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Post by Vortex13 on Mar 6, 2017 20:10:14 GMT
Partially a tongue-n-cheeck thread to add to the list of all those "Is species X in Andromeda?" but also a serious speculation on whether everyone's favorite, lovable space bugs could have made the intergalactic journey much, much earlier than the Initiative.
Now, what do we know about the Rachni?
• They were around prior to the Prothean Empire, and survived both their former masters' and Reaper's attempts at genocide during the later years of the Prothean cycle. They are also aware of the Reaper's existence and the threat they pose.
• There is mention of Rachni activity, such as migrations and colonization happening throughout the galaxy even before the onset of the Rachni Wars in Bryson's Lab in the Leviathan DLC.
• The Rachni are natural engineers, capable of manipulating and reverse engineering advanced technology; they are even adept enough to assist scientists on the Crucible with no trouble.
• A royal egg was able to survive over two thousand years of interstellar travel after the conclusion of their invasion, and that this single specimen is perfectly capable of jumpstarting the species again.
• Rachni are naturally resilient to a wide variety of environments and capable of surviving atmospheric conditions that would kill even a Krogan in a matter of seconds all without the need for additional protection. In addition, even lowly drones and workers possess natural weapons and armor on par with modern day equivalents, and all Rachni are combat ready from the moment they hatch.
With these points in mind would it be truly out of the question to assume that a Rachni colonization/migration to Andromeda could have occurred? Even if the ship used to make the trip wasn't as technologically advanced as the Initiative's craft; and the journey took two to three times longer; that would still put their arrival in the new galaxy within the timeframe of ME:Andromeda. This is a species older than even the Protheans, and one that has the absolute best track record when it comes to surviving attempted genocide; once from the Protheans, another from the Citadel races in the current cycle, and even the Reapers failed to wipe them out.
Another thing to consider, the Rachni wouldn't need to send a mini-Citadel and massive arks in order to ensure a stable population, nor would they need to worry about a complex system to keep the population in cryo-sleep prior to arriving. A small, fast vessel with a crew complement as small as a single a single royal egg could easily make the trip if needed and would have the same, if not more, logistical advantages over the Initiative's attempt.
What's more, the Rachni wouldn't need to rely on a small selection of "golden worlds" as viable colonies, and could easily go to ground with literally nothing and still have the means to create a place to live, defend themselves, and thrive on a myriad of different planets. Once the queen has hatched, and has established a colony for herself, you could easily see a Rachni population capable of galactic level deployment within as little as two years, even less time if the queen decides to hatch daughters and have these secondary queens establish their own colonies. Once the basic colonies have been established, moving on to other worlds would be simple as utilizing the racial memories innate in all Queens to start construction of space craft and/or making use of existing species' tech to reverse engineer their own vessels and structures.
Aside from their own affinities, I would be shocked if the founders of the Andromeda Initiative didn't consider securing the space bugs in question for their own use in colonizing the Helius Custer. Seriously, if I had access to the Peak 15 research data on the Rachni contained there; which is widely know to all the council members; the first thing I would do when planning an intergalactic voyage is commission the Salarians to clone a new queen and maintain a small Rachni population on hand as a zero cost colonization and guerrilla force for my Initiative. All those blood and tissue samples on Noveria... it would be child's play for the Salarians to clone the queen; we are talking about a species that was able to clone dinosaur war mounts for the Krogan to ride based off a 2,000 year old fossilized skull after all.
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Post by Sondergaard on Mar 6, 2017 20:36:36 GMT
No. The only rachni we know of were at Peak 15 which can be nuked from orbit in ME1. I assume all tissue samples were there so they can't be with the AI. As for a previous migration, it's possible but won't happen. Nobody wants to face a potential galaxy wide threat from an extinct MW species. New game, new problems.
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Post by _Wolf Rider_ on Mar 6, 2017 20:50:54 GMT
I would be more then happy to see the Rachni return, but in the end that's most likely not going to happen.
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Post by missileglitcher on Mar 6, 2017 22:15:23 GMT
it's possible. the rachni storyline was handled superbly well in the previous game, in a way that allows them to be integrated in this new game. the rachni subplot was very cleverly constructed, always remaining consistent and having a satisfying impact on the finale.
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Post by VanSinn on Mar 6, 2017 22:30:23 GMT
Nope. One queen in ME1, a brief encounter with an "ambassador" of the Rachni in ME2, we don't see anything from the Rachni in large numbers until ME3...and the AI left somewhere around the end of ME2 or between 2 and 3.
Rachni in Andromeda would be a highly unrealistic throwback to the OT that I don't want. Let's see what Andromeda holds for us, instead of trying to drag the whole bloody Milky way with us.
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Post by helios969 on Mar 6, 2017 22:31:11 GMT
Considering Shepard eradicated the last of the Rachni...no.
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Post by n7vakarian on Mar 6, 2017 22:40:29 GMT
But no they will not be in Andromeda
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Post by Beerfish on Mar 6, 2017 22:42:28 GMT
I hope not.
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Post by zaefkol on Mar 6, 2017 22:46:36 GMT
Please, no.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 6, 2017 23:15:13 GMT
I doubt it for this game.
I'm very open to the idea of it at some point.
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Post by Vortex13 on Mar 6, 2017 23:27:43 GMT
For the record, I'm not expecting to see the Rachni in ME:Andromeda either; at the very least I could see maybe a mention of them in a Codex entry in one of the later DLCs. I wouldn't mind seeing them in subsequent games though as, I have speculated, they would be the most likely species (that we know of) that could have made the trip to Andromeda based on the traits they posses.
Meta-wise at the very least I would like to see them make it to the new series of games, if only so we could have one guaranteed 'alien' alien present. I'm willing to give ME:Andromeda a shot, but from what's been revealed so far the setting is looking rather human-esque.
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Post by Dark King on Mar 6, 2017 23:38:58 GMT
As much as I would like to see the Rachni I think it would be better if they just made another species that's similar to them. I'd also like to see plantlike aliens sort of like the Thorian, but a whole civilization instead of just one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 23:45:36 GMT
Didn't you hear the geth were looking into Andromeda using ancient rachni technology? They even found some queen eggs around and decided they want to bring them to the trip. Come on Bioware, the things I'm supposed to accept.
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Post by Nihilus on Mar 6, 2017 23:47:03 GMT
it's possible. the rachni storyline was handled superbly well in the previous game, in a way that allows them to be integrated in this new game. the rachni subplot was very cleverly constructed, always remaining consistent and having a satisfying impact on the finale.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 6, 2017 23:55:44 GMT
Is there a chance? Yes.
How likely are chances? Sadly rather unlikely.
Maybe some other bug aliens.
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Post by Gray Jedi on Mar 7, 2017 1:35:22 GMT
The rachni have got about as much chance of showing up as the browns have of winning the superbowl.
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Post by Nightlife on Mar 7, 2017 2:00:31 GMT
The Queen was pretty much non existent at the end of ME3 - she might have anticipated the Reaper stuff and left the system but prolly not. I am still pissed she wasn't involved against a big Reaper or something in ME3 - what a waste of a cool character. I mean, saving her did almost squat.
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Post by Arcian on Mar 7, 2017 2:09:56 GMT
If they couldn't bother to put them into the Battle of Earth, I don't think they're going to bother putting them into the Hurrdromeda Durrnitiative.
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Post by missileglitcher on Mar 7, 2017 2:15:50 GMT
The Queen was pretty much non existent at the end of ME3 - she might have anticipated the Reaper stuff and left the system but prolly not. I am still pissed she wasn't involved against a big Reaper or something in ME3 - what a waste of a cool character. I mean, saving her did almost squat. Don't blame the queen. She really wanted to be involved against a big reaper, but some talented writer at bioware decided that the story would be better if the rachni choice was made entirely inconsequential. And so into the bin they went, never to be seen or heard from ever again...unless of course biowear decide to retcon the whole thing which we all know they love to do. Saving her did squat. Not "almost" squat, but full-fledged squat.
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Post by The Twilight God on Mar 7, 2017 2:21:19 GMT
Partially a tongue-n-cheeck thread to add to the list of all those "Is species X in Andromeda?" but also a serious speculation on whether everyone's favorite, lovable space bugs could have made the intergalactic journey much, much earlier than the Initiative. Now, what do we know about the Rachni? A particularly strong willed queen took off for Andromeda is escape the Reaper or Leviathan takeover. It's possible.
Although I wouldn't expect them in the Helius cluster. There are other star clusters. Perhaps in a future title in a different region of Andromeda. And they could be well established to the point where they have colonized worlds, travel in ships, have unique tech and diplomatic relations with other races. They'd be another government like the Salarians or Asari were in the Milky Way. As opposed to just being monsters who burrow in cave systems.
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Post by bshep on Mar 7, 2017 2:27:50 GMT
Anything is possible (or so said the devs) but for now i don't think we are going to see them anytime soon.
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Post by brunobyof on Mar 7, 2017 2:45:40 GMT
It's more probable if we get to see the Qunari on the game
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Post by eternalgoddess on Mar 7, 2017 10:46:38 GMT
As much I would to see the Rachni I doubt it. Maybe we see something similar to them on Habitat 3 the jungle golden world.
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 7, 2017 11:15:38 GMT
Dude, seriously, let it go already. I respect your analysis abilities, but this attachment to rachni nullifies it completely. Rachni can be destroyed in ME1, that's it, end of story. it's possible. the rachni storyline was handled superbly well in the previous game, in a way that allows them to be integrated in this new game. the rachni subplot was very cleverly constructed, always remaining consistent and having a satisfying impact on the finale. I like your sarcasm game.
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