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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 9, 2017 2:17:24 GMT
Completely unremarkable.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 2:40:07 GMT
While previous Bioware games have had their share of jank, there was also plenty of decent animating. There was enough decent animating that Bioware didn't feature the janky bits in trailers. We had to wait till ME2 released for instance to get that meme-fuel smile from Male Shep.
In every Andromeda trailer however there have been characters with dead eyes, their lips flapping unnaturally as they speak. In trailers developers tend to off the best that a game has to offer. That likely means the terrible animating and uncanny valley we've seen isn't just limited to a few characters or scenes, but it is present throughout the entire game.
I'm skeptical of this being sorted before release. All the noise Bioware is making about this still being worked on or getting patched is damage control. Expect an extra helping of jank in Andromeda. The "decent enough" option to me at least implies quality on par with DA:I or ME3. If the trailers for ME:A is anything to go by, we're getting characters and animations that look worse than those two games.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 9, 2017 2:57:33 GMT
I voted Decent Enough. Main characters, squadmates and critical Npcs will probably for the most part be fine. Npcs might be hit or miss. Overall I don't think the game will have bad facial animations. Might just have a few hiccups here and there.
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Post by isaidlunch on Mar 9, 2017 3:05:35 GMT
I think it will be awful.
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Post by farsight on Mar 9, 2017 3:13:15 GMT
I'm a huge mass effect fan and sold on this game barring huge pc performance problems. I have to admit the animations have never been great in Bioware games and time is not being kind. Particularly the facial animation. If they are not careful they could very well end up in a Telltale/Bethesda problem where not fixing it quicker is going to bite them in the ass and needs exponentially more work later.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 9, 2017 3:19:47 GMT
I think it will be awful. You're trying really hard to trigger people with that profile pic.
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Post by alihou on Mar 9, 2017 3:38:58 GMT
Based on that nexus video, they're still bad and are still going to be. That lady Ryder was speaking to looked like she got shot with a botox cannon. Facial animations have been historically bad at Bioware, but you think they'd improve in that department after all this time?
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Post by jymm on Mar 9, 2017 3:58:34 GMT
I don't want to be just more of the same, but... yeah. Bioware's entree is characterization with a side of combat and a little story for dessert. If we're going to spend 50 hours in a game, half of it in dialog, then you would think they'd invest in this. Find one of the developers that's doing it right. Recruit one of their animators at whatever price is necessary. Adopt better methods and train your other folks. This stuff isn't easy, but if other devs have figured it out then they can to. Better inventory UI and fewer quest bugs aren't going to make or break their game, but I agree that bad facial animations hurt them in marketing and attracting sales outside their core fanbase. I'll donate $10 to the "hire an animator" fund. Who's with me?
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 9, 2017 3:59:20 GMT
Decent enough, I would have picked the don't care option but I already clicked on decent enough. I was going to say I hope they are good enough to make the internet shutup about them but then I remembered this is the internet. It is never happy about anything and it never shuts up about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 7:14:47 GMT
Probably subpar.
I expected this, but apparently everyone else forgot about all the other Bioware games.
I'm not saying it's bad to be disappointed in the quality of the animations, but... I dunno, too many people use it as undeniable evidence that the game is bad. I hate that. It's so stupid, and you know for a fact those same people let it slide with other games (because more games have bad facial animations than good ones).
Especially YouTube comments. God, those make me wanna die. So many angry nerds who have the most shallow criteria for something to be enjoyable.
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Post by jasonpogo on Mar 10, 2017 17:15:02 GMT
Ok I have to say this is bothering me. In all the videos so far when any NPC talks their mouth comes off their face and sticks out like a fish. It looks terrible.
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Post by Arcian on Mar 10, 2017 18:32:50 GMT
I honestly think it might be worse than ME1's.
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Post by Wulfram on Mar 10, 2017 18:54:54 GMT
Yeah, there's definitely something wrong with it. The way they animate some phonemes is just weirdly exaggerated. I really don't get why that's happened.
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Post by empirex on Mar 10, 2017 18:58:40 GMT
It is sad because I don't recall being distracted by the lip syncing in Inquisition. You would think the basics would have carried over.
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Post by Wolfwhistler on Mar 10, 2017 18:59:51 GMT
I'm normally not bothered by lip syncing, But I have noticed it more than ever.
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Post by ledg on Mar 10, 2017 19:00:29 GMT
And those dead eyes on most of them. And the lips on the last guy were so big.
Hope this is not the final build. Hoping it's the same the previewers played a couple of weeks ago.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 10, 2017 19:01:09 GMT
I'd blame the engine except DAI didn't have the problem.
Come to think of it, duck face was a problem in the trilogy. Maybe it's just the ME team.
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Post by Blackheart on Mar 10, 2017 19:03:03 GMT
I didn't mind "bad" animations at first when people were flipping out over Sara and other stuff. But now, after so many videos I'm starting to get bothered with animations. They seriously are worse than in trilogy. Krogans and Turians seems to be cool, but humans are just horrible. Their words don't match with their expressions.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 10, 2017 19:17:03 GMT
I didn't mind "bad" animations at first when people were flipping out over Sara and other stuff. But now, after so many videos I'm starting to get bothered with animations. They seriously are worse than in trilogy. Krogans and Turians seems to be cool, but humans are just horrible. Their words don't match with their expressions. I think it may be is a lip-sync to audio issue. Time lag via internet protocol may be creating a lag in what we see and hear. Maybe the day 1 patch is to fix that -don't know about that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 19:18:31 GMT
The patch is going to fix it.
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Post by malakizedek on Mar 10, 2017 19:59:34 GMT
I used to think it was just the mouths that looked atrocious... then I noticed that the eyes are all wonky, too - they act like chameleon eyes, darting every which way. Bizarre. Attachment Deleted
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Post by colfoley on Mar 10, 2017 20:02:06 GMT
The facial animation in the tour the tempest trailer looked very good.
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Post by malakizedek on Mar 10, 2017 20:04:11 GMT
Watch that clip of PeeBee speaking and try to convince me that's an example of good or even decent facial animations. They're GARBAGE. Watch her eyes!
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Post by sosolaris on Mar 10, 2017 20:11:02 GMT
The patch is going to fix it. We'll see.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 20:12:42 GMT
The patch is going to fix it. We'll see. That's what they said lol I honestly couldn't give a damn about any of that stuff.
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