this small group decided to make an attempt at leaving the Milky Way. This colonization effort is under taken, and the rest of the Rachni carry on with their lives. A short time later the Rachni in the galaxy discover the Levaithan artifacts and become enthralled, thus setting up the events lead up to the trilogy. The queen we meet in ME 1 would be an offspring of the Rachni that chose to remain in the Milky Way, so she wouldn't be aware of the plan to leave, so there wouldn't be any plot holes concerning her knowledge of events. The 1% is very much tied to the relays. "You develop along the paths we desire" and all that. Using the relays means no one bothers developing better FTL which means the Reapers significantly narrow down how and where harvestable civilizations spread. As for the Council, no one ever said "thou shalt not FTL in some random direction", their ruling only dealt with activating dormant relays which were unknown. They would never be able to police flying in practically an infinite number of directions. Same goes for the Reapers (only obviously for different reasons), hence the "trap". Otherwise to your theory, can the rachni feel fear? Usually the opposite is assumed/applied to an insectoid species. Regardless, I still think going off the beaten path in the MW is a much more effective and practical way of hiding than traveling to a whole other galaxy. Logically, from a high-survivability perspective like the rachni's anyway. Humanoids aboard the AI may come to a different conclusion based more on fear, individual concern, ability to argue amongst themselves and the existence of some sort of deep space exploration initiative that already exists and merely gets converted to an exodus in the face of the oncoming thread. My theory if we're going extragalactic is some other long forgotten race passed through the MW and had pre-sentient Rachni aboard their ships, either as collected life forms (thinking here of a collector type group or entity like in Marvel or DC) or perhaps even as pests. One of these ships crashed on a planet (perhaps ancient Suen) and the rachni survived while the other life forms did not. They adapted and evolved and eventually became what we know them to be today. And in Andromeda (perhaps their point of origin, perhaps not) we meet their divergent cousins who may or may not be the same. But consider how much more of the Milky Way would have been explored if that restriction hadn't been enacted by the Council concerning the relays. As much as it pains me to use as an example just look at the ending to ME 3, the network is spread out across the entirety of the galactic disk. A good portion of the reason why the galaxy is under explored has more to do with the actions of the Council, post-Rachni Wars, than the Reapers' machinations I feel. As for the Rachni's ability to feel and express emotions they have a definite capacity for them; just muted and not at a direct 1:1 comparison with humans, and human-like aliens. The queen we meet on Noveria is able to express sadness over the insanity of her children and how euthanizing them would be a mercy. Again in ME 3 (if the player spared the queen) she makes another mention at how tortured the converted Rachni are, likening their horrible existence almost to "I have no mouth and I must scream" scenario. Indeed the whole fact that the "soothing songs" of the Rachni queens is needed in order to foster mental development of their young would point to a degree of social interaction beyond just mindless drones serving the cold, heartless hive mind. The queen is able to express anger and defiance when Shepard decides to kill her on Noveria, struggling to escape containment, but she is also able to express gratitude if the player spares her, promising to help in the coming war. And in regards to that last point, why would the queen be so adamant about building up an army to combat the Reapers if she could have just run? I mean sure, you could say the Rachni are a very honorable species, one that keeps their promises of aid (looking at you Wrex), but if the queen was just saying all that stuff to save her exoskeleton at Peak 15 why didn't she just run and hide away on some secluded world and wait out the coming apocalypse? Likewise, why didn't the queen flee to parts unknown after being freed in ME 3 (if Shepard spared her in ME 1) and instead immediately jumped to work, directing her children to help with the Crucible? Loyalty will only go so far when the survival of your very species is concerned; I mean just look at Shepard's (potential) betrayal of the Krogan or Quarians/Geth; the queen would have no real binding alliance with the rest of the galaxy, especially considering the Rachni's robust physiology and penchant for surviving attempted genocides, so why the push to help? Could it be that even with their unique traits the Queen felt that fighting was the only way to survive? Out of all the known species present in the galaxy at the time, the Rachni might have the best chance at surviving by hiding out, but that is only that, a chance. There is no guarantee that they would be able to escape the notice of the Reaper armada a second time. So with that in mind, I don't think it would be as far fetched to assume that maybe one of the hives, back before the Rachni Wars, could have decided that the primitive fear their ancestors felt justified their attempt to flee the galaxy in order to preserve the species. It wouldn't be anything noteworthy to the species at the time either, just a ship or two, sent off into the intergalactic void in the off chance that some primordial boogyman did in fact exist. For your theory about an extra-galactic species bringing primitive Rachni to the Milky Way from Andromeda, I guess I could buy it, though that would beg the question as to what happened to them. If we are looking at an advanced Type III civilization, where trips to and from different galaxies is routine, why hasn't anyone seen anything about them? Surely the Reapers would have had something to say about a species as advanced, or perhaps even more advanced then them just waltzing into their territory.
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Post by Vortex13 on Mar 10, 2017 15:21:55 GMT
Aside from their own affinities, I would be shocked if the founders of the Andromeda Initiative didn't consider securing the space bugs in question for their own use in colonizing the Helius Custer. Seriously, if I had access to the Peak 15 research data on the Rachni contained there; which is widely know to all the council members; the first thing I would do when planning an intergalactic voyage is commission the Salarians to clone a new queen and maintain a small Rachni population on hand as a zero cost colonization and guerrilla force for my Initiative. All those blood and tissue samples on Noveria... it would be child's play for the Salarians to clone the queen; we are talking about a species that was able to clone dinosaur war mounts for the Krogan to ride based off a 2,000 year old fossilized skull after all. Lets bring the rachni to andromeda is right up there with lets detonate a massive nuke on illium for fun. The races of the milky way had a massive war with the rachni and even uplifted the krogan to deal with them which lead to the krogan genophage. So no, I doubt they'd want to bring that ticking time bomb to andromeda. I never said that the Andromeda Initiative would offer a formal invitation to the Rachni to join their little voyage, just that it would be rather foolish; especially if one can see the species' hardiness from Peak 15 data and the like; to not want to bring something that versatile to help with colonization efforts. The cloned Rachni wouldn't be a member of the multi-species crew, they would be tools; a perfect, zero-cost supply of labor and (if need be) guerrilla warfare. Just take a handful of Rachni drones and solders; you can even keep them separated from the queen and render them insane to prevent any general coordinated efforts at escape to a minimum. No need to feed or care for these newborns, just send them down to a prospective planet moments after hatching and wait. After about a week you should be seeing the beginning of a proto-hive being dug out; the perfect foundation for a colony; and the worker caste should have already started to forage out for food with the solider caste attacking any hostile organisms that would threaten the collective. This would allow scientists and civil engineers to observe the viability of a world, and how dangerous it might be, all from the safety of orbit, and without having to put their own people at risk. As an added insurance policy, you could task the Salarians, and other geneticists, to code in deficiencies into the hatched Rachni's DNA; a genetic "kill-switch" if you will; that will ensure that the bugs you sent down to the planet would die off after about a week or so. A perfect, near self sustaining labor and military force, one that you don't have to supply with any sort of food or water, and that you don't have to equip with valuable protective gear. How is that not an ingenious solution for a colonization effort with a tight budget on both manpower and finite resources? And as an added benefit, you could get quite a compelling side narrative out of exploring the moral implications of this, as well as touch on subjects like the Salarians genetically tampering with other species without retreading the same old, boring Genophage argument again.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 10, 2017 18:19:16 GMT
But consider how much more of the Milky Way would have been explored if that restriction hadn't been enacted by the Council concerning the relays. As much as it pains me to use as an example just look at the ending to ME 3, the network is spread out across the entirety of the galactic disk. A good portion of the reason why the galaxy is under explored has more to do with the actions of the Council, post-Rachni Wars, than the Reapers' machinations I feel. As for the Rachni's ability to feel and express emotions they have a definite capacity for them; just muted and not at a direct 1:1 comparison with humans, and human-like aliens. The queen we meet on Noveria is able to express sadness over the insanity of her children and how euthanizing them would be a mercy. Again in ME 3 (if the player spared the queen) she makes another mention at how tortured the converted Rachni are, likening their horrible existence almost to "I have no mouth and I must scream" scenario. Indeed the whole fact that the "soothing songs" of the Rachni queens is needed in order to foster mental development of their young would point to a degree of social interaction beyond just mindless drones serving the cold, heartless hive mind. The queen is able to express anger and defiance when Shepard decides to kill her on Noveria, struggling to escape containment, but she is also able to express gratitude if the player spares her, promising to help in the coming war. And in regards to that last point, why would the queen be so adamant about building up an army to combat the Reapers if she could have just run? I mean sure, you could say the Rachni are a very honorable species, one that keeps their promises of aid (looking at you Wrex), but if the queen was just saying all that stuff to save her exoskeleton at Peak 15 why didn't she just run and hide away on some secluded world and wait out the coming apocalypse? Likewise, why didn't the queen flee to parts unknown after being freed in ME 3 (if Shepard spared her in ME 1) and instead immediately jumped to work, directing her children to help with the Crucible? Loyalty will only go so far when the survival of your very species is concerned; I mean just look at Shepard's (potential) betrayal of the Krogan or Quarians/Geth; the queen would have no real binding alliance with the rest of the galaxy, especially considering the Rachni's robust physiology and penchant for surviving attempted genocides, so why the push to help? Could it be that even with their unique traits the Queen felt that fighting was the only way to survive? Out of all the known species present in the galaxy at the time, the Rachni might have the best chance at surviving by hiding out, but that is only that, a chance. There is no guarantee that they would be able to escape the notice of the Reaper armada a second time. So with that in mind, I don't think it would be as far fetched to assume that maybe one of the hives, back before the Rachni Wars, could have decided that the primitive fear their ancestors felt justified their attempt to flee the galaxy in order to preserve the species. It wouldn't be anything noteworthy to the species at the time either, just a ship or two, sent off into the intergalactic void in the off chance that some primordial boogyman did in fact exist. For your theory about an extra-galactic species bringing primitive Rachni to the Milky Way from Andromeda, I guess I could buy it, though that would beg the question as to what happened to them. If we are looking at an advanced Type III civilization, where trips to and from different galaxies is routine, why hasn't anyone seen anything about them? Surely the Reapers would have had something to say about a species as advanced, or perhaps even more advanced then them just waltzing into their territory. The relays are spread out all over the disk in the galaxy map as well. Doesn't mean most of the space in between them isn't unexplored. While there may be some relays the Council has prevented people from opening, Council space isn't even the largest teritory on the map. The Terminus beats it out I think and they have no power over there. It's clear the rachni have emotions but I was talking about fear specificially, since the point was "the Reapers are coming back, need to GTFO". I suppose it doesn't matter, the desire to survive and more importantly preserve one's species will do just as well (though only in the face of a real thread, not unspecific "boogeymen"). So to the question of why fight instead of hide, perhaps because there exists a belief we can win? Despite the queen's promise of help when the time comes I don't believe her actions after Peak 15 are conclusively on the side of fighting. She goes to hide and build up, instead of staying to help prepare together. Yes there'd be a threat from the Council races if she remained out in the open but she could've remained closer and in touch with Shepard only if she was 100% ready to fight. But here I think the queen kept her options open. Build up in a secluded location to be ready to fight if need be but if not, that's just peachy too. As for ME3, the queen obviously didn't run/hide far enough and now the Reapers are here, everywhere. Flight would actually be the riskier option here. She'd need to secure or build a craft on her own and both sides of the war would shoot her on sight. There really isn't much option. As for my theory, as I said I like the idea of them simply passing through, so we don't have to deal with another ancient race. And the Reapers might not even know about them given the majority of their time is actually spent in hibernation.
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